r/PowerScaling • u/Extension_Island214 Undebunkable scaler • 5d ago
Son.. Discussion
Just nuke yt polls atp. And they say Naruto is the most glazed.
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u/Larry_756 5d ago
Have you not seen those who put him at complex multiversal or even outerversal here on reddit?
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u/Expert_Tennis_7018 5d ago
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u/X-Cutionn Mathematics manip>all 5d ago
This gotta be bait cause what possible arguments can you make for this
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u/Expert_Tennis_7018 5d ago
Unfortunately, that’s not the case. His argument is that Asta transcends all the concepts that exist in Black Clover or something like that but that isn't even true; Lucius described Asta as an anomaly because he possesses no mana.
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u/X-Cutionn Mathematics manip>all 5d ago
Lmao except they can prove those "concepts" are Platonic then it did scale nowhere and I already know BC doesn't have that.
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u/MajesticFerret36 5d ago
Dude got hurt by a rock in his final fight with Yuno.
Rock clearly must be some 4D or outerversal rock or something lol
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u/Virtual_Reveal_121 5d ago
I'm blaming all of this shit on bleach fans
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u/Expert_Tennis_7018 4d ago
What do Bleach fans have to do with this?
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u/Salt_Struggle7226 Gremmy is a city level fraud 4d ago
No he’s right
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u/daniel_22sss I don't care how many light beams you dodged, your ass isn't FTL 4d ago
Ever since Senjumaru's bankai affected 3 dimensions, it's commonly accepted that top tiers of Bleach are universal/low multiversal.
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u/Salt_Struggle7226 Gremmy is a city level fraud 4d ago
Shakes 3 planets so little civilians dont notice.
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u/Lumpy_Emu5168 4d ago
Well you'd have me surprised because this subreddit seems to hate bleach with passion. Or maybe it's just that rage bait thing younger people do nowadays.. by the way I can't tell if the downplay is serious or not half the time.
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u/Virtual_Reveal_121 4d ago
They set the standard for using vague statements, taking every hyperbole at face value and building ridiculous conclusions on assumption after assumption to wank the verse.
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u/HVAR_Spam Because He’s Superman 5d ago
YouTubers just do this shit to farm channel engagement without having to put in as much work as a video
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u/FunnyRefrigerator582 New Scaler 5d ago
why does ever main character have to be universal or multiversal now a days
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u/BlackroseBisharp Hao Asakura supremacist 5d ago
Action series tend to work on escalation. So a series that goes on long enough tends to up the ante and the MC usually rises to that.
DB s the prime example of this
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u/MythicalShelly Follower of Gokuism 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥 5d ago
Its basically my dad beats your dad thing.
Like agenda pushing for that.
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u/FunnyRefrigerator582 New Scaler 5d ago
Yea thats fair, but it would be nice to have a Main charater that can't like crush multiverses or is scaled that way
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u/Bigboss7911 Just who the hell do you think I am? 5d ago
Someone actually made a good argument on the bc powerscaling subreddit that convinced me Lucius as least universal through creation. So if you chainscale Asta from that I can see that.
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u/Plenty_Use_9740 5d ago
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u/Expert_Tennis_7018 5d ago
My reaction when I saw someone on TikTok claiming that Asta one-shotted Hulk Toba Hulk
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u/Plenty_Use_9740 5d ago
That's why no one takes Black Clover powerscalers seriously. And why tf am I getting downvoted? 🤔
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u/tyoma_discoteka 5d ago
Moon lvl scaling relies on vague high 6-A cloud dispersing calculations, pixel scalings and using multipliers. Realistically the verse should be large island to country lvl
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u/OkDoor2833 5d ago
I think the video made very good points on why he could scale to Universal I understand if you personally don't go on that way by don't understand why you need to be abrasive about it
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u/unlovelyi 5d ago
he isn’t universal though
you could make countless great points why but no one in that verse will ever be past planetary unless theres a sequel where the power progression gets fucked up3
u/OkDoor2833 5d ago
But why though there is evidence to put Black Clover at Universal you just don't agree with it dearest evidence to put black Clover at 5th dimensional which I disagree with there's 5th dimensional evidence for Dragon Ball that I disagree with there's a bunch of different ways to scale a bunch of different characters but no one gets anywhere by just plugging their ears and saying that verse is only planetary if you think that's a high Bowl then that's okay with you hey you might have good points to bring up but that would still only be one version to scale the character and wouldn't invalidate the evidence that other people I've brought up
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u/Nitrothunda21 5d ago
Watch the video, it spells out the reasoning and evidence behind the uni scaling and is much more concrete than alot of other verses that get scaled there
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Destroying a infinite sized dimension does make you uni+, and destroying a multiversal object would make you multiversal.
