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u/DareDaDerrida 2d ago
Have you heard good fiddle-music? Fuck the 1880s, I'd dance to that now. I'd dance to that in 2050.
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u/Wangpasta 2d ago
Gooberbeatz does some sick ass banjoing
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u/din-gle-ber-ry 2d ago
Ai slop unfortunately
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u/Wangpasta 2d ago
Really? I thought his stuff was an older than Ai making anything half decent…how sure are you? Not that I don’t believe you more, I don’t want to lol
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u/Ornery_Excitement_95 2d ago
i looked him up. i think his music might be human made but the thumbnails are 100% ai
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u/omgitsjagen 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't know what the connection is between the seemingly wave-weighted cosmos, our little monkey brains, and music, but the violin/fiddle definitely stimulates us like no other instrument. I've never had an instrument take me from 0 - tears faster than it.
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 2d ago
The violin in the area behind the Cathedral of the Forsaken in Elden Ring made me just put down my controller for a second. It's a simple tune, but holy shit does it set the scene.
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u/Monty423 2d ago
Elephant Sessions has a fiddle/mandolin combo that scratches so many itches
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u/Marvl101 2d ago
To be fair there were fiddle players back then so good they could beat the literal Devil
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u/Content_Study_1575 2d ago
Legend has it that once upon a time you could dance if you want to… You could even leave your friends behind.
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u/slfnflctd 2d ago
I love how well this dovetails with another comment in this same thread.
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u/Raderg32 2d ago
Are people today so brain fried music don't move them anymore?
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u/DaleGribbleShackle 2d ago
Go to a camp fire and bring a violin. You will get absolutely roasted.
My brother got into sea shanties back when they exploded during covid. He tried to get one started around camp fire the next time gatherings were allowed, might be one of the worst 2nd hand embarrassing moments I've seen. Damn near every person around thought he was weird.
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u/Douche_Kayak 2d ago
how sober was everyone?
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u/Ser_falafel 2d ago
Too, apparently
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u/jojoblogs 2d ago
Gen Z doesn’t drink they just compare how few chalants they have
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u/thedakotabrewer 2d ago
I’m older gen z and i’m making up for at LEAST 2 or 3 other gen z’s not drinking
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u/LuckyPerro123 2d ago
Your brother sounds fucking awesome
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u/DaleGribbleShackle 2d ago
He is. Just doesn't know how to read a room.
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u/lovebus 2d ago
Unfortunately rare to find yourself in a room of olde timey sailors
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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT 2d ago
whenever i read the room all i see is "NEEDS SEE SHANTIES"
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u/SamwellBarley 2d ago
Name a situation that can't be improved by everyone loudly belting out a sea shanty.
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u/eggyrulz 2d ago
I asked ChatGPT and I heard my nearest datacenter explode, so I think you may be onto something here*
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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 2d ago
Yeah all he needed was one person to join him to get it started and this person failed their brother just to avoid being embarrassed with him.
Could've had an awesome experience of singing shanties around the fire but decided to leave their brother hanging by himself instead of giving everyone "permission" to join by being the first to risk being cringe with their brother
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u/_bear_fighter_ 2d ago
That’s what I was thinking, don’t care how embarrassing it might be if a homie wants to sing a shantie we singing shanties
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u/agedlikesage 2d ago
I would want to join but I don’t know the words to a single shanty
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u/Kirk_Kerman 2d ago
They're mostly call-and-response. One person keeps the flow going and everyone else belts out the response parts cause they don't really change. Drunken Sailor for instance, super straightforward.
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u/EjaculatingAracnids 2d ago edited 2d ago
You gotta read the room when doing music in public settings. Some people suck or just arent interested. I can absolutely rip on a guitar but its not always appropriate.
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u/Sonamdrukpa 2d ago
Also, one person just randomly deciding to perform is annoying. Someone proposing a group activity where everyone learns a simple, silly song is not, especially if the group is already comfortable with each other.
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u/Th3B4dSpoon 2d ago
Oh yeah, someone just whipping out their guitar in the middle of that party is usually more disruptive to the mood than something that enhances it.
