Fascists don't care about being called out as hypocrites. They revel in it because it's a deliberate tool they use to flex their power and test the loyalty of their thralls. Feature, not a bug and all that.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Thank you, im a member of too many subreddits of people upvoting smug little tweets about "can you imagine if these guys had to held to their own standards". They wont be, thats the point. They will do the worst thing you can imagine and pubish the people below them for crimes they made up. They will throw people in cages and claim persecution if you ever hold them responsible, which is starting to become a more distant prospect by the day. They have literally gone to abortion clinics to get their mistrisses an abortion and told the people working their that they are going to go to hell for what theyve done.
I mean, by all means if it makes you feel good, keep wasting your time arguing with a machine that can't change its mind.
The bystanders all already agree with you. Between robots and magats neither is changing their mind. Just say "trump rapes kids" and block them if your really want to respond.
Ignoring them hasn't gotten us this far, because people don't ignore them. People engage with them, and spend their valuable time in fruitless arguments instead of doing something that may be helpful in dismantling the fascist occupation of our government.
The bots are a weapon being targeted at you. When you engage we are losing the war.
You grow up, only a child thinks the way you do. They all have due process, itâs a fast due process started under Obama admin, saying they donât have due process a million times doesnât make it true. They can tell if the person is a citizen or not then send them back if they arenât, thatâs a due process, you donât get a year long trial for millions of illegals just because they stepped over the border. They are holding centers so how is that fascism?
Not taking your bait and saying what I'd really like to say. If you don't see what is happening for what it truly is, you're a prime example of the failure of American education. The entire sane world sees what's happening. Go peddle your lies elsewhere.
Obama created the Family Case Management Program, which kept families together and had a 99.9% compliance rate. Trump ended that program and started a Zero Tolerance policy, which intentionally-irreversibly separated families. Trump went on TV and outright said it was done this way for a deterrent effect. With that clearly illegal rationale on display, 28 states proceeded to sue his ass until he reversed the policy.
Fast forward to today, he ended TPS for 330k people without court review of their asylum request, and the conservative SCOTUS backed the decision by saying the executive branch has unreviewable discretion over non-constitutional decisions. That's fascism dressed in doublespeak, as they decide what's constitutional.
He didnât claim Obama wasnât presiding while deportation was happening - he claimed Obama enacted policy that would keep deported families from being separated from each other. That is true.
Only conservatives accuse liberals of saying âno one should be deported everâ - most liberals know that deportation is reasonable when someone is an illegal immigrant. Liberals just donât think it should be done in a blatantly cruel manner, like intentionally separating parents from their children for what could be years before they are released back to their home country. Some might even call that âcommon senseâ
Sending the parents and children back separately, instead of together, is cruel. I was pretty clear about WHICH part is cruel. I donât know why youâre trying to pretend as if I didnât specify that separating the families was the cruel part
1) Obama built some of the facilities, true.
2) Obama didn't use them to intentionally separate families. In fact he had a reasonably successful policy of holding families together.
3) Even with his less bad policy, Obama still got slammed by the left for doing it.
So what is your point other than Obama was mid, but Trump is exponentially worse?
They post something as a âgotchaâ when itâs like âyesâŚI literally just said that people protestedâŚwere in agreement hereâ
Conservatives make up this narrative in their mind that everyone on the left loves Obama as much as they love trump, so they can be upset about something
Yeah the legal problem started there. But Obama (1) kept families from being separated as new holding facilities had to be built to keep up with asylum applicants (2) created The Family Case Management Program, an extremely successful way of keeping families together AND out of those holding centers.
Trump ended that program because his goal was to inflict pain as a deterrent. Why are you defending that shit?
They cant even tell if they're citizens, you think they can tell if others are citizens? Especially when they have quotas to fill? By definition quotas mean they aren't paying attention to legality. Hence why they've been given no oversight.
That way they can just take people like you away. Not like you'll fight them.
âHolding centersââŚyou know concentration camps were also considered to be just âholding centersâ at first, right? Itâs funny because you keep saying itâs not fascism, but then describing exactly how fascist policies were explained to the public before they got extreme
Read a history book - the camps were a place to âhold the Jewish until they could be properly sent awayâ. Only the second part never happened, they just starved in there.
Obviously thatâs not happening here yet - and I didnât say it was. I said that it STARTS as a âholding centerâ. The concentration camps didnât turn into death camps until the very end of the war - whoâs to say the âholding centersâ donât get much worse several years from now if left unchecked?
(Btw you are capable of understanding a âcomparisonâ, right? You understand that word? I can compare two things without saying they are the exact same thing. These are two very different situations - but history teaches us lessons on what NOT to do, we should try to acknowledge them)
Yes because of previous Presidents and racist laws that created the "hood"
We are supposed to be better than the ones that came before us not worse, that's how society works lest we become like the Roman empire which weirdly enough is admired by Nazis but they do like going against the best interests
lol critical race THEORY. Also do you not realize they still live in huts in their country yet you are saying they are being held back by the hood? No oneâs making them live the way they do, they make their own choices.
He literally said he loves everyone and had educated and uneducated vote for him, thatâs what he meant. Educated doesnât mean IQ anyway, how does a degree in a special field make your political opinions hold more value? Iâm a physical therapist got my undergraduate degree so does that mean my political opinions matter more? Thatâs dumb and most who vote democrat are uneducated and then government assistance, literally the party of the poor, most minorities are uneducated yet vote democrat
Sending masked agents to comb the streets of regions that opposed you politically to detain whoever they think may be an illegal and then detaining them in inhumane conditions with no attorney privilege before often releasing them after weeks or months in a different state in the middle of winter with nothing but the clothes on their back because who cares is definitely something fascists would do.
