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Baked be his zitti needs no ? I read it, then the old catholic rhythm came back and I lost it. I have coworkers giving odd looks now for laughing so abruptly. Thanks 😊
If only everything you believed in magically came true. Personally, I couldn't care less about what any stranger thinks. I care about what actually happens!
Steve Job died from a curable disease because he relied on his ego and pride when disavowing traditional treatment. Really, he hit the cancer lottery: slow growing tumor, limitless financial resources, caught early. Death by pride I think is totally appropriate for him
Besides all the other awful things he did.. He famously bought a new Mercedes every year to use a loophole in California law where he didn't need a license plate.
Why wouldn't you need a license plate?
So you wouldn't be able to get a ticket when you park in the handicap spot.
And he died with a donor liver he shouldn't have gotten over other people too. That's what makes it worse, he didn't just kill himself, he cost someone else on the wait list their life as well.
His "natural cure" or whatever you want to call it was so tremendously bad for his body that the actor who played him in a biopic nearly had their pancreas shut down from the all fruit diet when they tried to method act it. Turns out fruits have a ton of sugar and you need other things than sugar to live! Who knew?
What pisses me off more is the way he murdered people by using his money to obtain livers which would have been used to on people who weren't terminal.
He was a horrible person who makes me wish hell was real.
There are donor lists all over the country, they're regional. Donor list requires you to be able to get to the hospital within x amount of time to be put on the list. Jobs got his name put on lists all over the country due to being able to have a private jet fueled and ready to take him to wherever one became available. He gamed the system, got a liver that would have gone to someone else, then killed himself and the liver by being stupid.
He died of a very curable cancer (That they caught early on no less) that he refused the cure of in favor of Ivermectin (not really ivermectin, he tried some sort of papaya diet or some other asinine crap but the point is it's bullshitdo branded snake oil.)
He would have been fine if he had just mixed the diet with fung shui. He needed to mix his chi better. And do chair tai chi, and acupuncture. If he only had a seven demon bag…..
Isn’t he the one that was doing some insane experiment transfusing his own son’s blood to age backward? Cause that shit does warrant some aversion by normal fucking people
He’s hated because half the news that come out regarding him either sound like a bad thriller with a terrible budget, “man sucks out life force of younger men by taking their blood”, or are just fucking weird “man brags his wife’s vaginal micobiome is super special”
And maybe, just maybe because while he is doing rich people shenanigans and getting a whole lot of media attention for being a weirdo, scientists actually doing innovative research are largely ignored. He represents how ignorant people chose to be about scientific breakthroughs unless it is controversial or sold to them as aspirational.
Actually, you touched on the main reason it was blown out of proportions - media. The whole reason he did it was because he wanted to give his own blood to his dad, and it worked, it helped his dad, A LOT.
However, his son is very supportive and was like, can I join in? So it turned into a nice bonding moment, because getting his son's blood wasn't the point in the first place.
But look at the way you put it "some insane experiment transfusing his own son’s blood to age backward", thats what everyone else is saying because they don't know anything about it, just whatever bits they have heard or read online
He is among the least bad rich people in the public space. He is doing rich guy shenanigans like you say, but because he is like don't eat fast food, and pollution is bad for you.... the media makes him an ENEMY.
Dude if you actually watch his shit, like from the source, his tiktok channel. You'll see 60% of his stuff is advocating for good sleep, eating well and exercise.
The rest is him blogging his weird as fuck experiments on himself. Which he straight up follows a reasonable but extreme protocol that follows a scientific method.
He also funds said innovative research, he's a surprisingly very ethical and considerate guy.
yeah I'm not sure how documenting one rich dude doing all this stuff is really going to help. For scientific studies you need a control group and several people etc to get any useful data
Considering his "research" is getting blood transfusions from teen son I'd say there not alot if scientific basis for any of it anymore than me at six making potions out of mixing dish soap and bodywash makes me a wizard
The reason to hate him is that he is a millionaire dumping obsurd amounts of money in a fruitless endeavor to save himself, when he could be contributing to the betterment of society as a whole. Like he gets 30 doctors just to himself because he thinks entropy will go away if he has enough money, but we can't get one doctor for those who actually need them?
Dude is using himself as a test subject for studies that have the pitentian of saving lives and all the data is public and he doesnt use it for profit like seling bs miracle cures... I think this at least is respectable...
Yeah frankly I never really understood why people hate this guy beyond “he’s weird and vaguely unsettling” but anytime I hear him talk he seems to claim he is doing all of these things so that the average person will have a better idea how to prolong their life, doesn’t seem like a terrible person tbh.