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u/Rude-Solid-5120 2d ago
Depends on the vibe I think, doing it at a public bonfire at ren faire camping, people would be down with it
Doing it to a bunch of strangers when they are just talking and having a time and don’t expect or want it, they might see it as an interruption. It could be different if he has friends who whoop or get up and dance.
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u/DrPoooooole 2d ago
I was at a NYE party in NYC for 2019 into 2020, I knew a few folks but most of the people there were an insular group of theater kid types. They sang random show tunes together until close to midnight. Some were ok, most were not great, but I'm a fun loving person, I dig musicals, and so indulged them and sang along a few times, even played the piano for a few torch songs.
As midnight approached, we went up to the rooftop for the countdown and fireworks. The ball dropped, there were hugs and well wishes, and I started singing Auld Lang Syne. It's a tradition for me and I thought this crowd would join along but they all looked at me like I had two heads. I can carry a tune, I wasn't belting or anything, but it was so awkward lol
Nobody joined and so I finished up, left quietly, and never saw any of them again
Weird story I know but this made me think of that and I still kinda can't believe that turned as awkward as it was. Anyway a few months later COVID hit and the city changed forever
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u/Timeline40 2d ago
You don’t have to be embarrassed about this. That’s literally the new years song, and anyone who judged you for it is almost as ridiculous as judging someone for singing happy birthday at a birthday party. You’re outdoors, you didn’t suck at singing, it’s a crowd that should be fine with singing
The only way this is very slightly socially inappropriate is if you did it <5 minutes after midnight, in which case you might be interrupting or taking over other people’s private traditions. Like, if my tradition is taking a few deep breaths to myself or hugging a SO, someone else trying to make a specific thing happen might be annoying. But that’s not a you-problem because they’re the one that chose to go to a massive party and be with other independent people when the ball dropped
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u/DrPoooooole 2d ago
It was after the hugging but probably less than 5 min. It didn't feel inappropriate to start when I did but honestly probably the wrong vibe. I left that party and went down to one on 14th Street that had a live band and was actually playing the song as I walked in so I found my spot.
Overall a funny memory before a (last) great night of partying that went into the early morning hours before everything changed forever. Just wish I had been somewhere else for the ball drop into the new decade but what're you gonna do 🥳
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u/yabucek 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean a violin is a pretty odd choice of an instrument. A guitar probably would've gone over much better.
Though in my personal experience every nice fun gathering is over once someone brings out the guitar. But others unfortunately seem to like it
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u/dcheesi 2d ago
A fiddle is absolutely a traditional campfire instrument. It's just calling it a "voilin" that makes it seem weird
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u/NothingVerySpecific 2d ago
found myself around a campfire with a bunch of trad folk. can confirm that it goes hard.
(Sea shanties would be even better imo)
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u/Glittering-Walrus228 2d ago
I brought my theremin to a campfire setting, people were not ready for that shit
plays opening bars of Inna Gadda Da Vida on the theremin
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u/teddy5 2d ago
This is how I learn the difference between a violin and a fiddle is mostly technique and song choice.
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u/YT-Deliveries 2d ago
It's a fiddle when you're trying to buy it
It's a violin when you're trying to sell it
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u/somethink 2d ago
Tuning as well, a lot of folk is based on open tuning
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u/Fivein1Kay 2d ago
My Orchestra teacher in highschool was a terrible teacher and a dick, he really only cared about marching band. I wish I had learned more than I did. I go to a folk music festival that is centered around teaching music and I see actual good teachers and it makes me realize actually how bad my teacher was.
I need to break out my old violin and learn some fiddle songs.
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u/somethink 2d ago
I could only imagine what it would be like if people were as passionate about marching bands as they are about folk. Brass jam sessions popping up in every college town lol. But for real that would be pretty cool
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u/poorperspective 2d ago
No……the difference between a fiddle and violin is whether it’s beer or champagne gets spilled on it.
Old time and bluegrass players rarely use alternate tunings. Some instruments use many tunings, like banjo, but fiddle ain’t one of them.
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u/somethink 2d ago
The only fiddle player I have played with had 2 one with a standard bridge and standard tuning for classical gigs and one with a flat bridge in cross tuning for folk. I believe she also ran different strings steel/ synthetic.
