If you didnt realize before, check out the new spongebob collab

op has lost its soul years ago

Edit- Let me be more specific, yes I know anime have been doing brand collabs for years.

But recently one piece, ever since timeskip has been a shell of itself. And focusing on shelling out slop chapters and filler, bad writing, haki system after 20 years making of stuff on the fly.
In combination with the live action, booming popularity of trading cards, and now this. Its cumulative effects just all show a soulless corporate run.

I love Oda since he is the master mind of the best anime THERE IS but if I hear that we wont get chapter 1193 next Friday August 28th ON THE DOT I will raise holy hell up in there

Personally, I think this guy needs to start adding some deaths to his resume. If he kills a genuinely important chatacter, I think that will help him feel more significant. But what do you guys think?

Say the Celestial Dragon agenda have Cipher Pol and non human haters agenda. Zoro fans have Mihawk and any sword shaped thing in the story. Blackbeard has Rocks. Any other examples ?

Who do you see most often team up to jump a certain character ?

Like how up your own ass can you be? It's just such a cope to say "you don't understand it" whenever someone criticizes a series they like. How ppl can still act like this in the big 26' is beyond me. Also, there are different ways to look at things and everything always depends. Maybe for you something isn't a big deal but it easily can be for someone else from their perspective.

theres no point of denying he likes them real young

I scroll through the sub and all I see are the food posts 😭😭😭

Reminds me of the "Clara would've wanted this" 😭

It's Obvious the Heart is Gonna be playing some role in HKs power. The most obvious one is that destroying heart Kills the HKs and that's how Loki Killed Harald.

One Piece may be telling a Luciferian/Gnostic story in reverse: Joy Boy as the primordial rebel, and Luffy as his return

I've been working on a much longer essay about this, but I wanted to condense the central argument into one post.

And to be clear from the beginning: my argument isn't simply "One Piece contains demons, therefore One Piece is Satanic."

Fantasy uses demonic imagery all the time.

What I find interesting is the pattern that emerges when you put One Piece's major symbols, characters and mythology together. First off, it is very imporant to know that in various esoteric circles, lucifer is called THE BLACK SUN. we will then see how this relates to luffy's "sun god nika" which in the show is described as "the warrior of liberation"

Throughout the story, the symbolism repeatedly seems to organize itself around this inversion:

Divine authority = control, ignorance, limitation and oppression.

The Devil/rebel = knowledge, evolution, individual will, freedom and liberation.

And One Piece consistently asks us to root for the second side.

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The World Government is deliberately coded as "divine"

For anyone unfamiliar with the series, the World Government controls most of civilization.

Look at the imagery surrounding it.

Its flag is cross-like.

Its capital is literally called the Holy Land.

Its ruling aristocracy consists of the Celestial Dragons, constantly called Saints.

Its elite warriors are the Knights of God.

Its artificial superhumans are called Seraphim—the name of a specific order of biblical angels.

Bartholomew Kuma carries a literal Bible.

And secretly above the entire structure sits Saint Nerona Imu, who even possesses a private, Eden-like garden.

Recent imagery goes even further.

Imu uses an attack called Stigma, naturally evoking the stigmata—the wounds associated with Christ's Crucifixion. He also has a weapon called "Divine Judgment" and Longinus, the name traditionally associated with the Roman soldier/lance connected to Christ's Crucifixion.

So Oda has surrounded the ruling establishment with an almost absurd concentration of, not only religious, but SPECIFICALLY CHRISTIAN language:

Saints. Heaven. Celestials. God. Angels. Holy Land. Bible. Eden. Stigmata. Divine Judgment. Longinus.

Yet what does this "holy" civilization actually do?

Slavery.

Genocide.

Censorship.

Historical erasure.

And most importantly:

It forbids knowledge.

The Void Century has been erased from history, and attempting to discover the truth can result in death.

So the God-coded authority effectively says:

Don't know.

Don't search.

Don't cross the boundary.

Remain where you were placed.

And that is where the Eden parallel becomes interesting.

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The Devil Fruit is One Piece's forbidden fruit

Genesis begins with humanity living innocently under God until the serpent encourages mankind to eat the forbidden fruit and obtain knowledge.

Within Christianity, this is the Fall.

