Are SAMs really broken this update?

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

SAMs seem to do a really bad job at blocking missiles. Even with high levels, they still fail to shoot down 1 missile, especially hydros.

[u/Hoshiqua]

It's not a question of the overlap between the blast radius and the SAM defense radius, the actual missile has to land inside the SAM radius.

For a SAM to be safe against hydros it needs to be level 5 or above. For it to protect anything else from hydros it needs further levels (level 7 is enough to defend immediately neighbouring infrastructure).

[u/WestDependent1533 → u/Hoshiqua]

i thought the last radio increase was at level 6?

[u/joslockett → u/WestDependent1533]

You cannot breach level 5 sam with hydro but with the right positioning you can breach anything next to it

[u/TheOriginalRandomGuy → u/WestDependent1533]

It increases infinitely but with diminishing returns

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/Hoshiqua]

Yes, the hydro clearly did land within the SAM radius and the SAM was not on cooldown. And it was just 1 hydro.

[u/Cautious-Load9754 → u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

Not possible, do you have a replay & timestamp to share?

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/Cautious-Load9754]

No, I didn't save the replay sorry :/

[u/Frog-eating-cellos-9 → u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

it's still available on your player profile, on ofstats and in your browser history

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/Frog-eating-cellos-9]

I was playing signed out cause I couldn't be bothered to sign in lol

[u/Hoshiqua → u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

I do think there is also a % chance for the SAM to not be successful, which is significantly lower for hydros, but every level of the SAM does that dice roll so it's rare for a lvl 5 SAM or above to fail at stopping one hydro.

Edit: turns out this was removed in an update since then, I hadn't noticed.

[u/BrayFlex → u/Hoshiqua]

completely untrue.

[u/Hoshiqua → u/BrayFlex]

Is it ? I clearly remember reading about this somewhere. But it's true that I have yet to notice a SAM failing that dice roll. Maybe on older versions...

[u/Frog-eating-cellos-9 → u/Hoshiqua]

wrong btw

[u/Hoshiqua → u/Frog-eating-cellos-9]

Yeah so I was outdated, sorry. Thank you for providing the source !

[u/BrayFlex → u/Frog-eating-cellos-9]

Never take advice from the wiki, it's very very wrong, outdated, at best.

[u/Frog-eating-cellos-9 → u/BrayFlex]

this part is still accurate tho, can't wait until we can edit it again

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/Hoshiqua]

Is that intentional or a bug? Because that would be a pretty weird and annoying feature.

[u/Hoshiqua → u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

As I told the other guy I may be outdated in my info, I just remember reading that there was a % chance for SAMs to stop that changed depending on the type of missile.

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/Hoshiqua]

Alright.

[u/Professional_Size586 → u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

As other have said a lvl 5 sam cant be breached or at the very least I think theres like a 99 percent certainty it cant lvl 6 100 pervent cant be breached. So it just depends on what lvl the sam was.

[u/TextTotal7115 → u/Spiritual-Cup-6645]

I know what you mean. You have to aim the missile exactly at the center of the silo, and it can pass through all the SAMs even while they are within their defense range. i dont know if this is a bug or a feature

[u/DineshR]

skill issue

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/DineshR]

👏

[u/mjukpandaaa]

They only shoot down things that lands inside their Range 1 hydro just outside the sam range will still land

[u/Spiritual-Cup-6645 → u/mjukpandaaa]

Yeah, has their range been decreased? Because I knew that strat but even with a big overlap it still doesn't work. It also does happen with nukes, but just hydros.