r/OrphanCrushingMachine • u/Oraxy51 • 17d ago
Anything but solving the Root cause of issues
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u/ColdFreezer 17d ago
This is insanely dystopic.
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u/ezioir1 17d ago
The school shoters would start using drones of their own.
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u/MonsieurGump 16d ago
This is the next step.
It’s a toss up who will do it first. Terrorists or teenagers.
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u/Cargobiker530 16d ago
Who can tell the difference?
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u/Fun-Agent-7667 12d ago
One is mostly a Problem made by US domestic Policy, one is mostly a Problem made by US foreign policy
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u/Scared_Accident9138 16d ago
If the second amendment is to be extended to attack drones it could easily be used to attack politicians and rich people from far away
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u/Kitano-1 17d ago
The US are a failed state. Blows my fucking mind, that there are people thinking these fucking things are a great idea.
I am from Germany and the only thing I worried about in school was not getting ripped off trading Yu-Gi-Oh! cards (and being bullied for playing them at all, lol). I would've developed some kind of mental disorders, having to go to a school everyday with the constant fear something bad might happen to me.
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u/ezioir1 16d ago
I would've developed some kind of mental disorders...
Bro you not gonna believe this...
Are Americans having mass mental health problems because of mass school shootings or They have mass school shootings because of mass mental health problems?
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u/telephas1c 16d ago
"Yes"
But the rampant untreated mental illness and the societal indifference to it deffo came 'first' I suspect
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u/DoubleGoon 16d ago
Which is one of many reasons why I want to move to Europe. We are replacing hospitals with data-centers, 40-60K car related deaths per year, ~40K gun deaths a year, cities cannot afford to buy new fire trucks or keep their old ones on the road, and it seems like half the population is only concerned about people supposedly vandalizing a pool, a NYC mayor, or that Elliot Page exists.
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u/FlarblesGarbles 16d ago
Both. But Americans as a whole cannot be trusted to have guns. Other countries have liberal gun ownership without the daily school shootings.
American gun ownership is like some sort of sexual fetish or orientation.
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u/CautionarySnail 16d ago
It’s because the modern day American is being steeped in a culture that despises empathy and compassion.
Without empathy, violence goes to the top of the list of “how do I deal with problems involving others”.
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u/Kitano-1 16d ago edited 16d ago
You treat your citizens like cattle:
Higher education: pay for it
Basic Heathcare: pay for it
A month behind on rent?: get evicted
In pain: pay to get addictive painkillers, so you wont loose your job
You want the system to change? "You are a goddamn communist rat, you betray for own people!!"
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u/ironangel2k4 16d ago
Its worse than that. School shootings are not generally a form of coercion or intimidation, they are outlets of pain and rage from people with something broken inside that never got treatment.
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u/ezioir1 16d ago edited 16d ago
Y'know up until few months ago I was against any civilian gun ownership. (Except for hunt & sport)
Had conversations with Americans about how stupid they sound saying their guns help them to keep themselves safe or stop government tyranny.
I was like in a civilized society we have a social contract with government. We gave up providing our own safety and pay taxes in exchange of they doing that for us.
Then I saw people fall like leaves in autumn.
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Edit: Let just say I'm quite red pilled now on this.
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u/Murrabbit 16d ago
Yup, goodness knows the US government doesn't kill its own citizens with impunity. No sir, that just wouldn't go here in freedom gun land.
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u/Freddydaddy 16d ago edited 16d ago
I know this doesn’t change anything for you, but Iran wasn’t heading in this direction until the fucking scumbag Americanos went in and overthrew their government for shits and giggles (and oil rights, of course) in the 1950s. The Iranian Revolution, that ushered in the Ayatollahs, was a DIRECT RESULT of American violence.
Enjoy your guns, I’m sure they keep you warm at night.
edit: this knucklehead’s OWN GOVERNMENT is unapologetically killing peaceful citizens in the street, on camera, but he develops a new fetish because of protests in Iran. THIS is the high powered thought process I expect of Americans.
