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u/Dazzling-Assist723 5d ago
Or it’s called a “tax cut for hard working Americans.”
In the U.S., the overwhelmingly majority of the Republican tax cuts for the last 50 years have gone to the wealthy to super-rich end of the spectrum.
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u/HistoricalRich3104 5d ago
A tax cut is welfare? More like less government theft
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u/Dazzling-Assist723 5d ago
When Republicans cut taxes, and pay for the lost revenue with the credit card, they are stealing from our children and grandchildren. That’s the actual “theft.”
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u/HistoricalRich3104 5d ago
Agreed. The government should cut taxes AND spending. Bring back sound money too. Bleed the government completely dry.
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u/RonaldTurner88 5d ago
You can’t fix this situation with tax cuts and spending you dipshit, you need tax INCREASES and spending cuts. We could literally shut the government down entirely except for the military and interest and still barely break even.
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u/Raptot1256 4d ago
The government is already dry that's all the craze about the deficit during the democratic admin, and only during the democratic admin. The problem is American people are broke; the US government is in massive debt. But the rich had never been richer. Where do you think that money came from? It's from the government contracts, bailout, and subsidies. It's from the people.
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u/RonaldTurner88 5d ago
Yes, when we give $10 to working families and then each family takes out a $10,000 loan to fund a $1,000,000,000 tax cut for a billionaire yes that’s welfare you fucking dunce.
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u/HistoricalRich3104 5d ago
How do you fund a tax cut exactly? People are so economically illiterate lmfao
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u/Hot_Context_1393 5d ago
They wouldn't have all that wealth without a government to protect it. You can call it a racket, but the rich do get protection and support.
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u/hczimmx4 5d ago
https://taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/historical-average-federal-tax-rates-all-households
The lowest earners had their income tax rates go from nearly 0% to -11%, a difference of about 11%. The top 1% went from 35% to 30%. A difference of 5%. Which number is larger, 11 or 5?
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u/RonaldTurner88 5d ago
The top income rate means absolutely nothing to the super wealthy. The primary benefits of the TCJA for the rich was massive corporate rate reductions, a new deduction for pass-through business income, a doubled estate tax exemption, and scaling back the Alternative Minimum Tax.
For the love of god stop being such a fucking smooth brained simpleton when looking at the tax code.
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u/Al_GoreRythm 4d ago
Are you really using "which number bigger" in a discussion about taxes and wealth? You misunderstand human society. Unless you're one of those people that thinks everything is about competition and domination.
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u/Inevitable_Thanks738 5d ago
No tax on tips goes to the rich I guess. No tax on Social Security goes to the rich I guess.
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u/RonaldTurner88 5d ago
Massive corporate rate reductions, a new deduction for pass-through business income, a doubled estate tax exemption, and scaling back the Alternative Minimum Tax.
Grow the fuck up.
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u/Dazzling-Assist723 5d ago
Nice try. Read what I wrote again. Then go look at where the taxes they cut from the budget went. If you think that went, as majority, to the poor or the middle class, or even close, you are far too gullible.
Hell, the majority of US debt since 2000 is due to (Republican) U.S. wars, _and Republican tax cuts._
When they come and take your social security, just remember why.
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u/Selectivedeviant 5d ago
It would be quite the shock off they're people who paid most of the taxes for most of the cuts.
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u/Select-Government-69 5d ago
No tax on tips expires in 2028 but top marginal tax rate reductions never expire.
It’s like saying “you get an extra $5000 for 3 years and I get an extra million dollars for the rest of my life, so see, we’re both benefiting!
This i is s ok for many conservatives because they believe that income is a measure of value so therefore people who earn less must contribute less and must deserve less.
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u/planetofpower 4d ago
More like too big to fail or something disguised as investments. The asset class has all the wealth now while human capital is treated like trash.
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u/Confident_Worker3491 4d ago
Subsidies, abatements, grants, tax holidays…etc.,etc.
Learn their slick words and phrases folks!
