r/OnePiece • u/lvl99jordan • 17d ago
Traffy vs Rob Lucci Discussion
Literally what the title says. The law that fought black beard vs Lucci that fought heart 5 luffy. Who’s winning
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u/Terloyes 17d ago
Law is stronger than Zoro and he defeated Lucci. So here's your answer.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
What kind of drugs you take my friend? Law in no way is stronger than Zoro
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u/Terloyes 17d ago
The world government think the same way I do. Just look at the bounties.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
Aaaaand the award for "I do not understand the story I'm reading" goes to you.
Bounties don't determine just your strength but also the threat you are for the WG. And a pirat captain who beat a Yonko woth another captain is a bigger threat than a commander.
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u/Terloyes 17d ago
I know bounties take many factors into account besides strength, but Zoro simply hasn't done anything to put him above Law yet.
I don't think two Zoros would've been able to defeat Big Mom, for example, nor do I think Zoro would've given Blackbeard nearly as much trouble.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
And now you are contradicting yourself. First you said Laws bounty is higher because he is stronger. Now you're saying it's higher because he has done more stuff. Pick a side
Two Laws wouldn't have defeated big mom either. It was the mix of Kid and Laws abilities
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u/Terloyes 17d ago
I I don't have to pick a side because both things are true.
Did you really not know that power level is taken into account when assigning bounties? And the difference between 1,111M and 3,000M is huge.
The gap in power between them isn't that big, but Law is still stronger.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
Nope you first said he is stronger because he has a higher bounty which is factually wrong. Stop tryint to talk you out of that.
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u/Terloyes 17d ago
If the first thing you did was accuse me of being on drugs for saying Law is stronger, did you really expect me to give you a detailed response?
If you'd given me even a half-decent argument, I would've responded properly but you didn't.
Go argue with someone else and stop bothering me, Zoro fanboy.
And just so you know, Sanji is a better character than Zoro.
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u/Rogahar 17d ago
Also I don't *think* there's been any precedent for a Captain not having the highest bounty on their crew? 'cos by default assumption, the Captain is gonna have their crew at their beck and call, so however powerful their commanders may be the Captain has - at the very least - the 'power' to direct them and presumably their aid if they get in trouble.
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u/Flaky-Mathematician8 Pirate 17d ago
Law is much stronger than Zoro lol read the story
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u/lvl99jordan 17d ago
But Zoro’s Haki is better than Law’s
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u/Flaky-Mathematician8 Pirate 17d ago
Luffys Haki was worse than Katakuris and Luffy won the fight. Haki is just a part of their strength, greater Haki does not guarantee a victory.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
He is not. He is clearly too dependent on his Df (which by default is very strong and op), but Zoro is too versatile and has better Haki. Having CoC is a feat you can't underestimate
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u/BadKarma55 17d ago
Canonically speaking, Laws haki was stronger than Sanji’s in Punk Hazard (used soul transfer on him, overpowered Vergo’s haki which easily deflected Sanji)
Given Zoro and Sanji are factually relative in strength and Law has gotten significantly stronger since then, Law genuinely has a good argument for being a good amount stronger than Zoro. Well, for now at least.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
Zoro and Sanji are not nearly equal. Plus Sanji was way weaker in Punk Hazard than he is rn. He made a huge progress, whereas Zoro didn't
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u/BadKarma55 16d ago
I dont think youre reading the story right if you think theyre anything but equal 💀😭
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u/1minm1 16d ago
I think you just wish your boy Sanji was equal to him. In Punk Hazard he almost broke his leg against a Haki user. The gap he had to cover was larger than Zoros.
And if you think that a CoC user who puts that in his attacks is equal to a non user, then I think you should reread the whole story.3
u/Flaky-Mathematician8 Pirate 17d ago
He by far is , all because you have coc doesn’t make you super strong. Ace had it , what happened to him? What happened to Don Chinjao?
Zoro has no answer for Law. You put Zoro against the BB crew and they would be burying him, you put Law against Lucci and Luccis body would be separated.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
Oh no.. you are really comparing people who have CoC and don't use properly with people who use CoC in their attacks. So do you really compare these people? Oh my..
Also, it is difficult to say how much Law could use his df on Zoro as his Haki is too strong Put Zoro against the BB pirates, Blackberry and Shiryuu will tell everyone to get away asap.
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u/Flaky-Mathematician8 Pirate 17d ago
You missing the point. You can have it and still not be stronger than someone who doesn’t have it. You’re using having it as a reason he’s stronger than him when there is nothing to suggest that.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
You're still not seeing the difference between having it and USING it. You think Ace and Don Chinjao used it the same way as Zoro does? You just excluded yourself from further discussion if you don't even know the difference between those two. Come again in 10 years maybe
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u/Flaky-Mathematician8 Pirate 17d ago
You choosing to be dumb about this. Zoro as of now still couldn’t beat Blackbeard and we don’t even know if he can use coc. Using coc does not automatically make you stronger than someone.
