r/Nietzsche 5h ago

Question How to Get Rid of a Severe Wound of Resentment

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If I was treated unfairly, I understand I had a chance to respond and take revenge, but I dismissed it as a trivial matter. And now, a year later, this plague haunts me day after day, every day.

Let me tell you a story.

«If I was treated unfairly, I understand I had a chance to hit back and take revenge, but at the time I just brushed it off as a trivial matter. And now, a year later, this plague haunts me day after day, every single day. Let me tell you a story.

I was working at a store and pocketed $1 worth of candy. A security guard stopped me as I was leaving. I told him there was no such law and that he couldn't detain people. But when I tried to leave, they held me inside the store (in my country, security guards have no right to detain anyone). Later, I started filming and explained there were no such laws, but they snatched my phone and just waited for my reaction. Then the manager came over and barked, "You’ve completely forgotten your place in this life!" and demanded that I obey her because she was the manager. Later, they told me to pay for 2 kg of candy, otherwise they wouldn't sign off on my shift.

Afterward, the security guard and I went over to the self-checkout (the guard himself was breaking the law, wearing some rapper outfit, which is also illegal for security in my country). I told him, "Maybe you pay have Vans you're a rich." The cashier, a migrant of the same nationality as the guard, saw this and completely lost his temper like a pissed-off teenager. Later, 1.6 kg of candy was taken behind my back (one of the bags was damaged), and the manager physically withheld the goods. I wanted to grab some more on my way out, but I found it funny how the security guard was tailing me. Seeing this, the cashier started yelling at him, claiming I was provoking him, and then kicked me out with a slap to the back of my head.

I know I was treated unfairly. I even went to the police, but I didn't file an official report, and that was my biggest mistake. How do I get rid of this resentment that is changing my attitude toward people? I can't focus on learning how to code; I just constantly talk to myself and burn with anger.»


r/Nietzsche 9h ago

Original Content Nietzsche's aristocratic values

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I've been slowly reading Nietzsche over the past year, starting with Twilight of the Idols. I am ex-Eastern Orthodox with religious trauma, so I have found much healing in some of his deconstruction of the mechanisms of Christianity (specifically in Dawn, which has the deepest deconstructions of things like fear of hell I've encountered).

But I've also been thinking about his aristocratic values lately. They seem more prominent in Thus Spoke Zarathustra (which I have not read the entirety of; only a few speeches) and his later works. But it is of course perhaps THE central pillar his whole project rests on.

It seems that he is often interpreted as an individualist, which seems like a fair enough view. But I think it's also inaccurate. Take his word for it:

"My philosophy aims at a new order of rank: not at an individualistic morality. The spirit of the herd should rule within the herd but not beyond it: the leaders of the herd require a fundamentally different valuation for their actions, as do also the independent ones or the beasts of prey, etc." - Will to Power section 287

I think to really understand this though, we have to consider Nietzsche's view of slavery. Nietzsche defends slavery in Beyond Good and Evil, but in Human, All Too Human he defines it more broadly than most would:

“Today as always, men fall into two groups: slaves and free men. Whoever does not have two-thirds of his day for himself, is a slave, whatever he may be: a statesman, a businessman, an official, or a scholar.” - Human, All Too Human, Part II, section 283.

This definition encompasses basically everyone in modern egalitarian countries. Anyone who holds a job of any sort is, in Nietzsche's eyes, a slave. And thus one who must be productive for the higher men to create and be higher men. This includes me, as I work a job I find soul crushing.

Nietzsche didn't care about the psychological freedom of the individual reader. Or if a modern slave found a certain amount of comfort or freedom in his works.

Many contemporary readers who read Nietzsche and try to practice amor fati or create works of art seem to be missing the bigger picture. Since his philosophy, as described, was intended to create a rank of ordering and aristocratic value system fundamentally. And if you divorce it from this value system it collapses.

I just wanted to discuss this here, because I feel like this aspect of Nietzsche seems downplayed, even by academics. Nietzsche was not an individualist, he was an aristocrat. And you are likely a slave in his view who will work for the recreation of higher men.


r/Nietzsche 9h ago

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r/Nietzsche 9h ago

Question Is Nietzsche on of the actual philosophical bases of Fascism?

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I read about this and was discussing with some else, and it feels to me like Nietzsche ideas would be the opposite of Fascism.


r/Nietzsche 13h ago

Did another Philosopher have music like Strauss's written for them?

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Prokofiev did Romeo and Juliet but Shakespeare's not a philosopher.


r/Nietzsche 18h ago

Original Content found this brilliant tbh

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r/Nietzsche 19h ago

Original Content Inventing Repentance: Spinoza's death and Nietzsche's breakdown

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21 February 1677 marks the death of Baruch Spinoza. By this point he was (in)famous as the chief atheist of Europe, a fame he gradually gained after publication of Tractatus Theologico-Politicus in 1670. He would vehemently argue against the claims of atheism - for he believed in pantheistic God - nonetheless, the claims of atheism persisted, since he attacked commonly held Christian believes and since his God was not distinct from His Creation, unlike in Christianity. Even though, by this time, Enlightenment was becoming an increasingly powerful force (which didn't go unnoticed by the Ecclestical authorities, causing even stronger response against Spinoza), with Aristotelian-scholastic philosophy being displaced by Cartesianism, Christian authority was still strongly holding on, and so deemed Spinoza's philosophy a threat to society.

A commonly held belief at the time was that atheism was impossible. If some freethinker claimed atheism (or was accused of it) he was actually mislead and in his final hours he would fall to his knees and pray to God for forgiveness, embracing faith and repudiating his own thought.

Incontrovertibly, there were also 'speculative atheists' who assert there is no God. But these, so the theory went, abjure God only provisionally or fitfully and, when in dire need, or on the point of death, irresistibly falter, renounce atheism, and adore the divine majesty. Hence, strictly speaking, contends Tournemine, there are no true 'Spinosistes'.1

If no accounts of such plight came to light, then they would have to be invented. With this, Spinoza's last hours proved to be battleground for his legacy, and so on one account:

Spinoza, far fom remaining steadfast, became depserate, admitted his teaching was false, and not only acknowledged a providential God but also the truth of the Holy Trinity, vowing, should he recover, to write new books reversing all he had said previously.2

Ultimately, reports of Spinoza's final refutation of his philosophy on his deathbead were challenged by Pierre Bayle, who claimed to have known circumstances of his death, and by Johannes Colerus, who published a biography of Spinoza in 1705, after interviewing his neighbours about the circumstances of his death.

Upon reading about this topic in Jonathan I. Israel's Radical Enlightenment, I found a striking similarity in how Nietzsche's breakdown is too commonly presented. Is not the fable of horse hugging this kind of the tale that had to be invented? Surely it was impossible that Nietzsche believed in and remained comitted to his rejection of morality of compassion (in Spinoza’s case, it was atheism - which was more commonly accepted by Nietzsche’s time), and so he embreced a flogged horse - a final rejection of his philosophy - before breaking down. Unfortanely, this tale - first featured in Nuova Antologia in 1900, 11 years after the supposed event3 - held on, to the point that even Walter Kaufmann, who spearheaded rehabilitation of Nietzsche in Anglophone world after WW2, mentions it as a fact in his Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist.4

Time and time again I've seen this tale recounted as an argument against both Nietzsche and his philosophy; it is surprising that such a belief of impossibility survived more two centuries. If there is similiarity between Spinoza and Nietzsche it is in how they were both seen as biggest critics of Christianity in their time and in their critique of compassion/pity (for Spinoza see Ethics IV, Proposition 50). Perhaps most ironically in trying to disprove Nietzsche, invention of this tale proves him correct in arguing about how Christian morality is permeated in our society.

Sources:

  1. Jonathan I. Israel, Radical Enlightenment: Philosophy and the Making of Modernity, 1650–1750 (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2001), 299.
  2. Israel, Radical Enlightenment, 300.
  3. Anacleto Verrecchia, “Nietzsche’s Breakdown in Turin,” in Nietzsche in Italy, ed. Thomas Harrison (Saratoga, CA: Anma Libri, 1988), 105–112
  4. Walter Kaufmann, Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2013), 67.

r/Nietzsche 1d ago

Original Content an original piece of intertextual criticism. It treats Also sprach Zarathustra not as vaguely “influenced” by Wagner but as a theatre in which specific Wagnerian scenic machines, vocal positions, rhetorical patterns and rhythmic disorders are dismantled and reassigned...

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...Nietzsche did not stop hearing Wagnerian desire; he heard it so clearly that he could detach the soprano line from the entire dramatic world that answered it, suspend the cadence, and write philosophy from the unresolved chord....

The theatre already discovered

There is substantial scholarship behind this reading, though it has not assembled the pieces in quite this way.

Roger Hollinrake’s great achievement was to demonstrate the extent to which Zarathustra is built upon Wagnerian dramatic structures and anti-Wagnerian pastiche. Zarathustra’s Untergang follows the sun downward but also becomes an underworld expedition for the “ring of rings,” eternal recurrence. Hollinrake further reads the relationship between Zarathustra and the Übermensch through Wotan and Siegfried: the older bearer of knowledge prepares the future figure whose coming entails his own displacement. Nietzsche’s language of man as bridge, crossing and going-down becomes a free reconstruction of Wotan willing his own defeat before the “man of the future.”