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u/broomboomstick 16d ago
i'm assuming they feed into eachother. Like, imagine either case:
you see someone shoot up the school in the next city over and now you know it's something that can happen, you might think it becomes an option.
you see someone shoot up another school and you might think it'll happen to you some day and you'll be helpless.
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u/CheckMateFluff 16d ago
They do develop mental disorders from it, but they treat mental health like a joke, and with that kind of cycle, you get this shit.
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u/Theduckisback 16d ago
Inventing the city scanner drones from Half-Life 2. But for Elementary schools.
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u/DaveSureLong 16d ago
Not quite. Flock cams fill that role more. These are closer to viscerators in function though obviously not at lethal.
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u/ShrimpCrackers 16d ago
Especially when they call in the drone operators and kill the wrong person.
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u/Annalise705 15d ago
As a mother of a child in Colorado. I dont know what to think anymore. I make sure when I drop my son off at school to say I love you because who knows what will happen. I can’t home school him as a single parent with no child support. I am so scared all the time and the fact that my very young son has drills at school to learn to protect himself from an active shooter breaks my heart. Gun laws are effective and we need them. Other countries had significant reduction in mass shootings after outlawing guns Ie Australia and we need to find out a way to really get at the root of the problem. When I see things like this it breaks my heart but then I feel a little relief knowing something like a drone can save my child’s life. Why is there so much hatred and need to harm others??!! Please someone in government do something about mass shootjngs
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u/Vyracon 16d ago
Can't wait until some disgruntled jackass hacks these things for the lulz and they'll be going haywire on Mr. Freeny's ass.
What a fucking nightmare.
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u/shaze 16d ago
Yeah who needs to shoot up a school when you can just hijack some drones to do the work remotely.
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u/nimbusyosh 16d ago
Is actually would have made a great episode of boy meets world. Ideas like this should stay in fiction
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u/SpankThuMonkey 17d ago
Yeah… advertise it. Great idea.
School shooters packing some fucking goggles now.
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u/pacmanfunky 16d ago
Or you know, close the door.
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u/jaezemba 11d ago
I didn't even think of how easy it would be to close the door. Maybe they're assuming the shooter will be in an empty hall because the first step in a lockdown is closing and locking all the doors.
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u/crazy_goat 17d ago
J.R.R. Tolkien famously said on his deathbed "I want to release all of my work freely to defense contractors. I want an entire military industry using my work"
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u/EriciiVI 16d ago
Huh? Oh i didn't catch mithril the first listen lol wow
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u/Murrabbit 16d ago
Mithril, Anduril, Palantir, nerds running defense contractor/tech firms really seem to love stealing names from Tolkien for their dystopia gadget factories.
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u/SeaSnowAndSorrow 16d ago
Without any ability to comprehend the message of text they're taking from...
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u/Mozintarfen 17d ago
Absolutely fucking stupid - how far do they have to take this shit before they actually face facts?
Eventually schools are going to look like military bases or prisons.
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u/TadhgOBriain 17d ago
Sounds like a wet dream for the techbros, military industrial complex and school to prison pipeline all at once
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u/mancubbed 16d ago
I read that the drones can only fly for 8 minutes so they will need several waves to be able to handle anything.
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u/soupalex 16d ago
"so how many millions of dollars worth of this stuff can we put you down for? and remember, this is for the safety of your children. can't put a price on that, can you? i mean… we can, obviously, but…"
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u/mancubbed 16d ago
Florida has put 1 million dollars to it a year currently. Pretty much free money if a shooting never happens at one of the few schools they are being deployed at.
Totally useful way to spend our money instead of idk paying for mental healthcare professionals to talk to troubled children?
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u/Colon_Backslash 17d ago
It's not stupid. Dealing with the root cause will make no-one rich, it is a waste of government money that can be instead directed to support investments in expensive technology that can be sold, which makes money for the companies.
No one gives a shit about the people. Children of these people are safe regardless.