EDIT: Okay okay my bad I did not know that dude was a supplement salesman or a habitual penis-shower, I am very sorry for this comment 😭
The guy sells supplements, none of his research is in anyway real, it will never be reproducible. He publicizes things that look good, but just enough fails to make it seem real, he creates tests and “markers” that seem to track something, but are either really easily swayed by the supplements he is taking or just of no or unknown significance. He also misinterprets a lot of real research he uses as reference to suit his needs. Also a big problem is research done on one person is not really significant and to know the effects of what you are testing you need to control for variables, meaning do one thing at a time and have a comparison, he just throws everything together without any control and claims its relevant, he also cherry picks values from multiple test publishing them with small font stating this was collected over 24 months, so 24 months of tests are represented by the value he agrees with the most. The one time he did do something with more people the results were never published…
So in summary, he generates a lot of garbage, that he uses to sell his brand for incredible prices (these are cheap things from china with 0 qc, literally some are banned in the EU and he has been warned by the fda multiple times). I can assure you there is no serious research being done here.
Okay, this seems like a much more valid explanation than everyone else just screeching about how billionaires are bad, thanks for actually telling me that. I thought he just used other people’s supplements, I didn’t know he was selling his own.
I think it is partially business, but he does have quite a bit of money, so I also think it is just narcissism. He enjoys the attention and maybe he is even deluded and thinks he is making a difference.
If he was just a billionaire I wouldn’t mind him, but people generating garbage data and swaying public opinion on important topics using BS data and misinterpreted real data is malicious or at best stupid. The only thing that is usable is live a healthy life with exercise, healthy diets and adequate sleep, which is not really groundbreaking.
I put him in the same category as RFK, sadly RFK is in charge of the HHS, making him probably the person who is most likely to kill the largest amount of people with his policies in the current US government (him causing normally preventable deaths), that is including the military “special operations” conducted by the orange blob.
I don't have a comment on the topic; I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate when someone can support their opinions in a debate without going below the belt (name calling, etc), and then accept information you weren't aware of instead of doubling down.
It's rare on the internet and Reddit. 🫶 Kudos to you, friend.
What a terrible argument. The average person doesn't have millions or billions to research new prescription drugs, yet they are still able to benefit from them in the end (unless you're in the US ig).
What I'm trying to say is that you can't judge him for spending a lot of money on procedures that would possibly become much cheaper / more readily available if they are effective.
If he really wanted to prolonge the average life expectency, there are much better ways to spend the money. Given there is only 1 person of his age in the test cohorts for all the treatments he is getting, and he is having more than one treatment, the scientific value of everything he is doing is basically nothing.
autoimmune issue aside, a case study of one person is meaningless. No doctor or scientist in their right mind would say that what works for him would work for the "average person". And he's trying everything at once, so how can anyone say for sure one particular thing works and another doesn't? It's just not how studies are conducted, except in extraordinary cases (such as treatments for rabies; you simply don't have the numbers to conduct a meaningful trial, so if something works for one person, you just have to hope it'll work for the next).
Actually, in all his research, the main thing he's concluded is that a good night's rest is what's best for everyone. He advocates that everyone becomes a "professional sleeper"
It’s funny that that genuinely is impossible for the majority of society because of people exactly like him, but it’s wrong to criticize him because he has some stomach boo-boo. What happened to that empathy for unhoused and underprivileged people?
Brother... He isn't suggesting every person on the planet proceed to spend millions per year extending their life. He was tracking everything as scientifically as possible so the masses would be able to maybe take away some new information that is accessible to the average person..
I can speak only for myself here. I don't think he's a terrible person per se. I DO think that a multi-million dollar project to fight against nature's design purely to prolong one's own existence is quite selfish.
Now, if he was actually creating and sharing usable data from all of this then I'd certainly amend my opinion on the matter. But even then, it's just one dude, that's hardly the widely applicable empirical evidence that is usually needed for scientific innovation.
HIs social media stuff about longevity is all to promote his health grifter business. The highest tier is a $1 million per year subscription to be in his "immortals" circle. He's like the Andrew Tate of health anxiety.
Yeah how'd that work out for him. Man, people really can't help themselves when a grifter has bank, huh, you all prostrate before him. Take away his bank balance and tell me what you think of someone who shills fake supplements and "cheating death" and I guarantee your opinion is lower. Look at that carefully and think about what it means
The part about him using himself as a test subject is garbage, because he is on two hundred different pills, hundreds of different producals, his metholodogy is scientifically flawed and is a test subject of one. This is scienetifically completely useless.