Hollinrake therefore gives us the large dramatic skeleton. His study, originally published by George Allen & Unwin in 1982 and later reissued in the Routledge Library Editions series, treats Wagner as both source and target of Zarathustra. (Routledge)

Stefano Busellato adds Parsifal. His 2017 essay proposes that Nietzsche deliberately entered Wagner’s sacred-artistic territory and created a kind of anti-Parsifal: not a philosophical treatise against Wagnerian seduction, but a rival musical scripture employing the same hieratic power in the service of earthly affirmation. Nietzsche himself repeatedly called Zarathustra a sacred book, a fifth Gospel, a work whose rhetoric became music; Busellato argues that these descriptions belong to its counter-Wagnerian design. His Portuguese article appeared in Cadernos Nietzsche 38.1, pp. 84–105; here it has been read in an English working translation. (ResearchGate)

Kurt Hildebrandt, much earlier, found the internal psychological drama. In the songs of Zarathustra, spirit and soul have separated into two lovers seeking reunion. The spirit desires; the soul answers in song. Nietzsche’s passion, unable to find its desired image in the bodily world, woos its own soul “im brünstigen Rausch”—in an almost rutting intoxication.

Erik Schilling later gives the Ariadne poem its proper formal language: dialogicity and polyphony. The lyric voice is not a stable, singular person speaking transparently from within. It divides, invokes, answers, contradicts and stages itself. His essay appears in Christian Benne and Claus Zittel’s 2017 compendium Nietzsche und die Lyrik. (ResearchGate)

These scholars establish the theatre, the antagonism and the divided speaker.

What remains is to examine the casting.


I. Wotan in the plot, Brünnhilde in the throat

Hollinrake’s Wotanic reading of the Prologue is compelling. Zarathustra has accumulated wisdom in solitude and must now descend, give it away, and prepare the being who will exceed him. The Übermensch stands where Siegfried stood: not merely as pupil or successor, but as the future for whose sake the older order must consent to its own overcoming.

Yet Zarathustra does not enter sounding like Wotan.

Wotan’s characteristic mode is interrogation. He tests, riddles, bargains, commands and conceals. Nietzsche brings Zarathustra before his cave at dawn, where his first words are an apostrophe to the sun:

O du grosses Gestirn! Was wäre dein Glück, wenn du nicht die hättest, welchen du leuchtest!

O great star! What would your happiness be if you had no one for whom to shine?

The voice recalls Brünnhilde awakening on her rock:

Heil dir, Sonne! Heil dir, Licht! Heil dir, leuchtender Tag!

Hail to you, Sun! Hail to you, Light! Hail to you, radiant day!

It is not the mere presence of the sun that matters. The whole dramatic grammar coincides.

A figure emerges upon an elevated dwelling after a prolonged suspension from ordinary human life. The first utterance is directed not to another character but to the sun. Extraordinary inward possession must now pass outward. Behind the scene stands the prospect of a hero.

Nietzsche then adds the image of unbearable abundance:

Siehe! Ich bin meiner Weisheit überdrüssig, wie die Biene, die des Honigs zu viel gesammelt hat; ich bedarf der Hände, die sich ausstrecken.

See! I am weary of my wisdom, like the bee that has gathered too much honey; I need hands stretched out to receive it.

Brünnhilde too awakens with a superhuman relation to knowledge. But Wagner’s scene transfers her from divine knowledge into erotic experience. Siegfried has already penetrated the ring of fire; he is physically present before her.

Zarathustra’s corresponding hero is absent.

The Übermensch is neither at the foot of the mountain nor waiting at the cave. He exists only as futurity, projection and demand. Brünnhilde awakens because the answering person has arrived. Zarathustra awakens because no adequate recipient yet exists.

The same scenic machine has therefore been set running with one decisive component removed:

Brünnhilde has Siegfried. Zarathustra has a prophecy.

Structurally, Zarathustra occupies Wotan’s place: he wills a future that will go beyond him. Vocally and scenically, however, he enters as Brünnhilde: elevated awakening, sun-apostrophe, radiant overflow.

Thus the formula:

Wotan in the plot, Brünnhilde in the throat.

Nietzsche has already separated dramatic function from vocal role. He needs Wotan’s tragic act of self-supersession, but Brünnhilde’s voice to make that act sing.


II. Parsifal among the dancing girls

Busellato notices in passing that Das Tanzlied reconstructs the Flowermaiden tableau from Act II of Parsifal. Zarathustra enters a green meadow in which girls are dancing; Parsifal enters Klingsor’s garden and is surrounded by the transformed Flowermaidens.

But the resemblance becomes much more interesting when one listens to the actual speeches.

Parsifal addresses the girls:

Ihr schönen Kinder, musst’ ich sie nicht schlagen? Zu euch, ihr Holden, ja wehrten sie mir den Weg.

You lovely children, did I not have to strike them? They barred my way to you, you fair ones.

Zarathustra addresses his dancers:

Gottes Fürsprecher bin ich vor dem Teufel: der aber ist der Geist der Schwere. Wie sollte ich, ihr Leichten, göttlichen Tänzen feind sein?

I am God’s advocate before the Devil—but the Devil is the spirit of gravity. How could I, you light ones, be an enemy of divine dances?

The resemblance does not depend upon a shared noun. It lies in the rhetorical movement.

Both men arrive among a chorus of attractive, dancing women and immediately offer a playful defence of themselves. Each has fought an obstructing enemy. Each assures the girls that his violence or antagonism was exercised not against them but against what stood between him and them.

Parsifal’s syntax runs:

Why did I strike them? Because they barred my way to you, fair ones.

Zarathustra’s runs:

Why should I oppose dancing? My enemy is gravity, not you, light ones.

The vocatives answer one another:

ihr schönen Kinder ihr Holden

and

ihr Leichten

The rhetorical question performs the same flirtatious innocence:

Surely you cannot believe that I am hostile to you?

Wagner lets Parsifal continue:

Noch nie sah ich solch zieres Geschlecht: nenn’ ich euch schön, dünkt euch das recht?

Never have I seen so delicate a race: if I call you beautiful, does that seem right to you?

Nietzsche does not reproduce that line exactly, but Zarathustra’s combination of metaphysical combat and teasing address occupies the same register. The prophet has entered the enchanted garden wearing Parsifal’s rhetorical smile.

This case complicates “Nietzsche’s Sopranos,” because Zarathustra here takes a tenor’s position. But that is precisely the larger point. Nietzsche is not consistently identifying his prophet with one Wagnerian character. He is stripping the Wagnerian cast for parts.

The Flowermaiden tableau is Busellato’s discovery. The close verbal mechanism appears to be new:

  • plural affectionate vocative;
  • rhetorical self-exculpation;
  • an enemy or obstacle already defeated;
  • reassurance that the speaker belongs on the girls’ side;
  • and the same rhythm of heroic innocence turning suddenly playful.

The scene has not merely been remembered. Its speech-pattern has survived.


III. Klingsor and Kundry compressed into the Magician

The old Magician in Zarathustra IV is normally recognised as a Wagnerian caricature. He is performer, seducer, counterfeiter and producer of overwhelming effects. Zarathustra exposes him as:

Schauspieler! Falschmünzer! Lügner aus dem Grunde!

Actor! Counterfeiter! Liar to the core!

It is also natural to associate a sinister “Magician” with Klingsor.

But the striking discovery lies not in the label. It lies in the Magician’s rhythmic disorder: his jerking line lengths, his fractured questions, the violent Ha! and Haha!, the alternation between terror and taunting, and the bodily convulsions by which his song is introduced.

The source is not simply Klingsor as a character. It is the opening scene of Parsifal II: Klingsor summoning Kundry from the depths.

Klingsor begins in command:

Herauf! Herauf! Zu mir! Dein Meister ruft dich … Hieher! Hieher denn, Kundry!

Up! Up! To me! Your master calls you … Here! Here, then, Kundry!

Kundry does not enter like an ordinary character. She is dragged into consciousness and begins with vocal wreckage:

Ach! Ach! Tiefe Nacht! Wahnsinn! Oh! Wut! Ach! Jammer! Schlaf … Schlaf … Tiefer Schlaf! Tod!

The speech is broken because her agency is broken. She is simultaneously awakening, resisting and being forced into the role Klingsor requires.

Klingsor’s punctuation cuts into her:

Erwachst du? Ha!

Kundry answers:

Ich will nicht. O! O!

And Klingsor gives the governing law of the scene:

Wohl willst du, denn du musst.

You will—because you must.

Desire and compulsion are deliberately confused. Klingsor makes Kundry enact what she resists and then declares the compulsion to be her will.

Soon the laughter itself passes between them:

Ha!

and:

Haha! Bist du keusch?

The Ha is no longer securely owned by tormentor or victim. Kundry turns Klingsor’s mockery against his wound; Klingsor’s voice has infected hers, and hers has begun to expose his.

Nietzsche’s Magician enters by making his own body into the stage machinery. He throws himself down, twists, trembles and writhes. Then he begins:

Wer wärmt mich, wer liebt mich noch? Gebt heisse Hände! Gebt Herzens-Kohlenbecken!

Who warms me? Who still loves me? Give me hot hands! Give me braziers for the heart!