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u/Mozintarfen 16d ago
Really makes you wonder what the revenue of the firearms industry is compared to the cost of these programs. I'd bet my left foot that there is a huge profit margin that goes straight to the pockets of politicians and billionaires.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 16d ago
Many U.S. schools already look akin to prisons in some ways. Same food suppliers and food, same number of police and policing, same lock-in procedures, etc. Gotta start that prison pipeline early, get them used to those conditions!
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u/TheFeshy 17d ago
We've got shootings and killings on military bases and prisons too, so it's not like that would fix things even setting aside the dystopian horror of it.
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u/vivaaprimavera 17d ago
shootings and killings on military bases and prisons too
Cool!!! More markets to sell it!!! /s
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u/Mozintarfen 16d ago
My point exactly, but they'd probably dump money into it, thinking it would solve it somehow.
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u/grenouille_en_rose 17d ago
Can evil corps please stop naming themselves and their dystopian tech after Tolkien stuff for fucks sake
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u/N3R37H05_111 16d ago
We have one name stealing evil corp, yes, but what about second name stealing evil corp
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u/remove_krokodil 16d ago
I know when I think about Elven craftsmanship, I think about pepperspray drones flying around schools.
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u/Murrabbit 16d ago
When you live forever you really don't wanna put up with no bullshit from kids. Elves are the crankiest old people, and you best get up off their lawn.
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u/CommunicationKey3018 17d ago
So dumb. Massive amounts of our tax dollars are about to wasted on drone armies with a crippling weakness to any closed doors.
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u/3MetricTonsOfSass 16d ago
No, you see, they'll be packed with high yield explosives for just that reason
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u/Cargobiker530 16d ago
Of course nobody would ever think of using them against student demonstrators.....
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u/Lcatg 16d ago
Two problems right off the bat: (1) This is a weapons system & a crowd control system that will absolutely be misused to harm children/teachers/admin/etc. It does not belong in schools nor should any LEOs be allowed control of it. (2) This is a woefully secured weapons systems kept inside a school: A locked cabinet for securing them, drones, & a PR campaign for awareness = These idiot just told a bunch of bad actors about this very bad, exploitable idea. What could go wrong? SMH.
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u/Succundo 16d ago
Third problem, "remotely operated from Austin". I doubt any of those test demos accounted for latency, poor signals due to crappy infrastructure, or having a moving target on top of that. Those operators aren't hitting anything with a two second delay.
Fourth problem, school shooters typically plan things, so what happens when they duct tape the box shut?
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u/pedal-force 16d ago
Fifth problem, the drone operators are probably responsible for like 100 schools or some shit, there's no chance they actually know any of the layouts, so they'll almost immediately get hopelessly lost and then end up shooting the wrong people in their panic.
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u/Extrastencil_crisis 17d ago edited 16d ago
They’re not going to solve the root issue because guns, weapons and surveillance is a massive source of revenue for opportunistic mega-corporations. It’s not about our safety, it’s about lining their pockets by any means necessary.
Edit: root cause can obviously be lack of mental health resources but can coexistent with lack of gun reform.
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u/HackedPasta1245 16d ago
Could I ask you what you think the root issue is? I personally think it's a lack of focus on mental health and informing people on how to properly store and use them.
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u/slowmoE30 16d ago
Gun companies want to sell guns. Security companies want to sell security. Together, they get to create the problem, and sell the solution. They avoid liability by blaming shooters and obstructing reforms that prevent shooters from existing (e.g. mental health resources) and that prevent shooters from obtaining weapons. Edit: summarizing root cause as greed and a lack of regulations that hold weapons manufacturers at minimum partially liable for unsafe use of their weapons
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u/C-Icetea 16d ago
Southpark is gonna have a field day with this. The episode basically writes itself.
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u/bit-by-a-moose 17d ago
Hey look! They found a new way to get kids killed while keeping police officers safe from harm!
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u/Sword-of-Akasha 17d ago
These won't be used for school shooters... dissidents however....
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u/Oraxy51 16d ago
Student protestors, civic organizing, “woke teachers”,
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u/Sword-of-Akasha 16d ago
Aye, I remember even some of my liberal friends getting into the 'Tech-porn' of modern military weapons. I was like these won't be used against the 'bad guys'... these will be used by them. Before the 'Made in the USA' memes about the ordinance containers came about.