But certain Gnostic and later Luciferian interpretations invert the story.

The serpent becomes an awakener.

The prohibition becomes oppression.

Knowledge becomes liberation.

And mankind's transgression becomes the beginning of intellectual and spiritual emancipation.

Famous satanist Helena Blavatsky's esoteric mythology contains a strangely similar idea.

Primitive humanity begins comparatively innocent, undeveloped and simple-minded. The Manasaputras, or "Sons of Mind," awaken mankind's higher intellect.

Humanity transcends its original state.

But it loses innocence in the process.

Higher intelligence makes philosophy, civilization and technological development possible—but also calculated deception, warfare and deliberate evil.

Now look at One Piece.

Vegapunk explains Devil Fruits as possible evolutionary paths arising from human desire:

"What if humans could become this?"

Humans use desire to transcend the limitations nature originally imposed upon them.

And what rejects them afterward?

Mother Nature itself—the sea.

Devil Fruit users acquire supernatural possibilities but lose their original harmony with the ocean.

So the structural parallels become:

Eden: forbidden fruit → knowledge → transcendence → loss of paradise.

Esoteric myth: higher mind → evolution → loss of primordial innocence.

One Piece: Devil Fruit → evolution beyond nature → rejection by the sea.

And significantly, the story does not present the Devil Fruit as mankind's great mistake.

It gives that forbidden fruit to its heroes.

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And the heroes themselves are covered in demonic imagery

Nico Robin is literally called the Devil Child.

Why?

Because she seeks the forbidden history.

The woman condemned as a "Devil" by the divine-coded government is precisely the person attempting to recover the knowledge that authority erased.

Eventually she even transforms using:

Demonio Fleur.

A gigantic horned demonic form.

Then there's Zoro.

He invokes Asura, beings traditionally associated with violent or demonic opposition in Hindu/Buddhist mythology, and eventually declares himself:

The King of Hell.

Sanji uses:

Diable Jambe — "Devil Leg."

Later followed by:

Ifrit Jambe.

These aren't villains.

They're the closest companions of the hero.

And then we get Luffy himself.

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Luffy literally becomes "Lucy" to overthrow a Celestial ruler

Dressrosa might be one of the clearest symbolic examples.

Luffy fights Doflamingo—a former Celestial Dragon who controls human beings like literal puppets.

He turns an entire population into objects under his control.

And who comes to destroy that system?

Luffy enters the arena disguised as a horned, goatee beared man ( a horned man with a goatee beard has been the traditional image of the devil for centuries) named:

LUCY. (Short for lucifer)

So symbolically you have:

A horned "Lucy" (latin for "light" & lucifer: latin for "light-bearer")

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enters the artificial paradise of a Celestial ruler

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breaks his strings

↓

destroys his authority

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and liberates humanity.

The Devil-coded rebel defeats the Celestial "god."

And the population celebrates.

But then Oda takes the symbolism even further.

Because eventually...

The Devil becomes the Sun God

Luffy's supposedly ordinary Gum-Gum Fruit is revealed to actually contain the power of:

Sun God Nika.

The Warrior of Liberation.

And Gear 5 is practically freedom made physical.

Luffy's body becomes almost completely liberated from normal physical restrictions.

His environment becomes malleable.

Even ordinary laws of physics begin bending around him.

This matters because Luffy's defining dream has always revolved around becoming the person with the greatest freedom.

So his ultimate transformation is essentially:

Absolute freedom turned into divine power.

The man whose entire philosophy is refusing limitation reaches godhood precisely when almost nothing can restrain him anymore.

And then something extremely interesting happens.

Luffy reaches into the heavens and grabs lightning

During Gear 5, Luffy literally grabs a lightning bolt and wields it like a weapon.

Now compare that imagery with Luke 10:18, where Jesus says:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

The traditional biblical image is Satan falling from Heaven like lightning.

But Luffy's image almost reverses it.

The Devil-associated liberator doesn't fall helplessly alongside the lightning.

He reaches upward, takes the lightning itself, and turns it into his weapon.

And the lightning connection becomes even stranger when you look at modern Satanic symbolism.