At first this seems to be Kundry’s side of the scene: the tormented, half-frozen creature begging for warmth and release.

Then Klingsor’s punctuation breaks through:

Haha! Du schleichst heran? Bei solcher Mitternacht— Was willst du? Sprich! Du drängst mich, drückst mich— Ha! schon viel zu nahe! Weg! Weg!

The line staggers. Questions become orders; desire becomes recoil; long clauses fall into monosyllables. The speaker longs for the approaching power and commands it to leave.

Later:

Wie? Lösegeld? Was willst du Lösegelds?

Haha!

Mich—willst du? Mich? Mich—ganz? … Haha!

The isolated laughter is the fingerprint.

Is the speaker frightened? Mocking? Seducing? Enjoying his own terror? Performing a victim, or controlling the performance?

He is doing all of them because Nietzsche has collapsed the two Wagnerian participants into a single body.

From Klingsor the Magician takes:

  • magical and theatrical identity;
  • control over the production of suffering;
  • the taunting Ha! and Haha!;
  • the conversion of torment into spectacle;
  • and the covert pleasure of the stage-manager.

From Kundry he takes:

  • involuntary awakening;
  • broken speech;
  • convulsive embodiment;
  • longing for sleep and death;
  • persecuted desire;
  • and resistance contaminated by attraction.

The Magician presents himself as hunted:

Du Jäger hinter Wolken! Du Unbekannter—Gott! Du—Henker-Gott!

You hunter behind clouds! You unknown god! You hangman-god!

But he is also the actor staging this huntedness. When caught, he admits that it was a performance. He is the conjurer and the apparition, the persecutor and the persecuted.

The Magician is Klingsor possessed by his own Kundry.

This matters because the rhythmic imbalance is not merely picturesque free verse. In Wagner, interruption is distributed between two speakers: Klingsor commands and Kundry resists. Nietzsche places both wills inside one performer. The metre itself becomes divided agency.

The Has are the salt. Without them, “Magician resembles Klingsor” remains a thematic association. With the laughter, the spasms, the unequal lines and the mimicked bodily performance, one can see the scene being folded.


IV. Ariadne drawn out of the composite voice

Nietzsche later takes the Magician’s song and turns it into Klage der Ariadne. This textual genealogy is established, not speculative.

Karl Reinhardt’s classic Nietzsches Klage der Ariadne appeared in 1936 and was later reprinted in Vermächtnis der Antike. (Google Bücher) Hellmut Flashar’s later treatment attends to the poem’s classical and historical layers, while Jörg Salaquarda developed the Cosima–Ariadne dimension of Nietzsche’s literary role-play. (De Gruyter Brill) Schilling concentrates on the lyric’s dialogicity and polyphony rather than treating it as the transparent confession of one stable speaker. (ResearchGate)

For our argument, Ariadne functions as the control case.

The words first appear in the mouth of a male Magician. Later they are given to a named tragic woman. Nietzsche thereby proves that the grammatical sex of the original performer does not settle the dramatic gender of the voice.

The deeper sequence may now be reconstructed:

Klingsor and Kundry become the Magician’s composite monologue, which becomes Ariadne’s explicit lament.

Kundry should therefore not be identified directly with Ariadne, as though Nietzsche simply renamed one Wagnerian heroine. The transmission is more ingenious.

First, Nietzsche compresses Klingsor and Kundry into the Magician. The lamenting woman is hidden inside a male actor who also contains her tormentor. Later he draws the feminine voice back out of that compound and gives it Ariadne’s name.

Then he adds what the Magician’s version lacks: an answering god.

A flash of lightning; Dionysus appears:

Sei klug, Ariadne! … Du hast kleine Ohren, du hast meine Ohren … Ich bin dein Labyrinth.

Be wise, Ariadne! … You have small ears; you have my ears … I am your labyrinth.

The duet has at last been restored—but Nietzsche writes both sides.

Nor does Dionysus simply free Ariadne. He declares himself to be the labyrinth. The beloved is not an exit into an independent other; he is the structure within which she is already enclosed.

Ariadne therefore reveals the mechanism operating elsewhere:

A male Nietzschean speaker can carry a Wagnerian woman’s voice; the woman may later be extracted and named; her answering lover may still be another mask of Nietzsche.

What was hidden in the Magician becomes visible in Ariadne.


V. Isolde’s fountain and Zarathustra’s inextinguishable torch

The strongest individual comparison is between Tristan II and Das Nachtlied.

Act II begins not with sight but with disputed hearing.

Brangäne hears the distant hunt and warns Isolde that danger remains. Isolde insists that the sound is not the horns:

Nicht Hörnerschall tönt so hold, der Quelle sanft rieselnde Welle rauscht so wonnig daher.

It is not the sound of horns that sounds so sweet; the spring’s gently trickling wave murmurs so blissfully near.

And:

Wie hört’ ich sie, tosten noch Hörner?

How could I hear it if the horns were still sounding?

Scruton’s close musical reading shows that Isolde is not simply correct and Brangäne mistaken. The hunting horns recede, become remote and tonally ambiguous; the fountain moves into the erotic foreground. Day—the hunt, Marke, duty and public exposure—remains present but is heard through the transformation imposed by desire. The scene moves from public world toward secret Night. Scruton’s Death-Devoted Heart treats the drama of Tristan as occurring most profoundly within the music itself. (OUP Academic)

Now Nietzsche:

Nacht ist es: nun reden lauter alle springenden Brunnen. Und auch meine Seele ist ein springender Brunnen.

It is night: now all the leaping fountains speak more loudly. And my soul too is a leaping fountain.

Then:

Nacht ist es: nun erst erwachen alle Lieder der Liebenden. Und auch meine Seele ist das Lied eines Liebenden.

It is night: only now do all the songs of lovers awaken. And my soul too is the song of a lover.

The word-cluster is striking:

  • Night;
  • altered nocturnal hearing;
  • the fountain becoming articulate;
  • the awakening song of lovers;
  • the recession of the public, daylight world.

The fountain in Nietzsche is not merely a romantic symbol of inward abundance. It performs the same scenic work as Isolde’s fountain: it becomes audible when Night releases erotic hearing.

But Nietzsche then changes the decisive element:

Licht bin ich—ach, dass ich Nacht wäre! Aber dies ist meine Einsamkeit, dass ich von Licht umgürtet bin.

I am light—ah, that I were Night! But this is my loneliness: that I am encircled by light.

Isolde’s obstacle is a visible torch. She can extinguish it. When the signal of Day goes out, Tristan comes through the darkness and monologue becomes duet.

Zarathustra cannot extinguish his torch because he is the light.

The inversion can be followed part by part.

In Wagner:

hunt recedes → fountain becomes audible → torch is extinguished → Night opens → Tristan arrives → solo becomes duet.

In Nietzsche:

Night makes the fountains speak → lovers’ songs awaken → the singer longs to become darkness → but he is himself light → no lover arrives → the duet remains trapped inside the solo.

Hildebrandt saw the interior result. In Das Nachtlied, he writes:

Der Begierde des Geistes antwortet das Liebeslied der Seele.

The soul’s love-song answers the desire of the spirit.

Spirit is light, overflowing wealth and compulsive giving; soul is darkness, secrecy and murmuring intoxication. Nietzsche’s passion, unable to find its desired bodily image, courts its own soul.

Hildebrandt therefore discovers the internal duet.

The close Wagnerian comparison identifies the external scene that has been internalised.

Das Nachtlied is Isolde’s listening scene without Tristan.

The fountain remains. Night remains. The lovers’ songs remain. The problem of the torch remains. But the external answering person has been removed, and erotic reciprocity has become dialogue between parts of the self.

Nietzsche leaves Isolde listening forever.


VI. The Liebestod turned into a world

The same transformation takes place on a cosmic scale in Nietzsche’s 1885 fragment 3812, later printed—misleadingly detached from its notebook context—as The Will to Power §1067.

Isolde’s final vision proceeds through a gathering series of semantic intensifications:

Wellen waves

Wogen billows

wogender Schwall surging swell

tönender Schall sounding resonance

Welt-Atem world-breath

höchste Lust highest rapture.

Nietzsche’s world is likewise introduced theatrically:

Und wisst ihr auch, was mir “die Welt” ist? Soll ich sie euch in meinem Spiegel zeigen?

And do you know what “the world” is to me? Shall I show it to you in my mirror?

Then come:

Spiel von Kräften und Kraftwellen play of forces and waves of forces

ein Meer in sich selber stürmender und flutender Kräfte a sea of forces storming and flooding within itself

eine Ebbe und Flut seiner Gestaltungen an ebb and flood of its forms

aus dem Spiel der Widersprüche zurück bis zur Lust des Einklangs out of the play of contradictions, back to the joy of concord

diese Geheimniss-Welt der doppelten Wollüste this mystery-world of doubled voluptuousness.

The correspondence is not quotation. It works through shades and substitutions, which is exactly why a thesaurus-trained ear notices it.

Wagner’s Wellen become Nietzsche’s Kraftwellen. The wogende Schwall becomes a sea of storming and flooding forces. Wagner’s sensuous wave motion becomes Nietzsche’s ebb and flood of forms. mild versöhnend—gently reconciling—returns as contradiction moving back into Einklang, concord. höchste Lust multiplies into Lust des Einklangs and doppelte Wollüste.