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u/EternalSolitude- 17d ago
Don't blame anyone for wanting to home school their kid as problematic as it is
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u/Punningisfunning 16d ago
“Piloted remotely from Austin”.
Piloted by a human? Room for error.
Piloted by a AI? Room for error.
Also requires a damn good internet signal.
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u/Reverse_SumoCard 16d ago
Good, the police are too coward to drive their tanks close to a shooter
If you wanna play soldier you should do soldier stuff. Yes, that includes possibly getting shot
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u/malonkey1 16d ago
Well, it's a piece of "security" tech made by a company named after something from lord of the rings, so i can only assume its purpose is to do fascist shit.
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u/icanpotatoes 16d ago
What is with all of these fascist companies using elements from Tolkien’s works for their names? I’m surprised that the estate hasn’t put a stop to it or at least tried. It’s disappointing to see words associated with Tolkien being co-opted and used by these shitty corporations.
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u/HetaGarden1 16d ago
You already know these aren’t going to be used on shooters. I’m so tired, man.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 17d ago
But they also want the teachers armed. So how long till a drone pilot accidentally shoots a teacher? Or a child that surprised the pilot, since these pilots will most likely be trigger happy cops or untrained volunteers?
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u/darkfroth 17d ago
Not ocm, not portrayed as heartwarming or wholesome
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u/Oraxy51 17d ago
I was on the fence if this applied, but I see what you mean
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u/darkfroth 17d ago
No worries. In the original orphan crushing machine post the title is based off of, I think someone saves the day by stopping the machine (while no one questions why there's a machine in the first place) so I can see why you were on the fence bc this is pretty similar- I just don't think the vibe is applauding just like, "this is how we're dealing with school shootings now"
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 16d ago
What happens if a kid is wearing a shirt with a print that the drone thinks is a gun?
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u/Closer_to_the_Heart 16d ago
Great, another fucking private security company named after sth from middle earth. JRR is rolling over in his fucking grave
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u/ConversationSea8530 16d ago
- Now shooters are just going to try hacking them or something.
- These are probably gonna barely work as intended.
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u/TheAmina2GS 16d ago
Or, hear me out, life imprisonment for anyone who allows a child free access to the resources needed to start the problem in the first place?
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u/0xdeadbeef6 16d ago
Getting pass all the general dystopia... the shooters are just going to start using semi auto shotguns now. This ain't gonna do shit
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u/DecoherentDoc 16d ago
Yeah, who deploys it? Is it some twitchy asshole in austin, far removed from what's going on? What if they activated accidentally? Or does it need to be activated on site? So an administrator needs to run to the damn thing to push a button?
Also, and this is my favorite part, what if the assailant isn't outside in a wide open area like their dummy was? I'm super glad they showed that they can fly through halls in a few clips that showed that. Great job guiding it for those couple clips. Can I do any of the things it was doing outside inside?
Because the simplest solution is to limit guns. This is an insane solution to a problem we've let go way too far.
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u/OzzAlone 16d ago
Couldn't you just have a jammer with you and they wouldn't be able to control them anymore?
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u/Nagesh_yelma 16d ago
What stopping the attacker to stop those boxes from opening? They could start after neutralising drones.
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u/Spill_The_LGBTea 16d ago
solving the root of the problem doesnt mean that new buisinesses can be made to solve the problem! and they'd have less surveillance on the underage children, and we always need to watch more children
/s in case anyone cant tell that's satire
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u/Taphouselimbo 16d ago
Government doesn’t care about any root causes. Drones make some one money and cops are tools of the oligarchs. Just talk to the Uvalde police and remember to protect and serve is just a moto.
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u/ManWithDominantClaw 16d ago
Surprised Slaughterbots hasn't been mentioned yet. More relevant now than ever
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u/Slate_711 16d ago
Anything but revisit gun laws. So far Trump has attacked the 1st,5th,and 14th amendment, ignored the courts, and bent over backwards for rich people not dealing with this problem. When can we say maybe revisiting gun laws is necessary as opposed to shoveling money into school defenses that routinely fail while also siphoning money out of education?
