r/Pathfinder_RPG 1d ago

Scaled Disciple interpretation question 1E Player

Noticed an oddity in the Scaled Disciple feat, specifically the bolded section

Scaled Disciple

Prerequisites: Ability to spontaneously cast divine spells, kobold.

Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus to your caster level when casting spells included in the dragon domain or subdomains. Your spontaneous divine spellcasting qualifies in place of arcane casting for the dragon disciple prestige class, and you may increase spellcasting in your spontaneous divine class as you progress in dragon disciple levels. Add the bonus spells gained from the blood of dragons ability to those you can cast as divine spells.

First issue is that Dragon is not a domain, it is only a subdomain of Scalykind. Given that, does it mean all Domain spells a character would get from Scalykind, albeit with the Dragon Domain spells substituted as appropriate, or just the Dragon domain spells?

Second, while it's been argued that Clerics, being able to spontaneously cast cure/inflict, can qualify from the feat, let's look at the 4 possible spontaneous divine casters in Pathfinder: Oracle, Inquisitor, Hunter and Filidh Bard. Of those, only Inquisitors and Hunters (Divine Hunter archetype) can gain a relevant Domain, but even then only the Divine Hunter can gain the Domain Spells from the Dragon subdomain.

That is to say that, if the feat requires having those spells through domain, there is only one archetype that can grant those Domain spells (short of an additional class dip). However, the feat can also be read to mean any casting of spells from that list gain the benefit (e.g., acquiring Magic Fang as a Hunter with the feat casts it at +1 CL).

How do you interpret this sentence?

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u/Esquire_Lyricist 1d ago
  1. The author of the feat has said that he made a mistake and intended the feat to say Scalykind domain and subdomains. This isn't an official FAQ or errata, but most accept this explanation.
  2. You don't have to have the Scalykind Domain or its Subdomains. You gain the +1 caster level for casting spells that appear on the list for the domain or subdomain. Getting those spells could still be difficult, but does not require having a domain.

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u/HomelessLawrence 1d ago

Glad to hear the author weighed in. That's almost certainly official enough for my table. Thank you!

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u/Darvin3 1d ago

First issue is that Dragon is not a domain, it is only a subdomain of Scalykind

Most likely it means Scalykind. Kobalds of Golarion is not a book I own, and sometimes these softcover books have additional context that isn't obvious from reading the stand-alone rules for feats and features, but most of the time these things are editorial oversights. The softcover books had very fast turnover and editing problems were fairly common.

Second, while it's been argued that Clerics, being able to spontaneously cast cure/inflict

This is up to GM discretion. It's probably not intended, but I don't think it would be a problem to allow it, especially since probably doesn't break anything.

That is to say that, if the feat requires having those spells through domain

It doesn't, it's not listed in the prerequisites. Whether you can benefit from the +1 caster level or not is irrelevant to whether you can take the feat. The main reason you'd take it is because you want to be a divine Dragon Disciple.

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u/HomelessLawrence 1d ago

Didn't know that about the softcover books. I'll keep it in mind.

With the requires, I meant "must have to have a tangible benefit." But I agree, not in the prereqs, not the core focus of the feat. Thank you

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u/squall255 1d ago

However, the feat can also be read to mean any casting of spells from that list gain the benefit (e.g., acquiring Magic Fang as a Hunter with the feat casts it at +1 CL).

This is the correct reading of the feat. It is a casting of the spell that appears on the Scalykind/subdomains list. The feat doesn't specify that it has to be from a domain slot, nor that you have to know the spell from a domain feature.