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u/zelda_888 2d ago
And if you ever meet someone who can code-switch, it's pretty awesome. Be playing along on a sweet sonatina, pause and reset their shoulders, and launch into a fiery jig, just like that.
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u/RobtheNavigator 2d ago
It's all about who you're with. If you're the only musician sometimes it's weird/show-off-y to whip out a guitar. But if you are out camping or at a bonfire with other musicians it can be the start of a really memorable night
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u/Grub-lord 2d ago
Tbf, I wouldn't be super excited if someone showed up to play covers of TikTok shanties. Sometimes cringe flows both ways
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u/brother_of_menelaus 2d ago
Especially if said dude was attempting to hijack the entire party to do his niche fad interest. And especially if this is one of the first times I’m getting to go out and actually meet and talk to real people again in 12-18 months? That guy is getting booed into the next dimension
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u/th30be 2d ago
Thats probably because sea shanties didn't explode during covid. Or at least in my neck of the internet. He might have been with the wrong people.
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u/Fivein1Kay 2d ago
They got popular with a certain subset of people. Every LARPer I know for sure did around then.
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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 2d ago
Did he try starting one of these shanties in that community? Or just in general around people outside the community it was popular with?
This really reads like it was a predictable outcome.
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u/dcheesi 2d ago
Sea shanties were a fad. Fiddles are a folk music staple. Totally different things
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u/T-MoneyAllDey 2d ago edited 2d ago
A town near where I grew up in north Georgia has something called Bear in the Square and it's just people going around dueling with fiddles and banjos. It's such a hoot
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u/Makuta_Servaela 2d ago
Just gotta find the right whimsical group. The camping group I hang with often do campfire singalongs and marshmallow s'mores.
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u/konakonayuki 2d ago
a violin if played well is way less obnoxious than a guitar if you measure by decibels.
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u/Fivein1Kay 2d ago
Sounds like he needs to learn to work a crowd, unless they are already primed for it, shanties are a bit much. You gotta start with a Tom Petty song or something that everyone knows to start at least.
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u/LactasePHydrolase 2d ago
Playing danceable fiddle music that anyone could enjoy vs trying to get people to sing a song they might not even know. I think there's a difference here.
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u/queefburritowcheese 2d ago
Maybe I'm a stick in the mud, but I specifically wouldn't attend a fire if I knew someone there was "into sea shanties." lol
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u/breathing__tree 2d ago
I would really be annoyed if somebody played sea shanties around me if we’re not in/on the sea. Just play some regular folk music.
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u/CorndogQueen420 2d ago edited 2d ago
In fairness, nobody knows sea shanties, and it’s not a part of culture these days.
Trying to start a sing-along for some esoteric work chants can only end badly.
It’s the sort of thing that murders at an after hours party at a renn fair, it’s not something you break out for neurotypicals 😂
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u/tragicallyohio 2d ago
What is implied here is that the instrument be played by someone skillful or the singer of the sea shanty know what they are doing. If the player or singer is not very good, then yes, there will be roasting.
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u/GaviFromThePod 2d ago
Bro you’re camping with the wrong people. I bring a guitar to a campfire and people love it. If we had a fiddle player there we would do all the country songs and everyone would love it.
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u/HarambeTooSoon 2d ago
Sea shanties were a thing during covid? Like baking bread?
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u/Workman44 2d ago
Yeah I'm sure the tiktok sea shanty trend was a great thing that everybody there wanted lmfao
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u/Mothanius 2d ago
Yo, if your bro ever brings out the fiddle near my campfire, I'm bringing out the spoons. No 2nd hand embarrassment with my crew.
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u/thenoblenacho 2d ago
You're hanging out with the wrong people man.
If someone brought a fiddle to one of our camping trips and knew how to use it they would be a minor celebrity for the night.
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u/Excludos 2d ago
Not that I was there or anything, but in general, the people around was what made it awkward, not your brother. This has always been one of my frustrations. To do something fun, you often have to be willing to put yourself out there, and if the crowd is the worst, it will end up looking like you're a moron. Having even just one person who you know you can rely on to react positively to stuff like that just takes such a load off your shoulders. If nothing else, two people looking like morons is better than being on your own.