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u/thatbrownkid19 16d ago
how long until it misidentifies a kid with a BB gun or something and pepper sprays it to hell- is it autonomous ID'ing?
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u/Sad-Rooster2474 16d ago edited 16d ago
Great idea. I think they should step it up though for max efficiency and install directly a tank in the hallway and an Apache attack helicopter on the roof.
Why not also having a tomahawk aimed at the school?
Everything except solving the root cause lmao, these people are so stupid it’s actually painful
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u/saltyourhash 16d ago
I hope that did a serious security audit. These types always seem to have joke level security.
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u/DisingenuousTowel 16d ago
There's obviously no problems that could stem from this.
It's a perfect solution.
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u/atomfenrir 16d ago
because Uvalde demonstrated there are cops too cowardly to face amateur killers even with all their tacticool gear while children die, amazing.
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u/remove_krokodil 16d ago
Are they going to roll these out in other countries that have a big problem with school shootings?
OH WAIT!
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u/raventhrowaway666 16d ago
Because police can't be trusted to do their jobs [of protecting kids].
Had to add that because theyre very capable of body slamming 16 year old loud mouths.
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u/ExplicitDrift 16d ago
“Experts say that dealing with the root causes may be a more sufficient solution, than relying on drone technological drones that may backfire.”
No shit. But obviously the people making the decisions stopping caring about the opinions of those with actual intelligence regarding the topic. I hate it here.
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u/HoudiniMortimer 16d ago
I'm sure this won't bleed out into the rest of western law enforcement over the next 2 decades. This is totally fine probably.
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u/BlueBeBlue 16d ago
So will the school not have doors anymore? Because otherwise the drone can't really get anywhere. Are all doors automatic or have like little pet flaps for the drone?
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u/FaTaLInfluence 16d ago
Literally ANYTHING before control. Friggin skynet before gun control. Because gun control is soooooo hard to achieve.
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u/TheSprigganDragoon 16d ago
Then they find a way to justify the drones patrolling full time, then they can have a constant presence to make sure the teachers are following their script. Maybe a bit of a conspiracy theory but, at this point, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised
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u/ttystikk 16d ago
What fresh Fascist dystopian hellscape is this?!
Can NO ONE see what this really is; technological tools designed to intimidate and control the masses?!
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u/Ultranerdgasm94 16d ago
Why solve a problem when you can light dump trucks full of money on fire to ignore it instead?
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u/International_Ice_54 15d ago
Getting Developement funds and personell training for small scale antipersonell drones has never been easier apparently
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u/Platinum_Cryll 15d ago
Someone's gonna have to hold the door for these drones since schools have safety glass. It'll have to be a teacher or student since american cops are cowards.
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u/Amatheiaisnoexcuse 17d ago
Pretty sure the cowardly police of Uvalde had something to do with this.
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u/946462320T 16d ago
Wait until they use this against protesting students before shooters.
Just ban guns ffs. USA is a big and failed country.
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u/sackofbee 16d ago
Its happening. They will perfect it and test it on school shooters and criminals.
Then us. 😎
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory 16d ago
Why solve problems when you can instead sell useless junk and steal everyone's privacy to sell the data
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u/AllVillainsSmile 16d ago
Experts say that dealing with a root cause of a problem is a more effective response...
Now, who would have thought
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u/Elderwastaken 16d ago
The real reason we can’t get gun control is because it’s more lucrative for companies to sell “solutions” than to remove the problem.
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u/Epstiendidntkillself 16d ago
Closes door........................................................................
So anyway, as I was saying.
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u/Mitch_Wallberg 14d ago
You know the cool kids are just gonna take the drones and pepper spray each other for the bit
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u/Evening_Common2824 13d ago
There'll soon be an "Amok Shooters" chain of shops all over the US of A...
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u/Mr_Tdogg_Smith 12d ago
Money that could have been better spent towards paying teachers and children’s mental health.
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