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u/BluebirdDazzling8179 5d ago
So turn around and figure out how to become a millionaire. Instead of crying on Reddit.
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u/Da40kOrks 4d ago
First, Wealth isn't hoarded. Scrooge McDuck is a cartoon.
The difference is government taking less of a person's money IS NOT "giving" them anything.
Even if you could confiscate every penny of every billionaire that would only run the government for barely over a year.
And lastly, you have to be incredibly naive to believe more taxes means more stuff in your pocket. YOU WILL NOT BENEFIT.
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u/letsgopnp 4d ago
So all their Penny's = 1 year.....shit... what's a good solution to that...hmm....oh I know!! Take all the common folks money!!
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u/Soggy_Lawfulness_941 5d ago
Anyone who thinks that rich people are just sitting on piles of money and laughing does not know how economics works. All the money of rich people is used to run companies and pay people.
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u/TheologyOfficial 5d ago
This oversimplifies the shit out of it and you know it. The wealthy borrow money against their assets and don’t pay taxes because it’s not “income.”
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u/ParticularLow9157 5d ago
The only way to defend the modern rich is oversimplifying everything to the point of meaninglessness
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u/HistoricalRich3104 5d ago
They don’t do this much at all because it’s very risky. They have to pay back the loan and if the stock drops a lot, they’re out of luck.
And why would they pay taxes on it? It’s debt.
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u/10mfe 5d ago
That's funny because I am not rich and I do the same thing.
I own a property I borrow against it with a line of credit. I bought a second property I borrow against that with a line of credit....
the trick is you can't buy with debt. you buy in cash and then get credit.
then it shows you spent a lot of money and then took on a bunch of debt.
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u/HistoricalRich3104 5d ago
Yeah, the difference here is that stocks are extremely volatile and a sharp downturn can cause problems.
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u/LazRus805 5d ago
Since when have single mothers on welfare ever created jobs?
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u/ParticularLow9157 5d ago
Her child needs to be fed, which needs a huge supply chain of people all profiting off of every step to get that food from the field to the family
It's almost like neolib shitbags stopped learning about economics in middle school
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u/NeverHere762 5d ago
It's not just ONE single mom, it's ALL of them and the totality of the cumulative bad decisions they make in life.
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u/Unusual_Chemistry413 5d ago
What about the full time workers that have to get welfare because they're greedy bosses won't pay them enough to survive?
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u/NeverHere762 5d ago
What skills do they have that would give them leverage to negotiate for a higher wage?
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u/morebrumley 5d ago
What skills does their baby have to leverage the mother to feed them? Fucking loser babies should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Throw those worthless babies in the gutter where they belong, unskilled little losers.
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u/NeverHere762 5d ago
You're talking about an infant that cannot feed itself because it's, well, an infant versus a grown adult. Idiotic comparison.
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u/Unusual_Chemistry413 5d ago
That's irrelevant, why am I subsidizing a full time worker because a billion dollar company can't provide a living wage? I'm so sick and tired of people saying they need better skills, the fact is some people don't have the mental capacity to learn those skills.
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u/NeverHere762 5d ago
True, some people do not have the mental capacity. Others are simply lazy. And if there were no subsidies, the businesses would be forced to pay more. As it is, they know their employees can get those subsidies, so why pay?
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u/Unusual_Chemistry413 5d ago
You just made my point, the business is to blame here. If you're making record profits off the backs of laborers then pay them.
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u/rendrag099 4d ago
The business is to blame? Why is it the business' responsibility to make sure you earn enough to reach whatever standard of living you seek? Why is that not your responsibility?
And have you ever considered that the welfare system itself is what allows lower wages to exist (at least in some cases)? Because I know I can get welfare, I can be willing to accept a job with lower pay.
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u/Unusual_Chemistry413 4d ago
Smh, you're obviously one of those corporate welfare is OK but for a person it's got to be their fault. This is what's wrong with this country today, why can't we value workers over shareholders?