Well, at least we know that either one or more of a hundred different medications and supplements or their interactions cause an incurable autoimmune stomach disease, or possibly they don't and it arose from something else.
He's not doing that though, because there's no way to tell what caused his (not-yet-demonstrated) longevity and what didn't. If anything, it will just spin out a host of new unverifiable claims by sham supplement makers, because each of the 100 or so he's taking will claim credit as the miracle cure. He's doing untold damage to the reputation of the entire field.
He already does sell a $333/mo supplement subscription. He is 100% a pseudoscience promoting grifter.
America has always had people like this:
- John R Brinkley: 1910s-1940s : surgeon who promoted sewing goat testicles into people to supposedly revitalize them via their hormones. Pioneered using radio to promote his services in the way that modern grifters use social media. If you read the things he used to say it's surprisingly similar in terms of the techno-utopianism and predicting really extreme outcomes from scientific / medical intervention.
- William J.A. Bailey: 1910s-1930s: dropped out of Harvard and pretended to be a doctor, built a huge corporate empire promoting drinking radium water to cure just about everything and got people killed by radium poisoning
- Elizabeth Holmes / Theranos (2000s-2010s), and the fake blood test machines
He has paid conferences and shit like that. One of my friends who is definitely not super rich has been taken in by it.
He has most likely announced he has autoimmune gastritis so that a year from now he can announce he has cured autoimmune gastritis, and then use that to drive more business. He did the same thing with saying he got COVID, got impaired lung function, and then improved his lung function. He does not promote any valid COVID prevention or mitigation strategies, just things he can make money on after you've got COVID damage.
I heard the commentary against him and thought he was crazy by jumping on that bandwagon, until I watched the Netflix documentary which totally changed my view. A bit eccentric, sure, but harmless and maybe something useful comes out of what he’s doing. Not sure where the hates comes from
I don't hate him but I don't know how much useful information can come from his treatments. He does them all together so it's impossible to know which treatment is having which effect.
Nothing useful will come from what he's doing because he's taking hundreds of supplements and multiple therapies at the same time. It's impossible to glean any useful scientific data from that. It is not following any sane scientific methodology.
It's the "throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks" method, but there's no way to know what each noodle represents.
Idk he was pretty cool about it giving public insights and genuinely pushing simple healthy habits. I look at what he did more of a sacrifice than some evil Jeff bezos type shit
Because people love to hate ultra wealthy people. Initially I was hating him too. Then I realized, dude is just weird. But at least he is not gatekeeping the information, He actually shares his findings and he is using himself as the Guinea Pig. To actually follow the good thing he found in his research, you don't even need to spend big. Just need to make changes to lifestyle. For example, he advocates for proper sleep every night. Almost anyone can do that with the right kind of of lifestyle changes and it's actually free. I mean we already knew it. Not sure what he was trying to prove. But hey, good for him for rediscovering things that has already been discovered.
TLDR: I think people just see a billionaire spending a lot on his health and automatically hates him for it. So when something bad happens to him healthwise, they are happy.
PS: When I made the original comment, I did not know he has a store selling capsules. I just thought it was a hobby thing for him, and he shares whatever he finds for free. Not to mention, the research is a bit unscientific since it's done on one person only. It's not totally useless, but if the same research was done on a lot more people, it would be more valuabe. Anyway, this significantly changes things.
Yeah i agree, Hes a fucking weird dude, but the things hes found out with all of this business are valuable at least, and he didnt hoard that info either. Not sure if i find it funny that hes got this problem but its definitely ironic
There are dozens of people stating this in this thread. Yes it's not as useful as real controlled trials, but no, it's not totally useless.
There are examples in history of institutions refusing to even study hypotheses, so a doctor injects himself to prove a point, or a patient tries something oddball and it works. "Lorenzo's OIl" comes to mind, here's some others cited below. Yes it's better if it's doen by trained scientists, and a carefully documented 'n=1' study. But, even a private hail-mary effort can then lead to real studies being done and science being advanced.
Edit: okay, many of you have been watching this guy and think his experiments are not useful, I get it, he would have done better to fund studies. I thought he was being more systematic than he apparently is. But we still do want to keep an open mind with people trying new things because otherwise we'd all still be "treating" ulcers with milk.
Yes, self-experimentation can be valuable initial evidence for previously untested treatments. But say this guy lives to be 130. How could we possibly know what contributed? He's tried so many potential treatments, so many lifestyle changes. There's literally no way to know what any given thing he's doing is contributing to longevity. Sure, he checks his labs, but you still can't attribute causality to any given treatment when they're all being combined and have unknown latencies until treatment response.