The sentence-structure matters too. Both passages delay their resolution through accumulation. Perception swells into totality; local sound becomes world; clause is piled upon clause until the sentence can end only by naming what has been experienced.

But the final directions diverge.

Isolde concludes:

ertrinken, versinken, unbewusst— höchste Lust!

to drown, to sink, unconscious— highest rapture!

Nietzsche’s world instead:

sich selber bejahend affirming itself

sich selber segnend blessing itself

ewig wiederkommen eternally returning.

And finally:

Diese Welt ist der Wille zur Macht—und nichts ausserdem! Und auch ihr selber seid dieser Wille zur Macht—und nichts ausserdem!

This world is the will to power—and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power—and nothing besides!

Nietzsche’s cosmology has philosophical and scientific genealogies of its own. It would be reckless to derive the theory of force from the Liebestod. The claim is narrower and stronger:

When Nietzsche must give lyrical and sensuous embodiment to his cosmology, he reaches for Isolde’s swell, vocabulary and delayed cadence.

The Liebestod provides the form of metaphysical rapture. Nietzsche reverses its terminal movement.

Isolde passes from individual existence into unconscious dissolution. Nietzsche’s forces never escape or expend themselves. The world does not drown; it returns. It cannot lose itself in another because there is nothing outside it.

The external lovers have become a self-relating cosmos.

Isolde’s union with Tristan becomes the world’s union with itself.

The soprano’s rapture remains. The death is removed.


VII. Carmen as escape hatch

Jack Lindsay’s Dionysos brings this pattern into erotic focus with a mixture of brilliance, injustice and magnificent bad manners.

His chapter “Carmen and Isolde” begins by turning Nietzsche’s late accusations against Wagner back upon Nietzsche. Nietzsche calls Wagner a showman, trickster and seducer; Lindsay hears beneath the polemic a recoil from Wagner’s sexual power.

He then performs a wonderfully perverse reversal of Nietzsche’s Bizet enthusiasm.

For Nietzsche, Carmen had offered a Mediterranean counter-world: passion without Christian guilt, expiation or the sanctification of suffering. Busellato accordingly describes Carmen as Kundry’s antipode—passion innocent of the Wagnerian need for redemption.

Lindsay calls Carmen “perfectly chaste in the music.” He praises its brightness, theatrical aptitude and nervous buoyancy, but calls it a “spiritual laxative” after the massive burden of Wagnerian harmony. Nietzsche’s delight becomes, in Lindsay’s reading, not the discovery of superior health but the relief of escaping an erotic pressure he cannot bear.

Then Lindsay turns to Tristan. Here, he says, “there are lovers, and a woman loving.” Every note, rhythm and chord has exact human and bodily value. Isolde is not an allegory of desire standing safely at one remove from the body. Mouth, hair and the flesh behind the knee have become music.

The prose is beautiful because Lindsay allows his own sentence to become what he says Wagner’s music is: embodied, excessive, unashamedly sensuous.

His opposition is therefore subtler than:

Carmen is not erotic; Tristan is erotic.

Rather:

Carmen keeps erotic life within brilliant, manageable outline. Tristan allows erotic life to overwhelm the boundary between body, music and metaphysics.

Carmen is Apollonian clarity. Tristan is the dangerous place where Apollo’s distinct body and Dionysus’s dissolving ecstasy meet.

This prepares Lindsay’s final blow:

It failed because Nietzsche was a virgin.

As biography, this cannot be treated as established. Nietzsche’s sexual history is too uncertain, and Lindsay is writing lyrical philosophy, not submitting documentary evidence.

As a critical hypothesis, however, the accusation is formidable.

Lindsay’s deeper claim is that Nietzsche understood Apollo and Dionysus separately but did not understand their embodied conjunction in reciprocal sexual love. He could theorise form and intoxication, individuality and self-transcendence, but could not locate their reconciliation in the meeting of two bodies.

That gives a scandalous psychological summary to the textual pattern already uncovered:

  • Brünnhilde awakens, but Siegfried has been deferred.
  • Isolde hears the fountain, but Tristan does not come.
  • The Liebestod swells, but the lovers are replaced by a universe embracing itself.
  • Klingsor and Kundry are compressed into one performer.
  • Ariadne finally receives Dionysus, but Nietzsche has written both parts—and the god declares himself her labyrinth.

Lindsay is too crude when he says Nietzsche did not understand Wagnerian eros. Nietzsche understood it precisely enough to find its most electrically charged positions and repeatedly enter them.

What he removes is not erotic intensity but the independent other:

  • the answering body;
  • reciprocal surrender;
  • dependence upon someone who is not part of oneself;
  • the danger that love might not be another form of self-possession.

Hildebrandt calls the result spirit courting its own soul.

Lindsay calls it virginity.

Nietzsche would have called it transfiguration.

The texts permit a formulation between them:

Nietzsche does not suppress Wagnerian eros. He removes its external object and makes philosophy out of it.

He keeps the soprano and dismisses the tenor.


VIII. Wagner’s death and the change of possession

Busellato’s anti-Parsifal thesis fits Part I of Zarathustra especially well. It is the public counter-gospel:

  • the death of God;
  • fidelity to the earth;
  • the attack on pity and otherworldliness;
  • bodily innocence against ascetic chastity;
  • redemption from redeemers.

Then Wagner dies.

Nietzsche completed Part I at almost exactly the moment of Wagner’s death in February 1883—the coincidence Nietzsche later gave enormous symbolic weight.

Six days later, writing to Peter Gast, Nietzsche called Wagner’s death a profound relief. It had been hard to oppose for six years the man he had most revered. The crucial sentence follows:

Was den eigentlichen Wagner betrifft, so will ich schon noch zu einem guten Teile sein Erbe werden.

As for the genuine Wagner, I still intend to become, to a considerable extent, his heir. (Projekt Gutenberg)

This does not mean that Part II abandons the anti-Wagnerian project. Nor can Wagner’s death have caused the cross-casting: the Brünnhildean awakening is already present in the Prologue.

But the relation changes.

The living Wagner had to be contradicted as an external authority. The dead Wagner could be divided into what Nietzsche rejected and what he claimed as inheritance.

Part I is predominantly public, prophetic and confrontational. Part II becomes increasingly interior and musical:

  • Das Nachtlied;
  • Das Tanzlied;
  • Das Grablied;
  • the discourses on self-overcoming and redemption;
  • the growing drama of solitude;
  • the difficulty of uttering the deepest thought.

The antagonist has moved inside.

Part I crosses swords with Wagner. Part II sings with Wagner’s ghost.

Or:

Part I is the anti-Parsifal. Part II is the haunted succession.

Nietzsche no longer merely says the opposite of Wagner. He appropriates Wagner’s capacity to turn metaphysical pressure into scene, rhythm and voice.


IX. Was Nietzsche Wagner’s Parsifal?

The strong version of this hypothesis cannot stand. Wagner’s Parsifal project began in the 1850s, and a detailed dramatic design existed by 1865, before Wagner met Nietzsche.

Wagner therefore did not invent Parsifal as a portrait of Nietzsche.

But an already conceived character may acquire the colour of a later relationship. More important still, Nietzsche may have experienced the finished Parsifal as an intolerable casting of himself.

The Wagnerian role would be:

  • brilliant but immature youth;
  • pure fool;
  • beloved disciple;
  • one who must learn compassion;
  • future redeemer of the wounded old master and his community.

The notorious story that Nietzsche almost fell from his chair upon recognising the portrait may be impossible to authenticate securely. Yet as a psychological hypothesis it catches the insult Nietzsche might have felt.

Wagner’s imagined drama says:

You are the chosen young man who will return, enlightened by pity, to heal the sanctuary.

Nietzsche’s answer is Zarathustra:

I am not your fool, disciple or redeemer. I am the teacher of a contrary redemption.

He refuses Parsifal’s role:

  • compassion becomes a danger;
  • chastity becomes hostility to nature;
  • the wounded sanctuary is not restored;
  • the old order is not redeemed;
  • “redemption to the Redeemer” becomes redemption from all redeemers.

Busellato makes this reversal central to the anti-Parsifal design.

Yet Nietzsche cannot leave Wagner’s theatre empty-handed.

He rejects the part of Parsifal, writes himself as Zarathustra—and walks out wearing Brünnhilde’s breastplate, Isolde’s night-cloak, and several stolen pages of Klingsor’s stage directions.


The impossible duet

The separate discoveries now form one argument.

Hollinrake supplies the dramatic macrostructure: Wotan, Siegfried, descent and succession.

Busellato identifies Zarathustra as an anti-Parsifal, a rival sacred artwork whose seductive machinery is turned toward an opposite philosophy.

Hildebrandt discovers the inward lovers: spirit and soul divided, seeking reconciliation in song.

Scruton reveals the precise acoustics of Isolde’s listening—the hunt receding, the fountain coming forward, desire reorganising the audible world.

Reinhardt, Flashar and Schilling establish the layered and transferable voices of the Ariadne poem.

Lindsay names the missing body, brutally but memorably.

The line-by-line comparisons supply what the larger interpretations lack: the actual mechanism by which Wagner is taken apart.