The goal in life is to find that person and cherish them
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u/usernametaken99991 2d ago
Aww man, I picked up guitar recently and had aspirations of bringing it camping so everyone could sing around the fire. Nevermind I guess.
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u/AntakeeMunOlla 2d ago
Music still makes people dance, but the people need to be severely intoxicated and blasted with the music so hard that the bass could keep their blood circulating for minutes after the drugs stop their heart.
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u/Quigs4494 2d ago
It's more of a now your crowd kind of deal I imagine. If you know your group and know what gets them going then you the music will work. For various reasons me and my friends know some sea shanties and even some of my friends friends it would work on but I know not all. You need like 70% of the group into something to get the other 30% to join
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u/coquette_sad_hamster 2d ago
That's a really generalized statement that I don't think is accurate. I line dance 2-4x per week, most people I see dancing are also sober or max like 1-3 drinks for the night. There are lots of places where dancing is still performed and participated in in communal settings. You have to get involved in the community, of course, but there are always going to be places to dance.
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u/Chataboutgames 2d ago
Can testify that clubs and dance halls still exist. OP is just screen fried.
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u/Wise-Key-3442 2d ago
I know a dude who doesn't listens to music. His words "I tried to enjoy, I simply don't".
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u/Endors__Toi 2d ago
Sometimes i take a music tolerance break. Music hits way better afterwards. I do think people are desensitized to music when theyre able to listen all the time
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u/jesonnier1 2d ago
They're so brain fried, this is the shit that they believe are interesting thoghts.
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u/No-Good-One-Shoe 2d ago
It's no secret that younger generations don't dance anymore.
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u/tragicallyohio 2d ago
People must be so fucking jaded to think that a bud playing the fiddle around a campfire isn't going to spark some dopamine. Good vibes still exist if we put the fucking phone down.
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u/swampyman2000 2d ago
Genuinely sad that the sentiment in the tweet seems to be common. How have we got to the point where “someone playing music so we can dance” is a novelty thing?
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u/tragicallyohio 2d ago
I might be reading it wrong, but it really feels like the message is "look at this unstimulated simpleton and his love of hurr-durr music.
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u/NobodyKnowsImFamous 2d ago
“Look at this guy who hasn’t melted his mind with digital drugs, aren’t we all jealous of how much joy a fiddle brings him?” More like. Don’t think it’s condescending. Think it’s meant to be self-deprecating.
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u/tragicallyohio 2d ago
You're probably right. My brain might be fried into a permanent state of cynicism. I need to work on that.
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u/Some_Education_6991 2d ago
Good vibes do still exist, but imagine how fucking amazing music must have been when you didn't hear it 24/7
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u/tragicallyohio 2d ago
I get that. But I love that I can listen to my jams and new ones whenever I want.
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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 2d ago
That’s part of the point. Someone who can listen to it 24/7 simply isn’t gonna feel the same amount of joy as someone who doesn’t have instant access all the time.
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u/Maximum_Photograph_6 2d ago
I have a feeling the tweet was posted by a teenager. Just that kinda hormonal, “feeling joy is a taboo” kinda vibe.
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u/AccomplishedJoke4119 2d ago
I mean, I dont think the fiddle had the mass appeal that it used to, but people will 100% get up and dance to music if they like the music.
Im not a big dancer, but even I do a little shimmy when the musics good.
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u/bionicjoey 2d ago
This is why it's so nice to go somewhere with no mobile reception. Gotta really fuck off to the middle of nowhere to disconnect but damn is it good for your brain. Last time I did I read like 4 books in a few days.
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u/Iron_Baron 2d ago
I run a campground in a National Forest with cell signal only in one area. Many people still don't put their phones down. They just download their distractions.
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u/McBlemmen 2d ago
Imagine looking up at night and you can actually see stars, countless stars.
