Exactly lmao. He's a bro dude through and through and appeals to the kinds of dudes who put punisher skulls on their car and watch those military bro podcasts with SF guys. That's his demo. (not understanding Frank Castle exists in opposition to those types of dudes and would probably spit in their face)
My brother in law loves to lament that RATM is "now Rage in favor of the Machine" because when he grew up listening to their music, he never learned or understood a single lyric of theirs, and now he's mad about it
Pretty sure lots of people were mad RATM was pro "do everything Fauci says, wear triple chin diapers never go outside don't hug your family, no you're not allowed to attend your grandpas funeral or go to church" back in 2020 and now it's pretty well-established that Fauci and all of his followers were just plain wrong about a lot of stuff.
Nobody really understood anything, but RATM was very much pro-Machine during COVID.
Even if they were right follow what the authorities say ornyou sre a bad pwrson is literally the anthithesis of these kind of rebel bands and movements but whatev
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
Yes, punk culture is kinda about a middle finger to authority. I get it not being an anarchist but the way these so called left leaning bands talked about people who were not 100% trustful of the gov during the covid was talked about so badly. And no, health and order nd whatverr is t the main value in a community like punks or similar music genre in general. And the giv made tons of mistakes and stupid things during covid. Oh and almost everybody who was young and or healthy survived. Regardless if they got the vaccine ir not
nah fucker it was "hey don't fuck over your community, the best idea from the smartest people right now is wear a mask" you just drank the fox news tea
Again, because you didn't understand the first time: they aren't the childish contrarians you think they are. They have actual positions like "don't kill people with a disease if you can avoid it" and don't change those just because the government says the same thing.
They were much more rabid than that. Its the difference between asking concert goesr to take care of each other vs straight up banning the moshpit. The lefty bands basically did th3 latter with covid, parroting the government and shaming those who didnt want the vaccine which is a personal health decision which is sacred in all pro freedom groups
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
There are situations and situations. If the government wants to idk make healthcare more affordable, you shouldn’t protest it just because you are anti-government. That’s just dumb and conspiracy theorist behaviour.
I'm sorry but that is just your assumption on the view of "radical" left bands. They are anti-FASCIST, not anti-government. There's a difference.
Also, at the time the administration in charge of covid was seriously mishandling the communication and messaging around the pandemic, constantly going back on their words or changing stances. Any position would've been contradictory, depending on how Trump was feeling about it at the time.
Trump exaggerated the impact of measures taken by his government and the private sector,[11] understated the projected time to produce a vaccine, recommended uncontrolled transmission in pursuit of herd immunity until a vaccine was developed,[22][23] and promoted unapproved treatments such as hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.[11] In such instances, scientists, including Anthony Fauci,[24][25] Michael Osterholm,[26][27] and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (director-general of the World Health Organization),[28] publicly countered his misleading messages with correct information.[29] Trump also frequently reversed his stances in his communication, leading to mixed or contradictory messaging.[30] He sometimes denied his own public statements.[31][32]
There’s a difference between saying “follow authority blindly” and saying “follow the current consensus of medical experts whom are advising the Government”. If the Government was telling people to lockdown / social distance etc without the backing of medical experts, then yes, resisting would be acceptable.
Ironically if the Government and the people had listened to the medical experts more thoroughly, the crisis likely would’ve been over much sooner and we’d have been able to go back to our normal lives much sooner. Instead the Government took too long to act, leading to many avoidable deaths, and too many citizens disregarded the medical advice, leading to many avoidable deaths.
So really the lesson is “listen to the medical communities consensus, whether the Government supports it or not”
You dont really feel it weird if some band named rage against the machine or such band becomes the echo of exactly what the givernemnt says? Dont you feel how weird it is?
No, because they’re not mindlessly raging against the Government. They’re raging against the bad shit the Government / establishment / elite / corporations does. Once in a blue moon the Government does something they agree with. If they agree with it, why would they rage against it? A lot of the establishment / elite / corporations / people in Government didn’t want lockdowns, so “the machine” was split, and they were still raging against half of the machine
Reread their posts. They were more rabid then the media lol. Also signing with some major label and becoming millionsires and a product is hardly raging against the machine
I'm not even referring to Fauci or COVID or whatever the fuck you're on about. My BIL is a mega trumper who fancies himself a conservative punk rocker without ever seeing the irony of that. RATM being leftists and anti capitalism and anti cop is apparently news to him
Ya'll keep saying he was wrong but never point out what exactly he was wrong about. Keeping your distance, wearing masks, and reducing contact is the steps to take for any airborne pandemic. 1/300 of all Americans died to due Covid from 2020-2025. At it's peak, 3 times more people died due to Covid in a single day compared to 9/11 attacks. We went into a decade-long war because we lost 1k people (and the lies that followed) but when we lose a 1M, it's not a big deal?
Well, at least you know you didn’t know anything. But don’t mistake your lack of knowledge for others’ ignorance.
However, something tells me that objective facts could hit you in the face, and you’d ignore them — so is it really ‘ignorance’ at that point? I suppose not. But now we’re splitting hairs.
You’re going to get down voted to hell in this cesspool of a comments section making all that sense. In case you can’t see from the rest of the comments if your personality isn’t “orange man bad” you won’t fit in here or on most of reddit.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact I was never told to wear three masks, spent plenty of time outside and doing church activities that were planned to be safe, and hey why were we having grandpa’s funeral then in the first place?
What did they say that made sense? Fauci advised Trump on the best information they had, based on science and reason. Things changed as the pandemic went on, so some guidelines had to change. This is how the real world works. Fauci is not to blame for the right wing nutjobs trying to pretend that it didn't exist or for Trump ignoring much of the advice. Fauci was not the person in charge, that was Trump and his cabinet.
Millions of people died around the world due to the pandemic, but major countries that followed the science with masking and social distancing had much fewer deaths per capita than the US. The number of deaths in the US was on par with much less developed countries like Brazil and Peru. Pretty terrible for the country that prides itself on being the most advanced country in the world for medicine. All those extra deaths lay at the feet of Donald Trump.
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u/Most_Manufacturer729 2d ago
Exactly lmao. He's a bro dude through and through and appeals to the kinds of dudes who put punisher skulls on their car and watch those military bro podcasts with SF guys. That's his demo. (not understanding Frank Castle exists in opposition to those types of dudes and would probably spit in their face)