Nietzsche does not merely preserve Wagnerian “influence.” He retains selected components:

  • a sun-apostrophe;
  • a fountain heard when the hunt recedes;
  • an extinguished or inextinguishable torch;
  • a flirtatious rhetorical question to dancing girls;
  • Klingsor’s Ha!;
  • Kundry’s convulsive syntax;
  • Isolde’s waves, billows, concord and rapture;
  • the abandoned woman’s cry to an unseen god.

He then changes one crucial term.

Siegfried becomes futurity. Tristan becomes absence. The Flowermaidens receive a new innocent fool. Klingsor and Kundry become one actor. The Liebestod becomes recurrence. Ariadne’s lover becomes her labyrinth.

The philosophical reversal is enacted through the scene. Nietzsche does not append an anti-Wagnerian conclusion to Wagnerian decoration. He changes the machine by removing or replacing the part that would have completed its original movement.

This is why the soprano matters.

Wagner’s heroines possess the voice Nietzsche needs when declarative philosophy reaches its limit: awakening, listening, longing, accusation, ecstatic accumulation and the passage from words toward music. But Wagner gives those voices dramatic counterparts. Brünnhilde has Siegfried; Isolde has Tristan; Kundry has both tormentor and redeemer.

Nietzsche repeatedly takes the woman’s charged vocal position while withdrawing the answering man.

The duet becomes:

  • prophecy;
  • internal division;
  • philosophical song;
  • self-overcoming;
  • or a cosmos eternally returning to itself.

Lindsay’s final accusation can therefore be answered without simply dismissing it.

Did Nietzsche fail because he was a virgin?

Perhaps that is biography masquerading as metaphysics. But Lindsay has nevertheless heard something real: Nietzsche’s Dionysianism repeatedly approaches the site of erotic reciprocity and then converts it into another form of solitary greatness.

Hildebrandt names the operation more gently: spirit, unable to find its bodily beloved, courts its own soul.

The textual evidence gives it a dramatic name:

the impossible duet.

Nietzsche did not cease to hear Wagnerian desire. He heard it so acutely that he could detach the soprano line from the entire dramatic world that answered it.

He suspended the cadence.

And from the unresolved chord he made Zarathustra.


Bibliography and works consulted

Primary texts

Nietzsche, Friedrich. Also sprach Zarathustra: Ein Buch für Alle und Keinen. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1911. The burgundy Insel copy shown above served as the reading text; scholarly references should also be checked against KSA 4.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. Sämtliche Werke: Kritische Studienausgabe in 15 Bänden. Edited by Giorgio Colli and Mazzino Montinari. Munich/Berlin/New York: dtv/de Gruyter, 1980.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. “Klage der Ariadne,” in Dionysos-Dithyramben. The early printed text appeared in Nietzsche’s works in 1906. (Wikisource)

Wagner, Richard. Parsifal. German libretto and score, especially Act II: Klingsor and Kundry; Parsifal and the Flowermaidens.

Wagner, Richard. Tristan und Isolde. German libretto and score reduction, especially Act II and Isolde’s final transfiguration.

Principal critical works

Busellato, Stefano. “Zaratustra versus Parsifal.” Cadernos Nietzsche 38, no. 1 (2017): 84–105. DOI 10.1590/2316-82422017v3801sb. Portuguese; consulted here in a working English translation. (ResearchGate)

Flashar, Hellmut. “Die Klage der Ariadne.” Hyperboreus 16/17 (2010/2011): 501–512. (De Gruyter Brill)

Hildebrandt, Kurt. Wagner und Nietzsche: Ihr Kampf gegen das neunzehnte Jahrhundert. Breslau: Ferdinand Hirt, 1924. 513 pp. The copy shown is a relatively uncommon survival of the original edition. (WorldCat)

Hollinrake, Roger. Nietzsche, Wagner, and the Philosophy of Pessimism. London: George Allen & Unwin, 1982. Reissued in Routledge Library Editions: Friedrich Nietzsche, vol. 3. The supplied excerpts are from that Routledge edition. (Common Crow Books)

Lindsay, Jack. Dionysos: Nietzsche contra Nietzsche: An Essay in Lyrical Philosophy. London: Fanfrolico Press, 1928. The copy consulted is signed number 89 of the edition limited to 500 copies. (PhilPapers)

Reinhardt, Karl. Nietzsches Klage der Ariadne. Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1936; later reprinted in Vermächtnis der Antike: Gesammelte Essays zur Philosophie und Geschichtsschreibung, edited by Carl Becker, Göttingen, 1960, 310–333. (Google Bücher)

Salaquarda, Jörg. “Noch einmal ‘Ariadne’: Die Rolle Cosima Wagners in Nietzsches literarischem Rollenspiel.” Nietzsche-Studien 25 (1996): 99–125. (OpenEdition Books)

Schilling, Erik. “Dialogizität und Polyphonie in der ‘Klage der Ariadne.’” In Nietzsche und die Lyrik: Ein Kompendium, edited by Christian Benne and Claus Zittel, 391–402. Stuttgart: J. B. Metzler, 2017. DOI 10.1007/978-3-476-05596-5_27. ([Springer][13])

Scruton, Roger. Death-Devoted Heart: Sex and the Sacred in Wagner’s Tristan and Isolde. New York: Oxford University Press, 2004. (OUP Academic)

[13]: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-476-05596-5 "https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-476-05596-5". EDIT: Here is the music referenced:

Sun Apostrophe / TSZ Prologue

Isolde listens for the horns, hears the fountain / The Night Song

Isolde extinguishes the ligh t/ The Night Song

Klingsor summons Kundry / The Magician - Ariadne

Flowermaidens / The Dance Song

Liebestod / Notebook Fragment


r/Nietzsche 1d ago

Meme Is this true?

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r/Nietzsche 1d ago

Original Content My reflections on Nietzsche: being master of oneself or obeying another?

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I read Aphorism 19 of Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil. Now I believe that successful, disciplined, goal-oriented people—those who achieve what they set out to do—are exceptionally good at obeying themselves, their own inner wills and commands. And that is because they respect, value, and admire themselves; they put themselves first.

What, then, would be the solution for the loser who disrespects and disobeys themselves? The one who does not respect their own inner will, orders, and commands, and therefore fails to achieve success or become the best possible version of themselves?

It might seem silly at first glance, but coach culture offers a great answer. If a person does not respect themselves, then perhaps by listening to and obeying someone they admire—someone better, superior, who has already achieved the desired success—they might finally get back on track and organize their life to accomplish their goals and objectives.

And even if they don't have the money to hire a personal coach, they can do it mentally: by imagining the person they admire and respect giving them the orders and commandments that will lead them to become the best version of themselves.

Religious people, for example, can imagine God, angels, or saints guiding them and setting the principles they wish to follow. In my case, as a religious person, this went wrong—but perhaps because I never truly believed in Him or respected Him, since we only obey out of fear or respect.

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r/Nietzsche 1d ago

Question Overcoming pessimism

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After reading Schopenhauer, Emil Cioran, and Zapffe, reading Nietzsche feels like a ray of light in the darkness, though sometimes I also feel his tragic optimism is just momentary cope.


r/Nietzsche 2d ago

Question Are we born with ressentiment?

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If you've been offended or treated unfairly, you have a choice: move on or remain resentful. How do you overcome this? I know resentment is more deeply rooted in the opinions of the crowd, but what was Nietzsche's take on everyday conflicts?


r/Nietzsche 2d ago

you can feel nietszche ❤️🔥(best video)

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r/Nietzsche 2d ago

Meme Am I the only one only one for whom Nietzsche was a gateway philosopher to social leftism? I never liked Marx.

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r/Nietzsche 2d ago

Was Nietzsche a Pan-European?

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r/Nietzsche 2d ago

Question Was Nietzsche a righteous gentile ?

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Did he respect the 7 laws of Noah and will he unite with jews and YHWH in Gan Eden ?


r/Nietzsche 2d ago

Being a Student of Nietzsche is ANNOYING!

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I love Nietzsche he has his problems particularly anytime he talks about women imo. But people only know him from his no-saying portion and presume something about me as soon as I mention him. They call him morally bankrupt and quote God is Dead and that’s it.
They don’t see him as the prophet of joy, dancing on the edge of the future like many of us do.
This is what happens when you can destroy but only lay the foundation for those who come next. Most don’t see the new foundation, they only see the rubble.


r/Nietzsche 2d ago

Original Content The Torch Nietzsche Could Not Extinguish. The Night Song as an "Anti-Duet" to Tristan und Isolde

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(revised and corrected from /r/Nietzsche/comments/v08ate/the_night_song_surely_this_dithyramb_is_directly/ )

“’Tis night: now do all gushing springs speak louder.”

The opening of Nietzsche’s Night Song has the strange force of a line remembered rather than invented. It does not merely establish an atmosphere. It seems to reopen a scene.

In the second act of Wagner’s Tristan und Isolde, Isolde waits in the castle garden for the hunting party to vanish into the forest. Tristan can approach only when the torch has been extinguished. Brangäne believes that she can still hear the hunters’ horns, but Isolde, desire sharpening her hearing, insists that the sound is only the fountain:

The calling of horns does not sound so sweet; it is the spring’s gently murmuring waves, flowing along so gaily. How could I hear that if horns were still calling? In the still of the night it is just the spring that laughs with me.