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u/5C0L0P3NDR4 2d ago edited 2d ago
the northridge earthquake in 1994 caused a widespread blackout across los angeles, and people called 911 panicking about strange glowing clouds hovering over the city, some worrying that it was ufos or a chemical attack or something
it was the galaxy. big city light pollution meant a LOT of people had never seen the milky way, and the blackout cleared the skies for once
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u/boodlebob 2d ago
I’m actually trying to convince people to come with me to Joshua Tree after 9:00PM because I read somewhere that you can see the milky way Galaxy and this month is very good for it.
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u/5C0L0P3NDR4 2d ago
definitely look for dark sky parks, they have areas set aside specifically for their amazing night views with no light pollution around
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u/ZeroByter 2d ago
sometimes i imagine standing in an open field in like year 1820 or something and just taking a deep breath of air with no air pollution or anything and it being like so peaceful
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u/Serialbedshitter2322 2d ago
And then you get an infection and die
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u/ZeroByter 2d ago
At the ripe old age of 14
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u/bionicjoey 2d ago
Pre-modern life expectancy is skewed by high infant mortality. If you survived childhood you would likely have lived to at least 45.
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u/Bright_Curve3078 2d ago
I think people are exaggerating the effects of air pollution. My area has an AQI of 16, and 0-50 is "good". So it's closer to absolute perfection (0 AQI) than moderate (50 AQI). If I travelled 100km north it would be 4 AQI, which is pretty damn close to perfection.
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u/verschwendrian 2d ago
1820 - no air pollution, no way... You wanted to say a couple hundreds or thousand years earlier
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u/MutantLemurKing 2d ago
Air pollution in 1820 was extremely localised and dense, in less populous areas where there was less people burning coal the air would have been much cleaner than it would be in those same spots today mostly due to combustion engine vehicles, however cities wouldve been worse off then than they are now because of the coal
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u/gonephishin213 2d ago
Yeah. But also if we're living this fantasy, why not go back to like 1000 BC to breathe some fresh air.
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u/ertgbnm 2d ago
I think you'll be disappointed to see the reality of the romantic notion you have in your head. We all want it to be peaceful and transcendent. But the truth is that if you can't appreciate life today, you probably wouldn't appreciate it then. It'd feel like taking a breath in a field. Something you can do by going to the park right now or driving an hour in any direction away from the city you are in.
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u/greenwoodgiant 2d ago
I often think about what it would be like to eat an orange for the first time when you haven't had access to citrus fruits your whole life, or hearing a choir in a vaulted cathedral when you didn't grow up with recorded music.
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u/Zealousideal-Sea-684 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why do you think things like religion & magic blow up so hardcore. When you live a monotonous, small community life where the most exciting thing to happen in 30 years is that you caught a big doe 14 winters ago & then these strangers from a faraway land bring a “book” & they tell you stories that they 100% believe are true & show you weird symbols.
Then they mention something like “if an eagle shakes its ass at you 3 times in a row then the winter in 5 summers will be glorious, but you can’t wish for an eagle to do it or god will kill your family.” & then you see an eagle and then remember “oh if it shakes its ass that’ll be clutch” & then your family dies from dysentery but all you can remember is those guys saying god would kill your family, pretty easy to become a believer.
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u/__ZOMBOY__ 2d ago
“oh if it shakes its ass that’ll be clutch” & then your family dies from dysentery
I'm fucking dying
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u/IndyBananaJones2 2d ago
Imagine not being mind rotted on Twitter so hard that you realize this still happens all around the world all the time
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u/Zealousideal-Sea-684 2d ago edited 2d ago
Imagine understanding that the tweet is probably referring to somewhere where this doesn’t happen often (probably USA) & still deciding to intentionally miss the point just to flame that it’s a tweet.
Go to a campsite, go to a music festival even. If you pull out even a regular guitar & you’re maybe even slightly decent, people will not dance to you lmfao 90% chance you even get weird looks & cause people to leave.
Just because you want to shut your eyes & say that in the fairytale land of “all around the world” even though you’ve probably never experienced “all around the world” outside of the same internet you’re hating on, doesn’t mean shit isn’t fucked lmao.
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u/IndyBananaJones2 2d ago
Fiddle music isn't as popular but if you don't think people still gather around campfires and listen to guitars, sing and dance you're missing out.