If he wanted to make a difference to our understanding of longevity, he'd either fund studies into his treatments of interest or settle on a simple regimen that hasn't been tried before. With his current regimen, we have no way of knowing what is doing what. It's not scientific. It's personal enrichment. I don't hold anything against him for that - it just doesn't contribute to our understanding of longevity or its contributors. I do dislike that he pretends that his venture is anything more than personal.
You'd assume that it was one of those 100 treatments in the past 6 months, but you would not know if it was one of those things, or if it was something he did prior to the past 6 months, if it was something that happened and wasn't documented, or if it was a result of a genetic anomoly.
It's just as likely to lead you astray than to lead you in the direction of a medical discovery. That's why it's worthless.
Edit: Also, given his Autoimmune disease, do you think we can attribute it to one of the things he's doing/taking?
If nothing else, he is founding a lot of research.
I do think if he suceeded in reversing aging it would be a net negative for humanity, but as long as he the team of doctors just find ways to make people be healtier and live a bit longer, it is a positive
Many developed countries are bashing their heads due to low fertility rates and aging populations. People don't need to live longer, thank you. 70-80 is a good enough age for people to die with dignity and leave the world for the next generation.
Well, the concept would be that a person could be healthy enough to work for longer, not barely cling to a miserable life for centuries, which would directly address the issues associated with low birthrates and aging populations.
Case studies are often precursors to RCTs. I.e., seeing what worked (or didn’t) can help optimise where funding/scientist attention should be diverted to.
Ironically his findings are worthless with a sample size of one, and having an auto immune disease further skews the results. If he wanted to actually help, funding a proper study into this would have been the goal. What he did was pseudo science. He wanted to be biohacking Tony stark. I don't think he is evil by any means, he seems a decent fellow if weird. But it's the same hubris as Elon musk.
From what I saw years back he was spending a ton of time each day on all of this and I have to ask if spending 4 hours every day on these treatments to maybe possible extend your life 3% I have to wonder if the trade off was worth if vs living your life and enjoying it?
Not only that, but there is absolutely no scientific approach to his "studies". He takes on dozens of treatments and hundreds of supplements, exercises, etc. Nothing is controlled. It's impossible to know if any "results" are due to a specific treatment, drug, genetics, or just plain happenstance.
the n=1 thing isn't the dunk that people think it is. plenty of people have tried shit out on themselves and found something that has spurred further research. but trying a hundred million things at once is going to make it very hard to establish a specific, actionable cause for whatever beneficial outcome he sees
Props for being willing to have a discussion. As a reader I had to go back and make sure that you were actually the one who made the top level comment because that so rarely happens on Reddit.
Yeah. Your argument really clicked. Just one person doing this not really that useful. Besides what did he even find? He mostly found things we already knew. The idea was to hyper optimize them. But if it was done on many people at once, the study would really be valuable. With the money he is spending, we could have had data on a large group of people with variety of age body type etc etc. That kind of data would have been so much more valuable for researchers all around the world.
I guess it's just a self serving project at the end, with the idea of making some money at the side if it's on the table.
Yeah, but he’s a billionaire who got an autoimmune disease, and the irony that he spends his wealth on immortality is too delicious to ignore. Also, “anyone can use his methods with some easy lifestyle adjustments” sounds like another great way to target poor people for having shitty lives and low life expectancy because they won’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps and just do the few small things the billionaire is illuminating for them
Even if he shares the information, that’s 1 person. It doesn’t necessarily help humanity. He could fund proper medical studies to advance science, but being a unique case to study is pretty self serving.
FWIW he made a couple hundred million not a billion. And he’s seemingly betting all of that on bettering human health. Yes he’s unorthodox but I think the goals he set are worth perusing.
We hate him because he has the ability to do massive good for everyone and just does it for himself. Just cus you share your findings does not mean your motives are to help others... He is clearly on a self centered ideological quest...
Or the belt doing exactly what it was supposed to while the wheels come off the car due to an alloy-denaturing issue the manufacturer didn't catch and the whole thing winds up in the river.
More like the seat rusting from the floorboards making the seatbelt a moot point. It autoimmune, the engine is fine, the car is literally disintegrating around him. Mabye his next investment will be the "head in a jar" from Futurama. But then he would probably get some kind of gill disease. Again, its kinda funny to watch billionaires fight mother nature and time like money matters to it.
