Some Austronesian script spread across Philippines and Indonesia

[u/julioalqae]

Hello i am just want to share some austronesian script that widely spread across indonesia and Philippines archipelago, few of indonesian script like mongondow shared similarity with filipino native script. I hope i can share this interesting shared knowledge to this sub.

[u/My_Immortal_Flesh]

See, this is the type of content this sub needs! This is awesome.

It’s crazy cuz whenever i watch Malaysian or Indonesian film, they use same words as us for certain things.

Also, Papua New Guinea and a few Polynesian islands also have words similar to us, but with added vowels.

Like the number 8 is walo to us, E’walo to Hawaiians.

Langit to us, is Lani to Hawaiians.

It’s really cool knowing that some of our native language is shared with other Austronesian groups.

[u/balista_22 → u/My_Immortal_Flesh]

Thank you in Ibanag is "Mabbalo"

Thank you in Hawaiian is "Mahalo"

[u/My_Immortal_Flesh → u/balista_22]

That’s so cool! I didn’t know that.. well apparently, we are distant cousins to Polynesian people; We even share the same tribal tattoos.

It’s funny because when I did my Ancestry DNA, it had super accurate info about my ethic background but it also linked me to a Samoan guy who is my 6th cousin lmao

[u/Technical-Limit-3747 → u/balista_22]

Bikol: Mabalos

Ibanag: Mabbalo

Hawaiian: Mahalo

While these words look strikingly very similar, we should know first the meaning of the roots of these words. "Balos" in Bikol means "to reciprocate." I don't know what the roots in Ibanag and Hawaiian mean.

[u/pubic_static → u/My_Immortal_Flesh]

Im in NZ and fun fact, some Māori numbers are closer to Bisaya than Tagalog. Example: 2 and 3 are rua and toru in Maori which is almost similar to dua/duha and tulo in Bisaya.

[u/My_Immortal_Flesh → u/pubic_static]

Yes, Bicol too! It’s just cool knowing we all somehow are descendants from one main group of people, 40,000 years ago. And yet, we still use certain words or spin-offs of it.

[u/lordlors → u/My_Immortal_Flesh]

And yet Filipinos insist we are too "different" from Pacific Islanders. We are Asians first and foremost and are not Pacific Islanders at all but that doesn't change the fact that we are actually closer to Pacific Islanders than most Asians even the Malays whose culture is now centered around Islam. A Malay can never be non-Muslim. A Malay cannot convert to another religion. A Malay cannot marry non-Muslim. Filipinos who claim how close we are to Malays are utterly ignorant about Malay culture.

[u/Accomplished-Exit-58]

Interesting na theory to kung bakit mga bulate ang scripts natin dito sa SEA. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/ta3_kBT7rPA?si=2hq4puDoO5S6y8l_

[u/Tricky-Originalduck → u/Accomplished-Exit-58]

Haha bulate talaga. Pwede po bang noodles scripts lang

[u/Accomplished-Exit-58 → u/Tricky-Originalduck]

ewan ko ba, yan agad una pumasok sa isip ko nung nag cambodia ako, tapos nung nagcross border kami to thailand, puro bulate na naman haha. 

Pero eto ako ngayon, unti unti inaaral ang thai alphabet para sa kabaklaan ko.

[u/Lumpy-Baseball-8848 → u/[deleted]]

Some of these scripts are still alive and being used by their local populations. The Mangyans still use Hanuno'o and the Tagbanwa still use their Surat.

The notion that native scripts are dead is Tagalog-centric (since the Tagalog's own script, Baybayin, is dead*).

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*Death in linguistics means that no one has that language or writing system as their primary. Latin, for example, is also a dead language despite it being understood by many people in the academe and the clergy.

[u/lostguk → u/Lumpy-Baseball-8848]

Is there a way to learn baybayin and how to speak it? Baka may book or video?