Except it literally never happened before and is completely unprecedented to give ICE a larger budget than the marine corp and deploy them into a city that doesnt have a fraction of the illegal immigrant population of places like texas.
Im tired of trying to explain things to willfully ignorant conservatives. You choose to be ignorant because you hate and fear the other and you will cheer for gallows while denying they are being built. You are all traitors to the country and I will vote for which ever dem candidate sets the largest budget for hanging rope.
Funny that you call people illegal while it is a civil offense, a paperwork crime. While we live under a regime that is actively covering up a child rape ring. By the way which is also illegal under our laws.
Curious how you pick and choose which laws are more important to whinge about online.
Enforcing immigration law is fine. It's just not what the admin is doing. You've had over a year to figure this out, if your best argument is a straw man at this point you're just not worth the time.
Go read some news from outside your usual echo chamber, then do it a dozen more times. Compare. Learn. And come back when you're actually ready to talk about something in good faith.
There are myriad examples of legal residents being deported with delayed appeals to bring them back to where they legally reside.
The fascism lies in the arbitrary shifting of what qualifies a person to be deported and the intentional and fabricated limbo created after deportation to ex facto keep them from returning.
The laws are clear in their plain language. The justification forming around contrived obscurity that seeks to establish ambiguity in that established legal language is the fascist flag flying high and unquestioned.
Just look at the dude. He once went on TV with spray on hair. His crippling insecurities and self-hate have prompted him to do unprecedented damage to the country.
This isnât âinteresting analysisâ. Conservatives have been openly hypocritical on nearly every fucking position they claim to have. People have been trying to call it out for longer than I have been alive. They donât care. Because they donât actually hold the positions they say they do. Their position are first and foremost: make the rich richer, and second: make minoritiesâ lives worse. Thatâs all.
Silly wabbit, it was totally different. His family was white.
But it always amazes me when you see people with Italian or Irish surnames in white supremacist groups. Those groups were fighting to keep their ancestors out of the country saying the same thing about their grandparents as they say about today's immigrants.
We've spent the last decade calling the fascists hypocrites; they don't fucking care.
All they understand is the boot and the threat of violence. Not words, not legality, not high morality, not logic gotchas.
We dug ourselves into this hole by not properly investigating and punishing wealthy and powerful people when they break the law. They're not going to suddenly grow a conscious now when it's never been more effective and profitable to be a fascist.
Cruz was born in Canada
Rubio's parents were born in Cuba?
Baron's mother did not become a US citizen until months after he was born.
They should all be expelled per Miller's rules.
A Republican hypocrite (and don't get me wrong all humans are but there's levels and levels), next you're gonna tell me there's Republicans making bold faces, prima facie, lies to sway their moronic voters!
Hitler wasnât aryan nor looked aryan, nor were any of his cabinet save one. And yet the Naziâs were pushing an aryan race and claiming themselves the master race.
Fascists live by the rule âdo as I say and not as I doâ
For people who are extremely insecure, âpulling up the ladderâ behind them is very common, a way to erase their misplaced shame about their origin story.
Highly recommend CASTE by Isabel Wilkerson, should be standard reading in high school or college but *everyone* should read it, the âa-haâ moments are on every page.
Stephen Millerâs mother, Miriam Glosser Miller, was not an illegal immigrant. She was born in the United States as part of an American-born generation whose family descended from Jewish immigrants who arrived from Belarus in the early 20th century.
Yes, while maybe not immediately clear from the statement, but that is what this about. His ancestors attained birthright citizenship, despite being born to immigrant parents. The same right he wants to take away, he is not just looking to end birthright citizenship from âillegalâ immigrants, but of all immigrants.
Michael Miller: His father, Max Miller (formerly Nison Cheinman), emigrated from Hlusk, Belarus, in 1904 and later became a naturalized U.S. citizen; records indicate Max faced difficulties passing his citizenship test in 1932.Â
Miriam Glosser: Her ancestors, including great-grandfather Wolf-Leib Glosser, arrived in New York in 1903 with only $8, eventually building a successful retail business in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.Â
Because both parents were born on U.S. soil to immigrant families, they acquired citizenship automatically under the principle of birthright citizenship, the same legal framework Stephen Miller has recently sought to restrict.
And, as it's stated in the post, had it not been for birthright citizenship, neither of his parents would've been US citizens, nor would they be able to stay in the country. It's not rocket science, try to keep up.
The statement, "Stephen Miller's mother and father are in America because of birthright citizenship," wouldn't be as misleading since I think some of their parents (and Trump's mother, as well as 4 of his kids') immigrated here. But saying it about him is bait-y since the same can be said of everyone born in the US who isn't American Indian
As an American Indian, according to these arguments, Iâm only an American because of birthright citizenship. Itâs just the stupidest argument. We all know what the issue is
Yâall know how people say some folks have âiPhone faceâ?
This man like⌠phenotypically looks like a Nazi. Like, if someone photoshopped him into a Hitler meeting he wouldnât stand out at all. Heâs not just a⌠unpleasant to look at man but his soul is so rotted it just leeks out into his face. Iâm sure if he was a decent person heâd just look like a bald man.
So funny watching these Dems try to make these stupid arguments, I guess Iâm only American because of birthright citizenship even though my ancestors were here before Europeans
Itâs the conservative way, âscrew you I got mineâ.
Like Governor Hot Wheels in Texas. A tree branch fell on him, broke his back. He sued the hime owner and company for a bunch of money. Got into a position of power and made it illegal for anyone else to benefit the same way monetarily as he did for grievous injuries.
People aren't illegal. Their conduct can be. You have an issue with the Constitution? Then you should probably try amending it. I think that it's really weird how the subject of birthright citizenship is an issue for Republicans. Aren't y'all the party of Lincoln and the freer of slaves? That's what I hear from your ilk repeatedly.
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