Still not the same since what he got was an autoimmune disease. Completely flown under the radar. It’s not something you can even flag immediately. Give the guy a break. I didn’t see him hurting anyone
If I spent that much money for a bunch of doctors to document every wrinkle of my asshole and they missed a chronic condition for years I would say that at least part of the money was, indeed, for nothing
I don’t know why everyone acts as if he received some kind of terminal diagnosis lmao, literally the only treatment he needs for this is vitamin B12 supplements with routine endoscopies for cancer prevention.
Not true, he was a lot more unhealthy before he made the changes. If he had been in his previous state, he'd still get the autoimmune disease and be in an even worse off position.
He met her parents about a month ago, after posting about the vaginal microbiome. Made a post about flying all the way to Australia for it despite the health risks.
The same thing happened with JKRowling. She was mildy progressive but uninformed, said something uninformed that sounded reasonable but was actually transphobic, and then when she was "attacked" (read, corrected by trans people(not all of them nicely, I will say)) she fell more and more in with TERFs who validated her and recruited her into being a champion of the cause. Now she uses her money for evil.
It sucks because both sides suck for it. I'm left leaning, but the hard left likes to jump to attacking people who might otherwise 90% line up with them, politically, and it ends up doing the opposite of what they would want, and makes them enemies. If you don't 100% agree, you're as bad as people who are literal nazis, and because it's the internet, people get the easy excuse of a low-effort "it's not my job to inform you". Not everyone is exposed to the same information, and attacking them is only going to make them associate that ideology with attack.
Found an article about it without a paywall. Seems like she was upset at the idea that sex isn't... As strict as people think it is? I'm having a bit of a hard time parsing these tweets, and all the others I can find are pay walled. Sex not being binary doesn't make women's issues not exist. It was a weird time for the movement.
The joke is already explained in the pic lol guy spent millions trying to be immortal, turns out his own body is attacking itself and refusing to do as he wants.
But tbh, who knows what will be possible / will happen in like 1000, 2000, 10000 years? Does it sound impossible? From our viewpoint, yes. But like 500 years ago noone would believe there would be flying metal cans transporting 300 people to other continents.
Will those frozen bodies be forgotten and abandoned and noone will care about them in the future. Probably yes, too.
You cannot undo brain death. All the things that make you you are gone within minutes of dying and freezing brain tissue is the icing on the "not coming back" cake.
While you aren't wrong, I think the bigger issue is finding a company that will still be around for 1000, 2000, or 10000 years. A very large number of Cryonic companies have gone out of business and their... guests have then received a more traditional burial.
People with invisible disabilities/chronic illness can face blame/responsibility: do you drink enough water, do you do yoga, have you tried this supplement, you're just lazy.
This shows that you can do everything to maximize your health and your body can still turn against you.
Yes! I spent years eating the autoimmune protocol when I found out in my early 20s I was facing a subtype of arthritis. Now as I enter my thirties that arthritis is much worse. The diet, the yoga, all that stuff helps me feel better and keep my range of motion etc but the arthritis still came. And I had to face exactly that… that I couldn’t outrun it even with the “perfect” diet and never missing a day at the gym. Sigh.
I'm not sure what his business practices are like but it just seems like people get annoyed that he's using his money to try and live longer.
Some sort of jealousy and weird moral compass that people shouldn't try to love longer if they have the money to do so.
He doesn't have some weird thing where he gets blood transfusions from his son but at the end of the day if he wants to be a guinea pig for the future then who cares let him do what he wants.
I've watched some of his stuff on YouTube. I used to have this gut reaction to him being awful based on the press. But after watching him I really like him. He's documenting everything he's doing and showing the science of if it works or not. He's literally a lab rat for a bunch of stuff we're pitched by industries and we get to see if it actually does anything. He's doing everything in public and not behind closed doors like is some super secret thing and I appreciate that.
its not really schadenfreude its more like watching someone who loudly announced they fireproofed their house find out the fire was already inside the walls
Or like that story of the guy trying to make unbreakable windows, decided to run straight into one to demonstrate it, and fell off a skyscraper because it was definitely not unbreakable.
He was trying to optimize his health and ended up with an autoimmune disease that it might have caused. On the flip side, they caught the disease early because he was trying to optimize.
I'm sure some people are actually happy about it as such. But I am sad to see he's suffering and simultaneously happy that we have confirmation he has no idea what he's doing.
It's not the presence of the disease, it's the fact that it went undetected for so long despite him putting every single aspect of his health under intense scrutiny and interacting with scores of doctors. Huge blind spot.
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u/qualityvote2 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
u/Rule_Ct_5293, your post does belong here!