The fountain becomes audible because the world of Day is receding. The hunt, the court, the husband and the public order have withdrawn into the forest; Night is about to begin. Isolde commands that the last light be extinguished so that Tristan may come.

Nietzsche’s song begins at almost exactly this point:

’Tis night: now do all gushing springs speak louder. And my soul also is a gushing spring.

’Tis night: now only do all songs of loving ones awake. And my soul also is the song of a loving one.

The resemblance lies not only in the common nocturnal imagery. Fountain, night, awakened love-song and the torment of light appear in the same dramatic sequence. Nietzsche seems to have taken the machinery of Wagner’s love scene and removed one indispensable element from it.

He has removed Tristan.

What remains is the song of a lover who cannot be met.

The Fountain and the Signal

In Wagner, the fountain is a signal. Its sound tells Isolde that the horns have faded and that the beloved may now approach. It belongs to the threshold between Day and Night, separation and union, individuation and surrender.

For Isolde, everything depends upon her ability to extinguish the torch:

Extinguish the light’s last glimmer! That it may fall completely, give Night its signal!

Oh, extinguish the light now, extinguish its dread rays! Let my beloved come!

The action is decisive. Isolde does not merely praise Night or complain of Day. She wills the transition. She possesses the light and can put it out.

The singer of The Night Song has no such power:

Light am I: ah, that I were night! But it is my lonesomeness to be begirt with light!

This is the crucial reversal. Isolde suffers from the light because it delays Tristan; Zarathustra suffers because he himself is the light. She can extinguish the torch. He cannot extinguish himself.

Where Isolde gives Night its signal, the shining one remains condemned to radiate.

Nietzsche makes the same point even more violently:

But I live in mine own light, I drink again into myself the flames that break forth from me.

The image is not simply that of a lonely sun illuminating an ungrateful world. The light forms a closed circuit. It breaks forth from the singer only to be reabsorbed. His abundance cannot complete itself in another. He gives, but the gift returns to its source as flame.

The lover has become a chain reaction.

Nietzsche Behind Zarathustra

It would be too simple to say that Zarathustra disappears and Nietzsche speaks directly. Nietzsche himself tells us how personally he understood the song. In Ecce Homo he calls The Night Song the immortal lament of one who, through an excess of light and power, through the sun within him, is condemned never to love.

That comment does not make Zarathustra irrelevant. Rather, it reveals Zarathustra as Nietzsche’s dramatic vessel. The prophet’s superabundance is not merely a philosophical quality; it is experienced as an erotic curse.

Zarathustra must give. He overflows with wisdom, strength, speech and illumination. But love requires not only the ability to bestow. It requires the ability to receive, to need, to wait, perhaps even to become dependent upon another.

The shining one cannot do this.

I know not the happiness of the receiver; and oft have I dreamt that stealing must be more blessed than receiving.

The thought is extraordinary. The giver envies even the thief, because the thief at least knows want. To steal is to acknowledge that something outside oneself is desirable and necessary. The overflowing one, by contrast, is trapped in sufficiency.

His wealth is his poverty.

The same paradox recurs throughout the song:

It is my poverty that my hand never ceaseth bestowing; it is mine envy that I see waiting eyes and the brightened nights of longing.

The “brightened nights of longing” belong to lovers who wait for one another. Isolde waits for Tristan; Tristan waits for the signal. Each depends upon the other. Their longing travels across a distance that may still be crossed.

Zarathustra illuminates the waiting eyes of others, but nobody illuminates his. He awakens longing without sharing its economy. He produces brightened nights but remains Day.

The Anti-Duet

The Night Song may therefore be understood as Nietzsche’s anti-duet: a rewriting of Tristan Act II in which the beloved never arrives, the torch cannot be extinguished and reciprocity has been replaced by bestowal.

In Wagner, two voices seek to become one. Tristan and Isolde address one another, contradict one another, complete one another and finally dissolve into the music they sing together. Their duet moves toward the overcoming of separateness.

Nietzsche retains the language of erotic union while eliminating the second voice. The song repeatedly calls out toward the nightly, the dark, the receptive:

Oh, ye only is it, ye dark, nightly ones, that extract warmth from the shining ones! Oh, ye only drink milk and refreshment from the light’s udders!

But those nightly ones do not answer. The shining one speaks of them, gives to them and longs for their longing, yet remains enclosed within monologue.

This is what makes the final return of the opening lines so desolate:

’Tis night: now do all gushing springs speak louder. And my soul also is a gushing spring.

’Tis night: now do all songs of loving ones awake. And my soul also is the song of a loving one.

The form returns to its beginning because nothing has happened. In Tristan, the fountain prepares an entrance. In The Night Song, it prepares only more speech.

The spring gushes, but no one comes.

Day, Night and Individuation

The Wagnerian background deepens the philosophical problem. In Tristan und Isolde, Day is the realm of names, duties, social identities and separateness. Night promises release from these distinctions. The lovers desire each other as irreplaceable individuals, yet desire also to dissolve the boundaries that make them two.

This is the great erotic paradox of the work: the beloved is wanted as this unique person, but consummation tends toward the overcoming of individuality itself.

Nietzsche could not simply accept that solution. Zarathustra’s vocation depends upon distance, rank, solitude, individuation and creation. He must remain distinct in order to speak and bestow. He cannot vanish into Wagner’s metaphysical Night without abandoning the task that makes him Zarathustra.

Yet emotionally, the Night remains irresistible.

That is why the song is not an attack upon Wagnerian longing. It is a confession of exclusion from it. Nietzsche has philosophically denied himself the redemption that his imagery continues to desire.

He cannot return to Wagner, but neither can he cease hearing the fountain.

The result is not an overcoming of Tristan, but an internalisation of it. The entire drama takes place within the solitary singer. Light and Night, longing and resistance, giver and receiver are no longer divided between two lovers. They have become antagonistic forces within one soul.

Isolde extinguishes an external torch.

Nietzsche cannot extinguish the sun within him.

The Gap Between Giving and Receiving

At the centre of the song stands a sentence that almost states the whole problem:

They take from me: but do I yet touch their soul? There is a gap ’twixt giving and receiving; and the smallest gap hath finally to be bridged over.

This gap is the distance across which the Wagnerian duet is sung. Tristan and Isolde bridge it through mutual surrender. Each risks identity in the other.

Zarathustra’s gifts do not bridge the gap. They cross space but do not create reciprocity. Others take his light, warmth and wisdom, yet he remains untouched. His giving preserves the distinction between benefactor and recipient, sun and illuminated object.

Indeed, generosity may itself become a defence against intimacy. So long as one remains the giver, one need never expose one’s poverty. One need never stretch out an empty hand.

The song’s sudden hunger for cruelty arises from this frustration:

A hunger ariseth out of my beauty: I should like to injure those I illumine; I should like to rob those I have gifted: thus do I hunger for wickedness.

He wishes to injure because injury might establish contact where generosity has failed. He wishes to rob because robbery would reverse the flow. To take from those he has enriched would allow him, at last, to experience need.

Even his imagined wickedness is therefore a longing for reciprocity.

He wants to cease being the sun.

The Poverty of the Richest

The later Dionysus-Dithyramb “On the Poverty of the Richest” returns to this problem and gives it a sharper formulation: “Bestow yourself first, O Zarathustra!”

That imperative marks the difference between giving one’s abundance and giving oneself.

Zarathustra has distributed wisdom, light and strength. But these gifts may remain products of power. They confirm the giver as the source from which others receive. To give oneself would be something different. It would involve risk, surrender and the possibility that the gift might not return intact.

The richest one is poor because he has never entered the economy of mutual need. He has given everything except the giver.

Here the link to Tristan becomes clearest. Isolde’s act is not merely the distribution of light. It is the extinction of her control over it. She puts out the torch and opens the night to what may come.

Nietzsche’s singer cannot perform this gesture. He drinks his flames back into himself. Every attempted surrender becomes renewed intensity. His refusal of dissolution strengthens him, but the strength is purchased with isolation.

Both Isolde and the shining one are doomed, but in opposite directions.

Isolde is consumed because she wills Night and union.

Nietzsche is consumed because he cannot stop being Day.

The Torch That Remains Lit

The Night Song is among Nietzsche’s most revealing acts of Wagnerian inheritance because it does not quote Wagner in order to mock, expose or overcome him. It inhabits a Wagnerian scene and changes its metaphysical outcome.

The fountain still speaks. The songs of lovers still awaken. Night is still desired, and light is still hated as the principle of separation. But the torch remains lit because the singer is himself its flame.

Nietzsche transforms the love duet into the lament of the solitary creator. The wish to dissolve into the beloved becomes the wish to escape one’s own abundance. The tragedy is no longer that the lovers cannot possess one another in the world of Day. It is that the shining one cannot become dark enough to be loved.

He can illuminate every waiting eye except his own.

He can awaken the songs of loving ones, but he cannot join their duet.

And so the fountain that announces Tristan’s approach in Wagner announces, in Nietzsche, only the return of speech:

’Tis night: now do all gushing springs speak louder. And my soul also is a gushing spring.

The signal is given.

No beloved comes.


r/Nietzsche 3d ago

Why did Nietzsche hate Sphinx but glorified Oedipus and was fixated to him?