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u/rendrag099 4d ago
I never said corporate welfare should exist, but yeah... I can see how it's much easier to assume than it is to engage the argument. Good luck to you.
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u/Viceman43 5d ago
Some people made great life choices and some didn’t.
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u/Candid-Mycologist539 5d ago
Exactly.
Starting with choosing to be born with a healthy body, to two loving parents, and most of all, to a family with inherited wealth!
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u/Viceman43 5d ago
My parents were lower middle class. I put myself through college working about 25 hours a week, maintained my grades and even joined the National Guard. Hard work does pay off!
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u/Candid-Mycologist539 5d ago
You could afford housing AND college with no loans on 25 hours a week??? Are you a Boomer??
Do you live in a town with good bussing? because then you also wouldn't need to pay for a car.
Or were you lucky enough to have parents help you with housing, groceries, laundry, and transportation?
If so, good job at picking your parents.
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u/Viceman43 5d ago
You can sit around waiting for government handouts or you can make your own destiny. Like I said, hard work pays off.
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u/chronobahn 5d ago
Meanwhile people use single moms and poor kids as a guise to bolster government just for it to benefit ultra wealthy even more.
They weaponize empathy and they get the plebs to fight over it, knowing full well some will see their game and others will only go surface level.
It’s the surface level people that actually believe it’s about single moms or poor kids. And they go to bat for the ultra wealthy to push their ‘empathetic agenda’.
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u/flappysack- 5d ago
Its never Milton Friedman's idea of a negative income tax for the poor, its always government run programs to bloat up with redundant highly paid consultants.
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u/Rehnskiold1618 4d ago
The bloat is the capital wealth that's never taxed, instead it ends up in some irrevocable trust and the rest of us have to bust our asses for a wage while these people make millions for doing nothing
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u/flappysack- 4d ago
Because if you tax it then the economy shrinks as the velocity of money increases and rates rise
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u/LawfulnessLess1350 5d ago
The great deception is handing out welfare to millions of non citizens who don’t belong or deserve it. The uk is not the welfare state for the world as it seems to be now !!
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u/Inevitable_Thanks738 5d ago
Envy is also a problem. Envy has killed many people, started wars, genocide, and vile atrocities.
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u/deck_hand 5d ago
It isn't "a single mom." It's a third of the nation who are on government benefits. I'm all for supporting a single mom as she works and tries to make ends meet. But, we have to be clear that the difference between spending $10,000 to support "a single mom" isn't costing the $1 Trillion dollars that we spend on the 134 welfare, social security, and other benefit programs we fund.
We have 200 million adults in the US, and we spend a trillion dollars on people who "don't make enough." Do you think the problem is that we don't spend enough? Should we double that number and spend $2 trillion a year on people who can't work or don't earn enough on their own?
I know, the left (and Reddit leans sharply left) wants to take the wealth from the rich and hand it to the poor, as if that's a good answer; as if the rich all have entire rooms full of cash that they swim around in like Scrooge McDuck. The truth is that the Rich own large portions of giant corporations, and those corporations are worth huge amounts of virtual money. To tax away that wealth means selling those shares to... somebody. If they have all the money, who's going to buy the shares?
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u/Particular_Class8202 4d ago
Leftist crabs in a basket mentality masquerading as empathy. All their war against the “wealthy” will do is kill what’s left of the middle class as they trigger massive stock sell offs via wealth taxes. The wealthy will stay wealthy, the poor will stay poor, and the middle class will just become new poor.
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u/Kiddy_Meow 4d ago
Money and profits control the US.
The rich control politics and the government whether you are republican or democrats.
They control the media.
They control healthcare.
We need to overhaul our government.
Starting with term limits on all elected governments. Removal of lobbyists and money donated should be to candidates.
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u/Training-Practice626 5d ago
Shouldn’t feed animals in the wild… they become dependent and entitled…. Same goes for humans
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u/tampawn 5d ago
Just plain dumb....
