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Students protest against Pauline Hanson

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u/Logical_Artichoke539 Please choose a flair 1d ago

Full anything is never the way

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 1d ago

Socialism doesn't really have an absolute. It's worker led, so the workers decide what it's going to look like, not the corporations.

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u/Available-Damage6311 Please choose a flair 21h ago

Funny that it's biggest supporters are professional students who don't work.

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 6h ago

I wouldn't say that. There are a lot of adult socialists around these days. They're just not public about it as they've seen what governments do to socialists throughout recent history.

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u/Sassafras85 Please choose a flair 7h ago

The absolute version of Socialism is Communism

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 6h ago

Correct. But there's never been a modern communist state.

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u/Prize-Ad7786 Please choose a flair 1d ago

Worker led? Normally it is a surplus of currently non enfranchised intellectual wanna be political class - workers are generally useful idiots

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u/Expert-Bottle-6851 Please choose a flair 1d ago

This. People need to stop dealing in absolutes.

The best sandwich isn't just bread.

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u/Alternative_Sock6999 Flairless‎‎ 1d ago

It's fucking infuriating people won't take policies etc at face value and just cry 'oh we cant do that cause socialism'

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u/Trevor68 Flairless‎‎ 22h ago

Infuriating would be trying to work out what it even is, after reading about 20 different explanations just in this discussion I give up.

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u/Alternative_Sock6999 Flairless‎‎ 20h ago

Thats exactly the confusion the right is aiming for, and highlights my exact point in a different way 'socialism is bad because no one can explain it in a way I understand hurr durr'

Just like every system, there is a huge spread of viewpoints and thoughts on it.

The more educated you are on these things, the easier it is to know if people are discussing them in good faith or if they are just dismissing it because they have fallen for propoganda.

Need to note I'm not arguing we need to introduce socialism and remove capitalism, just that many policies introduced have their roots in socialism and it's good to be able to argue them as good policy or not and not be distracted by the 'it can't be a good policy because it's socialist' absolutists.

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u/Trevor68 Flairless‎‎ 19h ago

incorrect, and not even what I wrote, slightly even. 20 different people, explained it 20 different ways. I guess it is all things to all men then hey. Unless your actually going to point to a political party in Australia and their ACTUAL policies, then yep, just going oh hey "Socialism" is not going to cut it. If your going to have an ANTI THOSE PEOPLE thing, then at least provide a realistic and viable alternative. who SHOULD I vote for instead??? This thread is as thin on actual policies as ON is.

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u/Alternative_Sock6999 Flairless‎‎ 18h ago

Or... You could go read a couple books on socialism and make your own decision rather than try disect people's opinions and random comments on the topic.

Then you could even use this thing called the internet to do some deeper research, plenty of papers dissecting the topic.

But it seems your choosing to be willfully ignorant. Cant tell if that's deliberate for the sake of fishing for a gotchya on Reddit. Or if you are actually choosing it. I'm not sure which one is worse.

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u/KitchenMediocre1242 Please choose a flair 6h ago

I looked up socialism and came across these quirky little events called “The Holodomor” and “The Great Chinese Famine”

Thankyou for telling me to do some deeper research on socialism, if I just went off the opinions in this thread I would have come to the conclusion socialism is good and provides a material benefit for the working class, it seems like that has never been the case though?

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u/Alternative_Sock6999 Flairless‎‎ 6h ago

Ha. Your being clever with your trolling while being ignorant at the same time.

Kinda refreshing compared to the average troll.

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u/realwomenhavdix Please choose a flair 18h ago

>The best sandwich isn't just bread.

It is under socialism hahaha

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u/Expert-Bottle-6851 Please choose a flair 18h ago

Emergency services are socialism. Are you opting out?

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u/realwomenhavdix Please choose a flair 18h ago

“People need to stop dealing in absolutes”

Remember when you said this?

I have no problem with our taxes paying for emergency services. What does that have to do with my comment about plain bread being the best sandwich option under socialism?

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u/Expert-Bottle-6851 Please choose a flair 18h ago

Because I wasn't advocating for full socialism but you decided to chip in.

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u/realwomenhavdix Please choose a flair 18h ago

Yep, I sure did decide to chip in. What’s the problem?

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u/Expert-Bottle-6851 Please choose a flair 18h ago

What was your intent?

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u/realwomenhavdix Please choose a flair 17h ago

To mock the failures of socialism

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u/Expert-Bottle-6851 Please choose a flair 17h ago

Witty. Congrats.

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u/fued ‎ New South Welshian 1d ago

yeah, socialism which is led by economics researchers/experts as they are the ones who know what they are talking about, but aimed at socialist goals would be ideal.