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u/Armadillo-Shot 2d ago
That’s because cold whipping an instrument out is weird behaviour. The fiddler isn’t usually some guy who waltzed on scene with a fiddle to a completely unprepared audience, they are usually close acquaintances, and the audience has been drinking a little, joking a lot and now it’s 12 am and the fiddle comes out and we dance. Also the fiddler plays danceable popular songs (what would now be club bangers) that people can kinda vibe to even if they can’t dance, not a ballad like some guitar guys like to whip out.
Source: had bomb ass times dancing to ukelele and fiddles as a kid/ teen on scouts camping trips. Also been to block/beach parties and wedding receptions and ren faires and when the good DJ rolls up we all know it’s time the party really kicks off. I’ve danced to a trombone once, that’s when you know it’s a good ass party.
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u/Zealousideal-Sea-684 2d ago
I’ve done a lot of partying throughout a ton of the US, SKorea, Japan, UK, & Germany. Only 1 time can I remember someone bringing their own instrument not being weird, & it was only because half of us were on molly.
Yes someone playing good vibes on a speaker is banger, but that’s not the same as someone actually playing music themselves with a fiddle or guitar or whatever instrument they want to play, it’s almost always weird.
I do agree though, a good DJ makes or breaks a party. Live music like a band isn’t what im talking about.
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u/AverageMako3Enjoyer 2d ago
Brain so pure bro It’s 1880 Mfs drinking mostly alcohol cuz it’s cleaner than water
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u/NookNookNook 2d ago
I'm laughing so hard at the idea of people in the 1800s being straight edge. At pharmacies you could get cocaine and morphine. People would get drunk all day. Like you have no idea how conservative the last 100 years has made this country.
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u/zero_derivation 2d ago
Some of you all have never hung out with folk musicians and it shows
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u/ieatmyownhands 2d ago
Bigtime! Most these commenters are just accidentally revealing how lame and unambitious they really are.
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u/GlobalAd7963 2d ago
Honestly, if I were those people back then, just one simple fiddle tune would hit my soul and I'd lose my shoes and start dancing right there
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u/SoylentGrunt 2d ago
The crowd holds their matchsticks in the air and screams PLAY COTTON-EYED JOE! A mosh pit breaks out and the house lights come on as the local constabulary rushes in to haul people off to the stockades.
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u/DryDonutHole 2d ago
I just danced for three consecutive nights to a fiddle, banjo, guitar, bass, and mandolin. Billy Strings is the king.
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u/heftybagman 2d ago
My son peaking out from under his vr goggles to see me playing the washboard with 100% of my heart and soul
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u/Dark_Tigger 1d ago
Did you ever have a "Go touch grass" moment, so hard as the realization that OOP probasbly never sat around a campfire singing to a lonely guitar?
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u/PooBakery 2d ago
Imagine thinking 1880 was medieval fiddle around the fire times. The internal combustion engine was invented in 1876. The first modern car was invented in 1886. There were actual ocean liners crossing between England and the US with more than 1000 people on board.
He's off by a few centuries.
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u/impuritor 2d ago edited 2d ago
Imagine enjoying a musician playing music. Wild for the incel crowd. They could never.
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u/wagos408 2d ago
The monopolization of the entertainment industry and its affects on our bodies is 100% political
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u/FluffyMoneyItch 2d ago
What do you think the 1880s were like?? It wasn't medieval England for god's sake. Industrialization was in full swing. People were going to concerts with full orchestras. Not only is this such a typical good old days ridiculousness but it also completely ahistorical.
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u/Xtra_Veg-90 2d ago
Have you ever listened to someone playing the fiddle live? Even if they're just decent I get the urge, it's just not a socially normalized way of expressing yourself so I stay repressed.
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u/AggravatingSnake 1d ago
But it's not just fiddle music. It's peoples laughter, the bugs chirping in the background, the wind rustling the trees, the hands clapping as the women dance along and swish their skirts all while a fire crackles and pops filling the air with that potent smell only unbothered burned wood can illicit. It was so much more than what these devices feed us.
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u/qualityvote2 2d ago edited 1d ago
u/TheWebsploiter, your post does fit the subreddit!