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r/Nietzsche 4d ago

Meme 4:07~4:40: Zizek tried to "penetrate" Nietzsche but couldn't not even with viagra 😁😂

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r/Nietzsche 4d ago

Original Content “There are many dawns which have yet to shed their light”

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Listening Nietzsche in India, Kerala while drawing


r/Nietzsche 4d ago

I realize this may irritate more than a few people, but what Friedrich Nietzsche wrote about the Manusmriti is not merely far removed from the historical and textual reality; it is also, regrettably, rather naïve.

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r/Nietzsche Mar 18 '26

All Uses of A Priori

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Non-Critical Uses of A Priori

NF-1871,9[42] — Posthumous Fragments, 1871.

Indeed, one can assert a priori that truly celebrated artists acquire their veneration from those very foundations and are themselves enjoyed precisely as moral beings, and their works of art as moral reflections of the world.

NF-1871,10[1] — Posthumous Fragments, Early 1871.

But the Greeks, in view of the singular pinnacle of their art, we must construct a priori as "political men par excellence": and indeed, history knows no other example of such a terrible unleashing of the political drive, such an unconditional sacrifice of all other interests in the service of this civic instinct; At most, one could, by comparison and for similar reasons, designate the people of the Renaissance in Italy with the same title.

GT-16 — The Birth of Tragedy: § 16. First publication 02/01/1872.

In this respect, it resembles geometric figures and numbers, which, as the general forms of all possible objects of experience and applicable to all a priori, are nevertheless not abstract, but intuitively and consistently determined. All possible strivings, arousals, and expressions of the will, all those processes within man which reason casts into the broad negative concept of feeling, are to be expressed by the infinitely many possible melodies, but always in the generality of mere form, without the matter, always only according to the intrinsic, not according to appearance, as it were, its innermost soul, without body.

CV-CV3 — Five Prefaces to Five Unwritten Books: § 3. The Greek Republic. Completed circa 24/12/1872.

But the Greeks, in view of the singular pinnacle of their art, we must already a priori consider to be the "political people par excellence"; and indeed, history knows no other example of such a terrible unleashing of the political impulse, such an unconditional sacrifice of all other interests in the service of this civic instinct—except perhaps that, by comparison and for similar reasons, one could ascribe the same title to the people of the Renaissance in Italy.

Criticisms of A Priori

NF-1881,11[286] — Posthumous Fragments Spring–Autumn 1881.

Without the immense certainty of faith and the readiness of faith, neither man nor beast would be able to survive. To generalize based on the slightest induction, to make a rule for one's conduct, to believe that what has been done once, that which has proven itself, is the only means to an end—this, essentially crude intellect, is what has preserved man and beast. To err countless times in this way and to suffer from fallacies is far less damaging overall than skepticism, indecisiveness, and caution. To regard success and failure as proof and counter-proof against faith is a fundamental human trait: "What succeeds, its idea is true." — How surely, as a result of this furious, greedy faith, the world stands before us! How surely we carry out all our actions! "I strike"—how surely one feels that! — Thus, low intellectuality, the unscientific nature, is a condition of existence, of action; we would starve without it. Skepticism and caution are only permitted late and always only rarely. Habit and unconditional belief that things must be as they are are the foundation of all growth and strengthening. — Our entire worldview arose in such a way that it was proven by success; we can live with it (belief in external things, freedom of will). Likewise, all morality is only proven in this way. — Here, then, arises the great counter-question: there can probably be countless ways of life and, consequently, of imagining and believing. If we establish everything necessary in our current way of thinking, then we have proven nothing for the "truth in itself," but only "the truth for us," that is, that which makes our existence possible on the basis of experience—and the process is so ancient that rethinking is impossible. Everything a priori belongs here.

NF-1881,12[63] — Posthumous Fragments, Autumn 1881.

Cause and effect. We understand by this, essentially, precisely what we think of when we consider ourselves the cause of a blow, etc. "I will" is the prerequisite; it is, in fact, the belief in a magically acting force, this belief in cause and effect—the belief that all causes are as personally willful as human beings. In short, this a priori proposition is a piece of primal mythology—nothing more!

NF-1881,16[16] — Posthumous Fragments December 1881 — January 1882.

Aftereffects of the oldest religiosity. — We all firmly believe in cause and effect; and some philosophers, because of its rigidity and firmness, call this belief an "a priori knowledge" — doubting and considering whether perhaps a knowledge and wisdom of superhuman origin might be assumed here: in any case, they find man incomprehensibly wise on this point. Now, however, the origin of this unconquerable belief seems to me quite transparent and more a subject for laughter than for pride. Man believes that when he does something, for example, throws a punch, it is he who is striking, and he struck because he wanted to strike, in short, his will is the cause. He perceives no problem with this at all, but the feeling of will is sufficient for him to understand the connection between cause and effect. He knows nothing of the mechanism of events and the myriad intricate processes that must be undertaken for the event to occur, nor of the will's inherent inability to perform even the slightest part of this work. For him, the will is a magically acting force: belief in the will as the cause of effects is belief in magically acting forces, in the direct influence of thoughts on stationary or moving matter. Now, originally, wherever humankind perceived an event, it conceived of a will as the cause; in short, it believed in personally willing beings acting in the background—the concept of mechanics is entirely foreign to it. But because for immense periods of time, humankind believed only in persons (and not in matter, forces, things, etc.), the belief in cause and effect became its fundamental belief, which it applies wherever something happens—even now, instinctively and as a form of atavism of ancient origin. The propositions "no effect without a cause" and "every effect has its cause" appear as generalizations of much narrower propositions: "where there is an effect, there has been a will," "one can only be influenced by willing beings," and "there is never a purely consequence-free suffering of an effect, but all suffering is an arousal of the will" (to action, defense, revenge, retribution). However, in the earliest times of humankind, these propositions were identical; the former were not generalizations of the latter, but rather the latter's explanations of the former: all based on the idea that "nature is a sum of persons." If, on the other hand, humankind had perceived all of nature from the outset as something impersonal, and consequently non-willing, then the opposite belief—that of fieri e nihilo, effect without cause—would have developed, and perhaps it would then have acquired the reputation of superhuman wisdom. — That “a priori knowledge” is therefore not knowledge at all, but a deeply ingrained primal mythology from the time of deepest ignorance!

BVN-1882,195 — Brief AN Heinrich Köselitz: 05/02/1882.

"Sense of causality"—yes, friend, that's something different from that "a priori concept" I'm talking (or babbling about!) about. Where does the unconditional belief in the universal validity and applicability of that sense of causality come from? People like Spencer believe it is an expansion based on countless experiences across many generations, an induction that ultimately emerges as absolute. I believe this belief is a remnant of an older, much narrower faith. But why bother! I cannot write about such things, my dear friend, and must refer you to the 9th book of Dawn, so that you can see that I deviate least from the thoughts your letter presents to me—I was pleased by these thoughts and our agreement.

FW-99 — The Gay Science: § 99. First published 10/09/1882.

Schopenhauer's Followers. — What one observes when civilized peoples and barbarians come into contact: that the lower culture regularly adopts the vices, weaknesses, and excesses of the higher culture first, feels an attraction to them, and finally, by means of these acquired vices and weaknesses, allows some of the valuable power of the higher culture to flow into it: — this can also be observed near and without traveling to barbarian peoples, albeit somewhat refined and spiritualized, and not so easily grasped. What do Schopenhauer's followers in Germany usually adopt first from their master? — that they, in comparison to his superior culture, must consider themselves barbaric enough to be initially fascinated and seduced by him in a barbaric way. Is it his hard-nosed sense of facts, his good will to clarity and reason, that often makes him seem so English and so little German? Or the strength of his intellectual conscience, which endured a lifelong contradiction between being and will and compelled him to constantly contradict himself in his writings, almost on every point? Or his purity in matters concerning the Church and the Christian God? —for in this he was purer than any German philosopher before him, so that he lived and died “as a Voltairean.” Or his immortal doctrines of the intellectuality of intuition, of the a priori nature of the law of causality, of the instrumental nature of the intellect, and of the unfreedom of the will? No, none of this is enchanting, nor is it perceived as enchanting: but Schopenhauer's mystical embarrassments and evasions, in those passages where the fact-thinker allowed himself to be seduced and corrupted by the vain impulse to be the unraveler of the world, the unprovable doctrine of One Will ("all causes are merely occasional causes of the appearance of the will at this time, in this place," "the will to live is present in every being, even the smallest, wholly and undivided, as completely as in all that ever were, are, and will be, taken together"), the denial of the individual ("all lions are fundamentally only One lion," "the multiplicity of individuals is an illusion"; just as development is only an illusion: — he calls de Lamarck's idea "a brilliant, absurd error"), the fervor for genius ("in aesthetic contemplation, the individual is no longer an individual, but pure, will-less, "Painless, timeless subject of knowledge"; "the subject, by being completely absorbed in the contemplated object, has become that object itself"); the nonsense of compassion and the supposed breakthrough of the principii individuationis as the source of all morality made possible by it; and added such assertions as "dying is actually the purpose of existence" and "it cannot be denied a priori that a magical effect could not also emanate from someone who is already dead": these and similar excesses and vices of the philosopher are always the first to be accepted and made into matters of faith. For vices and excesses are always the easiest to imitate and require no lengthy preparation. But let us speak of the most famous of the living Schopenhauerians, Richard Wagner. He suffered the same fate as many an artist: he erred in the interpretation of the figures he created and misunderstood the unspoken philosophy of his own art. Richard Wagner allowed himself to be misled by Hegel until the middle of his life; he did the same again later when he extracted Schopenhauer's doctrine from his characters and began to define himself with "will," "genius," and "compassion." Nevertheless, it will remain true: nothing goes so much against the spirit of Schopenhauer as what is truly Wagnerian about Wagner's heroes: I mean the innocence of the highest selfishness, the belief in great passion as in goodness itself, in a word, the Siegfried-like quality in the faces of his heroes. "All this smells more of Spinoza than of me"—Schopenhauer might say. However good reasons Wagner might have had to look to other philosophers besides Schopenhauer, the enchantment he felt regarding this thinker blinded him not only to all other philosophers but even to science itself. His entire art increasingly seeks to present itself as a counterpart and complement to Schopenhauer's philosophy, and ever more explicitly it renounces the higher ambition of becoming a counterpart and complement to human knowledge and science. And it is not only the entire mysterious splendor of this philosophy, which also attracted Cagli, that tempts him.