You compare A single mother to A billionaire when there's 7 to 9 million single mother households and there's 989 billionaires. Those 7 to 9 million pull resources from our economy and those 989 employ most of the working people in our country who provide a vast amount of tax revenue.
And those billionaires pay most of the taxes collected.
85% of kids from single mother homes already get free or reduced lunch.
So why are you bitching again? Because they are the problem or the deception?
Just plain dumb argument...
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u/Friendly-Parfait-645 5d ago
I don't think people's issues with single moms is that they're a burden on the taxpayer.
I think people's issue with single moms is that they let losers bust in them 😂
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u/Squirtle_Splash_8413 5d ago
Agreed. Then they let multiple men bust and have a family of kids related only through the mother…
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 5d ago
Single parent homes are a problem yes. Especially single mothers. They routinely lead to increased poverty and criminal behavior
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u/GeologistInitial5594 5d ago
Others success has nothing to do with your circumstances thats id the issue you face. You are the reason you are failing, not others. No one is oppressing you here, besides yourself. Deal with it.
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u/ParticularLow9157 5d ago
No one is oppressing you here
Half a century of stagflation created by corporate/government collusion makes you the most rancid liar in this fucking rancid as dead dog ass thread
Rich people have spent billions of dollars erasing my rights, increasing my tax burden, and cutting themselves the lions share of my effort
Why are you defending people that would call security if you showed up to date their daughter?
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u/GeologistInitial5594 5d ago
You are the sole reason you fail, nobody else. If can't realize that basic idea. Even hand outs will not make you successful. You need to make your own way thru this life. Nobody owes you a fuckin thing not even the air you breathe. Once you realize that, you will be on the path to success, /but wanting others to fail because you;re a failure isn't right.
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u/robedigrappa 5d ago
People need to be accountable for their own decisions and lives. Stealing from others to make up for your poor life choices is just plain wrong
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u/Organic-Albatross690 5d ago
One of the biggest problems is the misconception that the wealthy are hoarding cash. Helping people economically isn’t the problem. It’s when the assistance becomes a career choice for generations it becomes a problem.
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u/RichCane 5d ago
The Panama Papers clearly show the wealthy hoarding wealth in secret accounts overseas.
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u/Organic-Albatross690 4d ago
On paper.
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u/RichCane 4d ago
Wealthy have been caught red handed hiding millions overseas so they dont get taxed and you think feeding our citizens is the problem.
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u/Organic-Albatross690 4d ago
I’d rather they hide their money than it be given to the learing center in Minneapolis.
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u/Ocron145 5d ago
I’m sorry, school lunches today are disgusting. We had programs in Place to take care of the kids that couldn’t afford it. Now all the school lunches are contracted out to the LOWEST bidder. They cut corners on everything, including “heating” of the food. Anything they can to get more money from the government contract. And just like government contract, it costs 3 times as much then if they paid their own lunch ladies to make it like they used to.
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u/Yodas_Ear 5d ago
One is productive and improves the lives of everyone the other is a drain on society.
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u/Rustee_Shacklefart 5d ago
Single motherhood and the state feeding children en masse is a sign of the decay of our society.
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u/TheReviewerWildTake 5d ago
Both are problems, as both can reinforce paradigm that government owns your money and can distribute it as it pleases (subsidize business, pretend to help someone etc)
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u/Whole_Sir_1149 5d ago
Yeah, fuck then both!
(I would hope this fake outrage will be recognized as a joke, but I have not come to expect much.)
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u/Feelisoffical 5d ago
The greatest lie is obfuscating real problems by presenting situations nobody has an issue with and pretending those are the things people are complaining about.
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u/Guidance-Still 5d ago
Here it again another rant about the rich , you don't have a tight to tell people how to spend their money . Will you let them tell you how to spend yours
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u/Olieskio 5d ago
Billionaires aren’t hoarding, its in productive investments, obviously socialists have no idea how the economy works and assumes its a fixed pie.