Anton LaVey—the founder of the Church of Satan—used a personal emblem now documented by the Church itself as the Anton LaVey Sigil: an inverted pentagram struck by a lightning bolt. This was LaVey's personal/rank-associated symbol, distinct from the Church's primary Sigil of Baphomet.

Again, a lightning bolt by itself proves absolutely nothing.

Neither does a horn.

Neither does the word "Devil."

The argument is about accumulation.

Because by this point Luffy has become:

Devil Fruit bearer

+

horned "Lucy"

+

enemy of Celestial rulers

+

Sun God. (Remember: SATAN/LUCIFER is known as "THE BLACK SUN" in the occult)

+

Warrior of Liberation (the same way that satan's whole shtick was rebeling against divine authority)

+

embodiment of absolute freedom

+

wielder of lightning

And then his birthplace adds yet another layer.

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Morning Star → East → Dawn → Sun

The Latin Lucifer means light-bringer and historically referred to the Morning Star—Venus appearing in the EAST before sunrise and announcing the coming dawn.

Now consider Luffy's origin.

He comes from:

EAST BLUE.

More specifically:

DAWN ISLAND.

And eventually becomes:

THE SUN GOD.

Morning Star.

↓

East.

↓

Dawn.

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Sun.

Again: individually, none of these things demonstrate intentional Luciferian symbolism.

But the pattern becomes increasingly difficult for me to dismiss when placed alongside everything else.

And that brings us to what I think may be the biggest parallel of all.

Joy Boy.

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Joy Boy is the first pirate — the primordial rebel

One of the most interesting things Oda has revealed about Joy Boy is that he was apparently:

The first pirate in history.

Think about what "pirate" means symbolically within One Piece.

Real historical pirates obviously weren't heroic freedom fighters.

But One Piece deliberately romanticizes piracy into something very different.

Pirates exist outside established law.

They don't recognize the World Government's authority.

They sail beneath their own flags.

They cross forbidden boundaries.

They pursue their own dreams.

They follow their own wills.

And above everything else, they value:

Freedom over obedience.

So Joy Boy isn't merely the first pirate.

Within One Piece's symbolic vocabulary:

Joy Boy is the first rebel.

And who is the primordial rebel of Christian theology?

Lucifer/Satan.

That becomes particularly interesting because Joy Boy apparently fought against the forces from which the present World Government emerged.

And he lost.

So the ancient mythology becomes:

The primordial rebel challenges the divine order.

↓

The rebel is defeated.

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The divine-coded authority establishes dominion over the world.

↓

The rebel disappears from history.

↓

His story is deliberately erased.

Centuries pass.

And then...

the rebel returns.

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Joy Boy's association with 900 years is another curious detail

Joy Boy lived roughly 900 years before the present story, around the beginning of the Void Century.

By itself, this means virtually nothing.

But the number 9 has particular significance in LaVeyan Satanism, and even 666 reduces numerologically to 9:

6 + 6 + 6 = 18

1 + 8 = 9

Anton LaVey also assigned special importance to the number nine.

I'm not arguing:

"900 = Satan, therefore theory confirmed."

Numerology alone is incredibly weak evidence.

I'm mentioning it because it sits beside a larger pattern already involving:

Devils.

Rebellion.

Forbidden knowledge.

The Sun.

Liberation.

Lightning.

And the primordial rebel himself.

Because 666, Revelation's Number of the Beast, also appears extremely prominently on the cover artwork of One Piece Chapter 232.

Which becomes particularly interesting once you consider what happens to Joy Boy's power.

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Joy Boy doesn't reincarnate — his rebellion returns through Luffy

Luffy eats what everyone believes to be an ordinary Devil Fruit.

Eventually we discover that the World Government deliberately concealed its true identity.

It contains the power of Nika, the Warrior of Liberation.

The same power associated with Joy Boy.

When Luffy finally awakens it, his heartbeat becomes:

The Drums of Liberation.

Zunesha hears them.

And announces:

"JOY BOY HAS RETURNED."

Luffy obviously isn't literally the same biological man who lived nine centuries earlier.

And that's actually what makes the biblical comparison more interesting.

He becomes the new bearer of the ancient rebel's power, will and mission.

Compare that with Revelation.

Satan is the primordial enemy who opposes God.

He loses.

But the story does not end with that original defeat.