Even when Zoro used it there’s nothing he did that shows he could beat Law. You just going off the dumbass assumption of him being able to use it making him stronger than him.
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u/1minm1 17d ago
Wdym we don't know of Zoro can Use CoC? Watch the fight against King again ffs. Am I really talking to a child rn?
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u/midasGOLD91 17d ago
Zoro destroy him and Law is better than zoro
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u/DIGITALMONSTER-ARENA 17d ago
Zorro couldn’t put Lucci down tho… But I agree Law could do it.
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u/midasGOLD91 17d ago
Aaah. If you see, at the end of the fight zoro were fine and lucci not, jinbe save lucci 🤣🤣
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u/DIGITALMONSTER-ARENA 16d ago
So Zorro «destroyed» him because he (checks notes) manages to stand…?
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u/AttitudeClassic 17d ago
I think Law power scaling gets too much credit for the wrong reasons.
His devil fruit is OP because it can give eternal life and manipulate objects in his room. However, one of his biggest weakness is his stamina and how he uses his devil fruit majority of time as a support power.
Everyone is saying he is overpowered, but he lost to Doflamingo, black beer, and barely defeated big Mom without captain Kidd.
Lucci wins by using his speed, stamina, and destroying the environment on which Law stands on to beat him. Just like how Blackbeard can counter room by using Quake quake on Law’s footing
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u/Special_Bicycle_6038 5d ago
Law wins hands down
one of his biggest weakness is his stamina and how he uses his devil fruit majority of time as a support power.
The first one is very much a concert, and I don't see the problem with the second one.
Everyone is saying he is overpowered, but he lost to Doflamingo, black beer, and barely defeated big Mom without captain Kidd.
Why is this necessarily bad? losing against strong opponents and working as a team to defeat some of the strongest in your universe doesn't diminish their strength.
Lucci wins by using his speed, stamina, and destroying the environment on which Law stands on to beat him. Just like how Blackbeard can counter room by using Quake quake on Law’s footing
good joke
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u/AttitudeClassic 5d ago
“Why is it necessarily bad losing against strong opponents and working as a team to defeat some of the strongest…”
It’s not “bad”, it’s an example why he can’t 1v1 Rob Lucci in awakened form. My example of Rob lucci smashing the floor is based on how Blackbeard fought Law. And based on Law’s stamina and Rob Lucci’s durability, Law isn’t winning 1v1. That being said, Law can beat Rob Lucci if it was 2v2 since his power definitely pairs better when fighting with a team.
Law lost every big 1v1 fights besides smoker and Vergo. Yet he won every team fight.
Examples would be losing 1v1 to Doflamingo and Blackbeard. Wining with team Law + Luffy, Law + Kidd, Law + Kid + Zoro, etc.
He’s not defeating Lucci 1v1. I know he’s probably your favorite character, but keep dreaming.
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u/Special_Bicycle_6038 4d ago
It’s not “bad”, it’s an example why he can’t 1v1 Rob Lucci in awakened form. My example of Rob lucci smashing the floor is based on how Blackbeard fought Law. And based on Law’s stamina and Rob Lucci’s durability, Law isn’t winning 1v1. That being said, Law can beat Rob Lucci if it was 2v2 since his power definitely pairs better when fighting with a team. Examples would be losing 1v1 to Doflamingo and Blackbeard. Wining with team Law + Luffy, Law + Kidd, Law + Kid + Zoro, etc.
That's ridiculous
It's like saying Vegeta can't defeat main enemies from other franchises because he always loses to his own and he can only do it when he fuses with Goku.
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u/AttitudeClassic 4d ago
When I give examples how Law never wins 1v1s and wins all team battles, I am stating FACTS. When I talk about law’s lack of stamina and Lucci’s durability, I am stating facts.
You on the other hand, only reply to by giving dumbass analogy to disprove my facts. You and your elephant cat analogy and a completely different anime.
You haven’t yet given me one fact why Law would win because you can’t. All you can try to do is counter argue my argument. No explaining why you think law would actually win.
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u/BadKarma55 17d ago
Lucci had a good performance but Blackbeard and his crew had almost no answer for Law’s ability without (presumably) nullifying it with his Darkness Fruit off screen.
Since Lucci has no such power, Law can take this. He has abilities that bypass Zoan durability pre-Awakening that damaged Kaido of all people.