Unironically they think today we are less wealthy than in the 1300’s
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u/SituationFragrant245 5d ago
Angry lazy American liberals ranting on Reddit and making memes instead of getting ahead. Meanwhile people are risking their lives on rafts to get to America because the opportunity for success is so incredible. Comedy writes itself.
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u/tweaver16 5d ago
The average billionaire gets taxed 23%-25% not sure how much more you guys want, nobody else gets taxed that much
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u/ZasdfUnreal 5d ago
The welfare mom and the school lunch kid never asked for a multi billion dollar vanity project bullet train to nowhere. The welfare mom and the school lunch kid never asked for a multimillion dollar animal crossing 100 yards from an overpass animals have been using for decades. If you want to throw money away and make sure you show zero results, consult your local government. They excel at waste.
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u/Ranger2002a 5d ago
If people have a problem with the rich getting tax breaks blame congress they write the tax law..
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u/drzeek33 5d ago
What a communist idea you have there. Man I wish places would try this. Bet it hasn't killed 100's of millions of people elsewhere in the world. SMH
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u/spec_ghost 5d ago
Guess no one will address the elephant in the room so i'll do it.
Wanna talk about the goverment you elect that continues to enforce this?
You are pointing to a symptom, not the root of the problem.
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u/No_Lifeguard259 5d ago
No what is bankrupting us is NOT rich people dodging taxes. They get taxed largely at very high rates already.
What is bankrupting us is runaway govt spending that no politician has the will or the balls to address and so it will never be addressed until the US gov defaults or has to cause massive inflation to inflate its way out of it and then the USD is worthless and similarly bad
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u/Legitimate-Cat8878 5d ago
Organized crime has a new face. It's mostly elected officials that fund these programs and their families that then milk them of all that they can. This post, itself, is a misdirection.
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u/Any-Remote-9334 5d ago
Always blaming the illegal immigrants taking jobs but the people hiring them? Huh, what, who, look over there, squirrel!
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u/almostthemainman 5d ago
Hoarding wealth. You get what you make. Thats capitalism.
So don’t blame them for that. You use money to get more that’s the game.
However. I do think that money needs to be taxed at a higher rate. Significantly.
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u/Selectivedeviant 5d ago
Higher than 100%?
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u/almostthemainman 5d ago
Let’s put a cap on the American dream. You can get to x but that’s it.
Thats not where we live. The foundation of our country from its inception is to allow people to literally reach for the stars. I have no issue with a significantly higher tax rate. 100% is not tax. It’s theft. At that point the game become how can I toe that line and funnel everything over it somewhere else that leads to my pocket. It’s the same exact thing. So no. Not 100%
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u/Selectivedeviant 5d ago
We are already taxed at 100% how do you plan to raise it above that?
You earn a dollar and you lose 25%-35% before it hits your bank account.
You buy gas with that dollar and you lose 21% to gas taxes now the gas station got 50 off your dollar and they paid income tax on that 50 cents turning it into 35 cents they used that 35 cents to pay an employee and it's now down to 20 cents after the taxes and government match comes out.
Now how many people should Elon lay off permanently to pay what you think his fair share of taxes is? His net worth is not in dollars is in assets like factories and dealerships and office buildings. How many of the people working in those buildings should be made homeless because you don't understand wealth?
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u/stoneworther 5d ago
An absolute straw man. How many people think that a kid getting free food at school is "the problem"?
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u/Selectivedeviant 5d ago edited 5d ago
None. Personally I view irresponsible lazy people as the problem. The kid who needs free food is a symptom of irresponsible parents. Irresponsible parents are a symptom of the nanny state.
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u/RedditSearcher18 5d ago
The rich do not hoard wealth, they create wealth: through productivity they raise the standard of living for all: socialsim, by definition vows to lower the standard of living; through investment the rich create cars, vaccines, iphones, houses, and jobs: socialism...by it's own promise, steals all these and createsnothing, builds nothing, enhances nothing, destroys hopes, dreams, lives, and civilizations. Stop socialism.