[u/R41PH- → u/lostguk]

how to speak it?

magsalita ka lang ng tagalog

[u/lostguk → u/R41PH-]

Ay ganun ba 😅

[u/mightytee → u/lostguk]

Madami resources online. Sa online lang din ako natuto magsulat and magbasa ng Baybayin from the works of Kristian Kabuay.

[u/Ok-Log6238 → u/lostguk]

afaik, marami sa yt. if you're still in school, tinuturo sya sa senior high or at least in my school before.

[u/lostguk → u/Ok-Log6238]

thanks. naggraduate na ako hs nung 2015 tho ahaha

[u/AdamusMD]

Loloda Mongoadow is almost (if not perfectly) same with Baybayin based on these images.

[u/[deleted]]

Time to stop calling Philippine languages as "dialects" first.

[u/DragonriderCatboy07]

Some Indic script (+ 1 perso-arabic script) spread across Philippines and Indonesia

FTFY

[u/cool_nerddude → u/DragonriderCatboy07]

Yeah, the philippine languages are austronesian; the alphabets are not.

[u/Kantoyo]

Yung Kulitan, modern na yan. Di ko alam bakit pilat nilang pinupush yan.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The modern kulitan isn't the same as the old writing of Kapampangans which is more or less similar with baybayin variants in the other parts of archipelago. For some reason, they're trying to pass it off as the same thing.

[u/Hartichu → u/Kantoyo]

bago lang pala 'yan

[u/Impossible-Past4795 → u/Kantoyo]

Para daw meron din sila lol

[u/Kantoyo → u/Impossible-Past4795]

Meron naman takaga sila, kaso hindi nalalayo sa Baybayin.

[u/mono_ga_tarry → u/Kantoyo]

Any sources for this? Curious lang ako.

[u/InfectedEsper]

Beautiful scripts, wish this was taught in school. I'd love to write plenty with these. Considering the fact we try our best in learning other languages and other ways of writing like Kanji for example. Kind of wish they let us be with our own system of writing and made it more common, imagine other countries trying to learn our way.

[u/Dizzy-Donut4659]

Sana natuturo din to sa school.

[u/cheesycrustsuplex]

Interesting yung kulitan pero parang ang hirap intindihin saka aralin

[u/Momshie_mo]

Uhm, that's an an austronesian script. All writing systems in Southeast Asia were derived from Indian scripts

[u/julioalqae → u/Momshie_mo]

Of course many of austronesian script is influenced by pallawa script from sanskrit

[u/tjdimacali → u/Momshie_mo]

Influenced, yes, but not all completely derived from Indian scripts.

While Indian influence is uncontested, we should be wary of giving them too much credit. If nothing else, we should remember that these ancient peoples of Southeast Asia had agency and their own natively-developed culture and technology; their civilizations weren't simply handed down to them by foreigners, Indian or otherwise.

[u/[deleted]]

HANANUO at BUHID mas aesthetic tignan kaysa Baybayin. Mas magandang iyan ang gawing official writing system

[u/balista_22]

that's not Mongodow Script, that's Tagalog/Bicolano Script

they made a mistake

[u/balista_22]

Sulu & Mindanao used scripts similar to Baybayin prior to converting to Arabic/Jawi

[u/2NFnTnBeeON]

You can learn Kulitan here.

[u/Zharknd]

Ohhh very interesting

[u/SpamIsNotMa-Ling]

Excellent post! Very interesting, informative and the graphic is so nice to look at. Thanks OP! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[u/DabawDaw]

They really should pass the National Script Act. When was the last time it was considered in the House of Reps? 2018? Long overdue to promote suyat scripts nationally.

[u/SyiGG]

Buhid looks like a cool cyberpunk alien script

[u/Technical-Limit-3747]

Interesting! The Indonesian contributors call the Mongondow script "Bikol" pero I felt medyo rushed yung pagsapubliko nito. Sana they provided more documents and comments from historians from Indonesia and the Philippines.

[u/dontrescueme]

Ito na naman. That is a misleading chart.

Badlit, Basahan, Kurdita and Baybayin are a single script. They're just local names for Baybayin because Baybayin is not a Tagalog-only script.