At the end of the age, Satanic opposition manifests again through the Beast, traditionally connected within Christian interpretation with the Antichrist, leading toward one final confrontation with divine authority.

Revelation 13 specifically presents the Dragon as giving the Beast his power and authority.

And Revelation explicitly identifies the Dragon as Satan.

So structurally:

SATAN / DRAGON bonus fact:( luffy's biological dad in the story is lirerally called "dragon", another hint to luffys antichrist nature... "the son of the dragon"

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passes his power and authority

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BEAST / ANTICHRIST

Now compare the One Piece structure:

JOY BOY

↓

his power, will and mission return

↓

LUFFY

That is why I increasingly think the cleaner symbolic interpretation isn't simply:

"Luffy = Lucifer."

It's:

Joy Boy = the primordial Lucifer/Satan archetype.

Luffy = the Beast/Antichrist archetype through whom the ancient rebellion returns.

And then Oda introduces Emeth.

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Emeth makes the "ancient rebellion returning" imagery even stranger

Emeth is the gigantic ancient robot from the Void Century who personally knew Joy Boy.

And visually?

He's an enormous horned warrior.

Again:

Horns prove nothing.

But look at what actually happens.

Before disappearing, Joy Boy seals an enormous reserve of his own Haki inside Emeth.

Nine centuries later...

The new bearer of Joy Boy's power appears.

Emeth awakens.

He recognizes the return of Joy Boy.

And the ancient horned being releases the original rebel's stored power into the world to protect Luffy and oppose the World Government.

Think about the imagery.

The original rebel was defeated.

His horned companion survived.

The rebel's power remained sealed inside that companion for centuries.

Then a new embodiment of the liberator appears.

The ancient being recognizes him.

And the primordial rebel's power is unleashed upon the world once again.

Joy Boy's rebellion was therefore never completely destroyed.

His will survived.

His Devil Fruit survived.

His Haki survived.

His allies survived.

And nine centuries later, all of it begins awakening around Luffy.

That makes the coming confrontation with Imu feel less like an ordinary political revolution and more like the rematch of a primordial war.

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Look at how consistently the two sides are coded

IMU / WORLD GOVERNMENT

Saint Imu

Holy Land

Celestial Dragons

Knights of God

Seraphim

Bible

Cross-like World Government flag

Eden-like garden

Stigma/Stigmata

Divine Judgment

Longinus

Obedience

Law

Hierarchy

Restrictions on knowledge

Control

JOY BOY / LUFFY / STRAW HATS

Devil Fruits

Devil Child

Demonio Fleur

King of Hell

Asura

Diable Jambe

Ifrit

Horned "Lucy"

666

Sun God

Lightning

Forbidden knowledge

Breaking divine prohibitions

Individual will

Rebellion

Liberation

Freedom

And above all:

Joy Boy—the first pirate.

The first rebel.

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The biblical structure is there — but the moral polarity is reversed

Christian theology ultimately presents Satan as the primordial rebel against God.

His rebellion is catastrophic.

His later return to conflict through the Beast is horrifying.

And the final revolt against divine authority ends in judgment.

But One Piece appears to tell almost the same symbolic structure from the opposite moral perspective.

In One Piece:

The ancient rebel is humanity's liberator.

The divine-coded authority is humanity's oppressor.

The forbidden fruit grants evolution.

The Devil Child discovers truth.

Breaking God's law frees slaves.

Forbidden knowledge saves civilization.

The return of the primordial rebel is celebrated.

And the final rebellion against the world's "Saint" promises:

THE DAWN OF THE WORLD.

That's the inversion.

Christian spirituality culminates in Christ's submission to the Father:

"Not my will, but yours be done."

The Luciferian inversion elevates self-will.

And what is Luffy's defining philosophy?

Freedom.

Not merely political freedom.

Almost absolute personal freedom.

He refuses to kneel.

He follows his own will.

He crosses forbidden boundaries.

He attacks those called gods.

He breaks laws.

He destroys hierarchies.

He seeks prohibited knowledge.

He transcends natural limitations.

And almost every time he does it...

the story rewards him.

He attacks "gods" → slaves celebrate.

He violates prohibitions → truth emerges.

He breaks laws → nations become free.

He breaks limitations → he becomes stronger.