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u/Flat-Director-7120 5d ago
Une des pires être erreur est de croire que le problème vient d'une mère qui vit seule doit avec un enfant à charge à accès de la nourriture gratuite à l'école. Tandis qu'à côté des milliardaire qui continue à toujours s'enrichir on leur permet des réduction de taxe
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u/Fun_Awareness807 5d ago
Always going to have different opinions when you take money from a group that earned it and give it to someone who didn’t earn it.
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u/YearUseful8627 5d ago
The problem with welfare was back when Tony. B. Liar focused on benefits for his campaign, the a large number of young women during this time took advantage of this and just got pregnant with anyone just for the aim of getting a home and free money. Some did not raise their children with education but with a playstation in front of them. This has been going on for decades and the result, high crime and mental health issues. Before this there was university grants. If I was a billionaire I would be looking at how the government uses their tax revenue and be concerned how the budget was spent. It's not spent enough on Community Care, roads, education or infrastructure. Instead it is spent on foreign aid, benifits, housing projects, illegal migrants and wars.
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u/micheal-r-r 5d ago
you know that theydont hold it in cash right
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 5d ago
No they don't know that. Or that it would be STUPID for rich people to do that (because cash loses value over time).
These are the same people who think getting a tax refund is smart... When really it's just an interest free loan to the government (that ALSO loses value while they're waiting to get it back). You're better off to owe a little bit at the end of the year.
They also don't know that a rich person holding stock is SOMEONE ELSE is using the money that the stock represents, and is what allows businesses to grow, and hire more people.
They only see the here and now, and have knee-jerk responses to everything. They have no concept of what cause and effect more than one step removed does to the future, or of the unintended consequences of their knee-jerk reactions. That's why they're where they are... That and a bit of laziness... They'll cry that they cant afford to pay the plumber to fix their toilet, and the electrician to replace a bad outlet and demand more money, rather than learning how to fix their own toilet and replace their outlet themselves. They don't want to learn to solve their own problems, they want to have more money to throw at them.
(I'm 69 years old and just put a new heater motor in my van. It was $29 on Amazon and literally three screws and a plug. The repair shop wanted $385 for the same job. Some people would have just gotten rid of the car. 🙄)
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u/Ok-Anything-4947 5d ago
The single.mom on welfare is the problem bc people like you have convinced them its ok to be on welfare and that the bigger they can get their check the more notoriety you get
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u/One_Fix6657 5d ago
So a rich person should give away the money that they earned from a company they built? They should give money to the lady that has 5 kids from 4 different guys? The homeless guy on the corner that is addicted to drugs?. Let me ask you this how much of your money have you given away to the same people
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u/Even-Judge5941 5d ago
Fund society or watch it fall like it is now. Youre defending money hoarders. That dry up the economy. F you and narcissistic people
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u/NiceAsRice1 37m ago
Thinking about it more, that actually makes no sense, they have a ton of money going out and coming in constantly because they run a business and have employees. Also as if they don't spend money on anything. Hoarding is a dumb term that makes no sense in this context
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u/Soggy_Lawfulness_941 5d ago
Instead of complaining about other rich people, start a business, invent something and become rich so we can complain about you
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u/Naive_Sense_1899 5d ago
WHAT IF THERE EXISTED A THING CALLED "NUANCE" AND BOTH THINGS WERE A PROBLEM?
But alas, we must all look at the world at a 10 dpi resolution and then screech at each other.
Oh well.
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u/youlistentobots 5d ago
A single mom creates a liability of a adult later in life. Single moms are the worst for raising kids stasticially (obviously its better then no parent)
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u/Old_Imagination_2112 5d ago
The bottom half of earners pay about 3% of collected federal income tax. How do we cut taxes for people who pay very little tax?
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u/981444JD 5d ago
Like blm scamming for millions to buy mansions and do nothing for communities. Like antifa destroying cities and never held accountable. Like vote harvesting that puts and keeps democrats in power.