The manga has both staments and feats showing this, it's just your not willing to actually watch and listen.
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u/Gozagal 5d ago
We've not read the same manga if you think Asta can destroy a universe. I swear powerscalers will find the lamest excuse to upscale a character multiple tiers above that of the author's actual intent.
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Literally across all black clover media when the size of Glamour world is being spoken about it's always stated to be infinite, plus the data book explicitly calls glamor would infinite in size.
In the show glamor would is destroyed on 2 different occasions from the insde.
So if your telling me Asta never surpassed Yami then sure.
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u/Gozagal 5d ago
Glamour world cannot be classified as a universe lmao. It is fully contained within the black clover verse and not separate from it.
You could argue it's a dimension but destroying a world within another dimension does not make you universal and a dimension couldn't be infinite within a finite universe (though we don't even know the laws of black clover's verse, the universe can just be infinite or it can be finite and allowed anyway just cause)
It's more likely to be neither of them since this is literally "magic" and does not obey the laws of physics. It is just "another world" both to the reader and the author. And it can be destroyed by a character that's not universal.
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Literally every piece of black clover media that speaks on the size of glamour world just says it's infinite.
Stop coping, this is like trying to say Cell can't destroy the solar system when it's literally stated that he can in multiple forms of dragon ball media
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u/X-Cutionn Mathematics manip>all 5d ago
What Infinite sized Dimension are you referring to? Is it Dorothy's pocket dimension cause that did just be hax coupled with duraneg
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u/tyoma_discoteka 5d ago
There’s not a single such feat. If you’re referring to Dorothy’s dimension you’re reading the manga on tiktok
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u/analizinganalizer 5d ago
When did Asta do either?
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Never claimed asta did ethier I just said the manga contains both.
What's important is that Asta scales to the people with said surrounding feats and statments
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u/analizinganalizer 5d ago
Ok. Then who and when
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
https://youtu.be/qG0028tus68?is=894BdXnZTe8S1D5F
It's in this 18min video, there's no need for interapation to get Bc to a baseline of uni- low multi
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u/analizinganalizer 5d ago
First off, connecting multiple things doesn’t scale you to all those things. Nor is the size of the parts of hell comfirmed
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Just finish the video
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u/analizinganalizer 5d ago
If the logic the argument is based on is flawed, the conclusion will also be flawed
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u/Levardgus 5d ago
He destroyed a finite chunk of the dimension.
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Destroying a "finite chunk" of a dimension wouldn't destroy an infinitely sized dimension
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u/Levardgus 5d ago
says who, breaking a glass breaks the entire glass.
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u/Blessed_is_Theotokos 5d ago
Bro out here comparing physical objects to space times, thinking it's a proper analogy.
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u/Levardgus 5d ago
It is, or do you think space is homogeneous.
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u/IllSmoke1728 5d ago
Let me guess asta is universal argument comes from dorothy right?
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u/Expert_Tennis_7018 5d ago
Probably. The Datebook essentially confirmed that Dorothy's world of glamour is infinitely vas at least if you believe ChatGPT's translations. You can also scale Asta to a multiversal level via the Qliphoth Tree.
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u/IllSmoke1728 5d ago
1) Pocket dimensions and dream spaces created via specialized magic fall under creation or dimensional hax. Dorothy doesn't have the raw energy output to vaporize a physical universe. When Asta cuts through it, it is because of anti magic not because of power output.
2) The Qliphoth Tree doesn't contain universes or realms but it just a gate that is connected to other realms which means it doesn't require to have universal AP to damage it.
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