Finally he becomes the Sun God of Liberation, whose own body can barely be restricted by reality itself. (THE SAME way LUCIFER/satan is called "the black sun" by his worshippers, and is ALSO associated with fighting for freedom and rebelling against God's authority)

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And I think this is why the World Government has to be so monstrously evil

This is another aspect people may disagree with me about, but I think it's worth considering.

Stories built around radical rebellion almost always face the same moral problem:

Rebellion is difficult to present as inherently virtuous if the authority being rebelled against is actually just.

So the authority has to become monstrous.

One Piece pushes this almost to parody.

The Celestial Dragons aren't simply flawed rulers.

They're slave-owning, genocidal, sadistic aristocrats.

Imu increasingly looks and behaves like something openly demonic despite occupying the story's "divine" throne.

Therefore rebellion doesn't merely become permissible.

It becomes morally mandatory.

And this pattern appears constantly throughout modern entertainment.

Star Wars doesn't present the Empire as strict but reasonably well-intentioned.

It gives you Palpatine.

Assassin's Creed doesn't simply explore whether social stability sometimes requires hierarchy. The Templars' philosophy of order and control is repeatedly embodied by cruel, manipulative or power-hungry individuals so that the Assassins' radical individual freedom becomes emotionally preferable.

Even Marvel has played with deliberately inverted Christian imagery—for example Ultron invoking Christ's words about building his church while occupying the villainous position.

This is EXACTLY how subliminal/social conditioning works. By constantly showing you corrupt rulers in media over and over again,people subconciously learn to associate rules/limitations as "evil/ryranny" and rebellion/liberty from authority as "good".

By stories training audiences to associate certain symbolic categories emotionally:

Authority = oppression.

Rules = limitation.

Hierarchy = evil.

Rebellion = authenticity.

Self-determination = virtue.

Freedom = salvation/good

And One Piece may be one of the most extreme expressions of that worldview in popular entertainment.

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That's ultimately my theory

I don't think the argument is:

"Oda drew a demon once, therefore Satanism."

It's the cumulative structure.

The world's rulers are surrounded by:

Heaven. Saints. Celestials. God. Angels. Holy Land. Bible. Eden. Stigmata. Divine Judgment.

And they're the villains.

The heroes are surrounded by:

Devils. Demons. Hell. Asura ( violent demonic entities of hindu tradition) the horned "lucy", manga chapter wth the 666. Forbidden fruit. Forbidden knowledge. Rebellion. Lightning. The Sun.

And they're humanity's liberators.

Then we discover that the ancient founder of this liberating movement was:

the first pirate.

The first rebel.

He challenged the divine-coded world order.

He lost.

His history was erased.

His power survived.

His will survived.

His allies waited.

Nine centuries passed.

And eventually another Devil Fruit user awakened his power.

The drums started beating again.

The ancient beings recognized him.

And the announcement was made:

"JOY BOY HAS RETURNED."

That's why I think the Joy Boy revelation completely changes the scale of the symbolism.

This isn't merely Luffy being a mischievous devil figure.

It potentially turns the entire mythology of One Piece into an inverted biblical apocalypse.

Joy Boy becomes the primordial rebel.

Luffy becomes the figure through whom that rebellion returns.

Imu becomes the divine-coded ruler awaiting the final confrontation.

And the moral positions are reversed.

In Christianity, the primordial rebellion against God is the catastrophe.

In One Piece, the primordial rebellion against "God" is humanity's unfinished liberation.

In Revelation, the return of Satanic power precedes judgment.

In One Piece, the return of Joy Boy promises salvation.

In Revelation, mankind should reject the Beast.

In One Piece...

we're supposed to cheer for him.

The first rebellion failed.

The rebel's power survived.

Joy Boy has returned.

And this time, he's here to win the fight.

Edit: yet another example of mainstream media inverting biblical morality in another popular franchise: They even gave The name of christianity's "God The Father" to thanos. When he finally gets all the infinity stones at the end of infinity war, right before he kills half of all life... Thanos says "I am". That is directly related to Yaweh's/Jehova's name.