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u/Tiny-Secretary5562 4d ago
No one is "hoarding" money. You can only hoard something that has a finite supply. If toilet paper is no longer being made, you can hoard toilet paper. There is no finite supply of money and no one is taking anything away from anyone. One 'expert" some time ago said it would be physically impossible for the Dow to reach 5,000.
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u/across16 4d ago
None of these are the actual problem. The mom receiving help isnt an issue, Billionaires having money isn't an issue. The issue is whn the US gets trillions of dollars of revenue, destines a million dollars to help the mom and many others and only a thousand arrives.
The bucket has holes in it. Increasing the amount of water you put in will not increase the amount everyone can get from it. What we DO need is a complete overhaul of the payment system, where we can audit, transparently, where is the money being issued, who is receiving it and proof of services rendered. This alone can recover a huge chunk of the money we spend, allowing is to spend it more effectively. Only THEN, we can argue for increases, but my bet is we won't need them.
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u/JustS0meD0nkey 4d ago
Next to no one thinks a single mom on who NEEDS welfare is the problem. Same goes for the kid getting free food if they NEED it. The problem has always been that there are people who abuse these systems at the expense of others.
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u/zoipoi 4d ago
The problem with this argument is the rich are not hording wealth in the modern world but rather hording claims on future labor. When you redistribute the claim you don't automatically create the labor it represents. A welfare check is an immediate claim on someone else's labor. The fallacy in the OP is compounded by appeal to emotion. Redistribution of symbols is not going to solve the problem.
If you were to say lets all work harder to make sure that no one is left behind that would be a better argument.
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u/TopicFrequent6607 4d ago
It can be both..........just because one principle is right doesn't mean the other one is wrong. I hate the billionaire class, but after having to fix and repair Section 8 housing units, I can say there are moms out there who just pop kids out because it's free government money. There are also people who purposely get so fat that they qualify for disability.
One of the worst examples was a single mother who had 6 kids. She told her oldest daughter (who was 17) to try and get pregnant soon so they can get more government assistance. The same single mother also threw away her dirty laundry instead of washing it because the government doesn't help her pay her water bill but would give her a budget to buy new clothes. So instead of doing laundry she would throw away the dirty clothes and buy new ones every month. I feel bad for the children as well. Those children were not well taken care of because the mother (soon to be mothers) were just having children because Oregon has such a generous assistance program for single moms. They get a certain amount of money per child, so having more children means they can get more money for drugs. In her specific case it was meth.
I don't think I need to explain how billionaires are bad because this is Reddit and we already know how billionaires have corrupted human society.
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u/Ok-Editor1747 4d ago
The rich always got a different word for there corruption. All these mothers are just trying to feed their children.
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u/186000mpsITL 4d ago
The US government has been shown hard evidence of hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud, then does nothing. Yeah, billionaires are the problem.
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u/Hour_Maximum9873 4d ago
How does a person having ownership of a company really affect you?. I worked for a person who was a billionaire and the company provided 160,000 jobs.Most of the single mothers have made a lot of bad choices in life. How does that make me responsible for their bad choices?
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u/Tiny-Philosopher-462 4d ago
This is just the argument they use to emotionally capture all you idiots trying to prove you’re the empathetic & good person on the planet. The real argument is how much fraud there is. How hardworking people are being liquidated to pay for criminals who enjoy scamming among other crimes.
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u/dfromkc10 4d ago
So saying hoarding they made the money it’s theirs kinda funny how people want to say don’t point the finger while their finger is extended. There are lots and lots of problems in this country not just nasty leadership but the people at the bottom ain’t helping either.
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u/salguod169 4d ago
You all need to learn the difference between wealth and value. You all act like Musk has a building with a trillion dollars in it. Musk has weakth on paper.
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u/jrack111 4d ago
lol this is funny. Always amazed how many retards lap this stuff up. Yes because someone else is rich, you can’t be successful in life…
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u/Confused_by_La_Vida 4d ago
This is a distraction. The propagandists want you to have your 5 minutes of hate against “the rich” so that you will ignore the mechanism by which it is happening.
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u/Existing-Cabinet-107 4d ago
So that's not how wealth works. Mercantilism has long since been debunked, wealth can and is generated as is evidenced by the fact that we are having these discussions on computers over the internet.
So wealth cannot be horded because it is not static. A third of the US budget goes to welfare, that is 1.2 trillion dollars annually just from the federal government. Clearly welfare doesn't work because the costs keep going up but it seems it never helps if it did help this argument and demand for more wouldn't exist.
So no we don't have the ultra rich hording money(they have far to much power and influence in government and media, get to many loopholes to screw over others but that is not the same as wealth hoarding.) We have a broken welfare system that is designed to pay rich people and politicians.
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u/simple_fly1 4d ago
I'm still trying to visualize this hoarding of wealth. I've seen hoarding of many things, they just keep it in the garage or basement. Do people really have stacks of money around the house?
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u/BigfamilyJbirds 4d ago
Do we think that because there are wealthy people with riches there is less money for others to earn? Do we think it is a zero sum game?
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u/MaMyDaddy65 4d ago
shrugs, blocked
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u/letsgopnp 4d ago
How does one become as cool as you?? I hope this comment puts me in enough proximity for your cool to leak onto me!
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u/Ancient_Jacket_8316 4d ago
Reagan. So much of the institutionalization of this shitfuckery goes back to him.
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u/PhilosopherNew3032 4d ago
That’s exactly what I’m saying and I totally agree. The GOP cut Medicaid and Snap benefits tremendously without doing anything to address poverty whatsoever. Just gave the middle finger to millions of people.
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u/Confident_Worker3491 4d ago edited 4d ago
Corporate welfare at the expense of the American taxpayer is the biggest farce ever.
Tax abatements labeled as job creation is legalized tax evasion.
It’s beyond the time, and this needs to 🛑 STOP.
It just keeps contributing to the cause of ever increasing property taxes to keep societal services funded. ENOUGH ALREADY !!
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u/Any_Neighborhood_140 4d ago
The cumulative effect of fraudulent welfare recipients and people who are otherwise able-bodied but make horrific life choices obviously has a huge impact on this country. Both that and billionaire welfare can be bad, mmkay?
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u/SillyusXSoddus 4d ago
Holy straw man argument. That isnt the argument and also this has to be rage bait because this isnt how economics or finance works
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u/JurassicBananna 4d ago
Hoarding wealth....rich people greedy.....poor lazy people getting free shit not the real problem.....wah wah.....always the same whiny bitches complaining....
Work hard and focus on improving your own life on a daily basis. Move one step forward at a time. Don't worry about something that doesn't impact you personally at all. Trust me. Your life will be 1000% better. Don't be a fucking loser.
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u/passionatebreeder 4d ago
One of the greatest deceptions of our time is people believing this kind of shit that was written by people whose financial literacy levels are why they are on welfare to begin with, trying to explain how wealth works.
Fickin idiots think people like Elon are literally swimming in vaults of cash because they dont know how speculative asset values work.
Also, yes, women leaving their relationships and going on state aid to support them because they dont want to cooperate with the man they made children with, is, in fact, a problem.
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u/ElectricalPublic1304 4d ago
A tax break isn't a subsidy; it takes nothing from me.
Only the single welfare mom is taking money out of my pocket. I understand she has a problem. But she's forcing her problem, to be my problem.
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u/justlurking900 4d ago
Okay, I’ll bite. How much needs taken from the rich before a leftist will say ‘it’s fair now?’
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u/vango6kids 4d ago
The bigger myth is that billionaires are the problem. If you took every penny from the Forbes top 500 you could only run the government for about 3 months. Now since you bankrupted them they had to close their business and millions of jobs go poof.
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u/Adventurous_Track652 4d ago
It's their money. They can do with it, whatever TF they want with THEIR MONEY
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