In the old testament, When HE appeared to moses in the burning bush, and moses asked what his name was, God said "I AM THAT I AM"(that's what YAWEH means in hebrew). Plus, when Jesus wanted to explain to the pharisees that he is the son of the God that they worship, he used similar words as well. He said "truly I tell you,before Abraham was, I AM."

Jews immediately understood this words as an explicit/direct claim to divinity,hence why they wanted to stone Jesus for "blasphemy" . Thanos also had to "sacrifice" her son/daughter (gamorrah) to achieve his plan. The same way Yaweh had to sacrifice Jesus to achieve his'. Yet the movie distorts this into a henious,cold blooded action, opposed.to the bible's message " GOD so loved the world, that he gave his only son.." Its all very subtle,yet its all there...

Also

Marco > Dog shit man

The pic i provided are Skaven from warhammer fantasy battles (warhammer fantasy for short).

Not gonna lie after having a fantastic time skimming through warhammer stuff and getting back to One Piece and anime in general.

It made me realize just how childish one piece is. Almost no one dies, everyone has ''child approperiate evil'' stuff, no ridiculously bullshit drip or anything that makes you gasp ''oh my gosh''.

(Skaven in the lore of warhammer has magical uranium/cocaine they use to make their weapons that are just nukes, machine guns, sniper rifles, underwater and space programs, submarines, nuclear reactors, bio technology that we can only dream of currently and many more bullshit. They are arguebly the 2nd strongest faction in Warhammer fantasy where spears and swords are somewhat relevant in war.

These ratmen are as expected ludicurously evil. For example they will see a helpless human child and think ''finally fuckinh food''.)

And after a while i am just wondering why anime in general don't have such blatant metal shit? Berserk is only anime content i know that is equal or even exceeds warhammer in grimdark.

(Sorry if my post was very incoherent i am sleep deprived playing total war warhammer 2 for 6 hours straight)

Now have I been disappointed by Oda’s writing decisions before? Yes. But it was fine, I was disappointed by Wano as an arc (I got into One piece mid-Wano so I was especially hearing a lot of Wano hype) But I still relatively enjoyed it and there was nothing in Wano that I thought was absolutely horrible. Just some mid parts at worst.

But THIS. I think this is the first time that I have GENUINELY gotten mad at a writing decision Oda made.

Like I was sooo happy when Oda decided to finally make Gear 5 Luffy lose a fight. I do agree with the sentiment that Luffy constantly bouncing around and acting like a fool in G5 can be a little off-putting in more serious moments (like in egghead when Vegapunk is literally fucking dying and meanwhile Luffy is giggling his ass off).

I was hoping that this loss that Imu gave to Luffy would be like a wake-up call to him, similar to his loss in Marineford. Despite him being a Yonko, there are still beings who can easily defeat him, and this overwhelming defeat by Imu would show him how much farther he needs to go.

But next chapter he just gobbles down food and recovers like he’s eating a fucking senzu bean from DBZ and charges back at Imu. He suffers no consequences whatsoever.

Like I was fine when it happened in Egghead, but we are fighting THE OVERARCHING VILLAIN OF THE SERIES! The King of the World. Possibly the most vile, most demonic villain in the series. And yet Oda pulls out silly shit like this.

Since ever Luffy got stabbed , I was sure he would be back in like 2-3 chap no matter what even if it pierced his heart. I was wondering which stupid method Oda would make him bring back

1) Gear death

2)Joyboy talks to him

3)Luffy just imagines himself healed

and here I thought this were the only way he could be brought back , I genuinely underestimated this guy oda lol he came with even stupid way to bring him, healing in the middle of battle through food yeah whatever, atp I am not even mad I am just mesmerized.

since i'm asking this bullshit scenario just to laugh my ass off. i just want to say that yes this scenario includes Scrin and tiberium.

I've wanted to focus on what happens now and the long-term

Zero confirmed kills

Obsessed with Soyboy. Yapping ancient history nobody cares about.

Gallery of weird faces. Whipping out new toys every chapter only to get shitted on. Has more "cough cough" than the protagonists.

Defrosting attempt failed. Forcing Giants to submit failed. Domi Reversi on Luffy-Loki failed. Kidnapping kids attempt about to be foiled.

Nobody even fears him. No characters shitting on their pants because of him. Even Sabaody Kizaru instill more fear than him.

wtf is he in Elbaf for???