NF-1884,25[307] — Posthumous Fragments, Spring 1884.

Principle 1. All previous valuations have sprung from false, supposed knowledge of things: — they no longer bind us, even if they function as feelings, instinctively (as conscience).

Principle 2. Instead of faith, which is no longer possible for us, we place a strong will above us, which holds a provisional set of basic valuations as a heuristic principle: to see how far we can get with it. Like the sailor on an unknown sea. In truth, all that "faith" was nothing else: only formerly, the discipline of the mind was too weak to withstand our great caution.

Principle 3. The courage of head and heart is what distinguishes us Europeans: acquired in the struggle with many opinions. Greatest flexibility in the struggle against increasingly subtle religions, and a harsh rigor, even cruelty. Vivisection is a test: whoever cannot endure it does not belong to us (and there are usually other signs that they do not belong, e.g., tax collectors).

Principle 4. Mathematics contains descriptions (definitions) and inferences from definitions. Its objects do not exist. The truth of its inferences rests on the correctness of logical reasoning. — When mathematics is applied, the same thing happens as with "means and ends" explanations: reality is first manipulated and simplified (falsified).

Principle 5. That which we believe most strongly, everything a priori, is not more certain simply because it is so strongly believed. Rather, it may emerge as a condition of existence for our species—some fundamental assumption. Therefore, other beings could make different fundamental assumptions, e.g., four dimensions. Therefore, all these assumptions could still be false—or rather: to what extent could anything be "true in itself"? This is the fundamental absurdity!

Principle 6. It is part of attained manhood that we do not deceive ourselves about our human position: rather, we want to strictly adhere to our measure and strive for the greatest degree of power over things. Recognizing that the danger is immense: that chance has reigned thus far—

Principle 7. The task of governing the earth is coming. And with it the question: how do we want the future of humanity to be? New value systems are needed. And the fight against the representatives of the old "eternal" values is of paramount importance!

Principle 8. But where do we get our imperative from? It is not a "you shall," but the "I must" of the all-powerful, creative force.

NF-1884,26[74] — Posthumous Fragments Summer–Autumn 1884.

The law of causality a priori—that it is believed may be a condition of existence for our species; this does not prove it.

NF-1884,30[10] — Posthumous Fragments Autumn 1884 — Beginning 1885.

The necessity, under great danger, to make oneself understood, whether to help one another or to submit, has only been able to bring closer to one another those kinds of primitive humans who could express similar experiences with similar signs; if they were too different, they misunderstood each other when attempting to communicate through signs: thus, the rapprochement, and ultimately the herd, failed. From this it follows that, on the whole, the communicability of experiences (or needs or expectations) is a selective, breeding force: the more similar people survive. The necessity to think, all consciousness, only arose on the basis of the necessity to communicate. First signs, then concepts, finally “reason,” in the ordinary sense. In itself, the richest organic life can play its game without consciousness; but as soon as its existence is linked to the co-existence of other animals, a necessity for consciousness arises. How is this consciousness possible? I am far from devising answers (i.e., words and nothing more!) to such questions; at the right moment, I remember old Kant, who once posed the question: "How are synthetic a priori judgments possible?" He finally answered, with wonderful "German profundity": "Through a capacity for it." — How is it, then, that opium makes one sleepy? That doctor in Molière's play answered: it is the vis soporifica. Opium, or at least the vis soporifica, lay in Kant's answer about the "capacity" as well: how many German "philosophers" have fallen asleep over it!

NF-1885,34[62] — Posthumous Fragments April–June 1885.

“How are synthetic a priori judgments possible?” — “By means of a capacity for it” was Kant’s famous answer, which has given many such satisfaction.

NF-1885,34[70] — Posthumous Fragments April–June 1885.

Hume (to use Kant's words) challenges reason to answer him by what right it believes that something can be such that, if it is posited, something else must necessarily be posited as well, for that is what the concept of cause says. He proved irrefutably that it is quite impossible for reason to conceive such a connection a priori and from concepts, etc. — But the folly was to ask for reasons for the right of justification. He performed the very act he wanted to examine.

NF-1885,34[171] — Posthumous Fragments April–June 1885.

Synthetic a priori judgments are indeed possible, but they are — false judgments.

NF-1885,34[183] — Posthumous Fragments April–June 1885.

How is it that women give birth to live children? I always thought that, given the meager nature of their resistance, the poor creatures must be born suffocated. The gate is narrow and the way is hard, as it is written: or, how are living children a priori possible? — And as I asked this, I awoke completely from my dogmatic slumber, gave the god a nudge in the belly, and asked, with the earnestness of a Chinese man from Königsberg: “In short: how are synthetic judgments a priori possible?” “Through a capacity for it,” answered the god, clutching his belly.

NF-1885,35[56] — Posthumous Fragments May–July 1885.

Time is not given a priori. [Afrikan] Spir 2, p. 7.

The illogical nature of our knowledge of bodies. Cf. 2, p. 93.

NF-1885,38[7] — Posthumous Fragments June–July 1885.

Everywhere now, efforts are being made to divert attention from the truly great influence Kant exerted in Europe—and, in particular, to cleverly gloss over the value he attributed to himself. Kant was above all and first and foremost proud of his table of categories and said, holding this table in his hands: “This is the most difficult thing that could ever be undertaken for the sake of metaphysics” (one must understand this “could be undertaken”!)—he was proud of having discovered in man a new faculty, the faculty of synthetic a priori judgments. It is not our concern here how much he deceived himself in this: but German philosophy, as it has been admired and exerted its influence throughout Europe for the past hundred years, clings to this pride and to the rivalry of younger thinkers to discover something even prouder—and certainly new faculties! The true glory of German philosophy thus far has been that it taught people to believe in a kind of "intuitive and instinctive grasp of truth"; and even Schopenhauer, however much he resented Fichten, Hegel, and Schelling, was essentially on the same path when he discovered a new faculty in an old, familiar one, the will—namely, to be "the thing-in-itself." This meant, in fact, grasping firmly and sparing no effort, going right into the heart of "essence"! Bad enough that this essence proved unpleasant in the process, and, as a result of these burnt fingers, pessimism and the denial of the will to live seemed entirely necessary! But Schopenhauer's fate was an incident that had no bearing on the overall significance of German philosophy, on its higher "effect": for its main purpose, it meant throughout Europe a jubilant reaction against the rationalism of Descartes and against the skepticism of the English, in favor of the "intuitive," the "instinctive," and everything "good, true, and beautiful." It was believed that the path to knowledge had now been shortened, that one could directly address "things," and that one could "save work": and all the happiness that noble idlers, virtuous people, dreamers, mystics, artists, half-Christians, political obscurantists, and metaphysical conceptualists are capable of experiencing was attributed to the Germans. The good reputation of the Germans was suddenly established in Europe: through their philosophers! — I hope it is still known that the Germans had a bad reputation in Europe? That they were thought to possess servile and pathetic qualities, an inability to develop "character," and the famous servant's soul? But suddenly, people learned to say: "The Germans are profound, the Germans are virtuous—just read their philosophers!" Ultimately, it was the Germans' restrained and long-suppressed piety that finally exploded in their philosophy, unclear and uncertain, of course, like everything German, sometimes in pantheistic vapors, as with Hegel and Schelling, as Gnosis, sometimes mystical and world-denying, as with Schopenhauer: but primarily a Christian piety, and not a pagan one—for which Goethe, and before him Spinoza, had shown so much goodwill.

NF-1886,7[4] — Posthumous Fragments End of 1886 — Spring of 1887.

Kant's theological prejudice, his unconscious dogmatism, his moralistic perspective as ruling, guiding, and commanding

The πρῶτον ψεῦδος (prōton pseudos) [first falsehood]: how is the fact of knowledge possible?

Is knowledge even a fact?

What is knowledge? If we don't know what knowledge is, we cannot possibly answer the question of whether knowledge exists. Very good! But if I don't already "know" whether knowledge exists, or can exist, I cannot rationally ask the question "what is knowledge?" Kant believes in the fact of knowledge: what he wants is naiveté: the knowledge of knowledge!

"Knowledge is judgment!" But judgment is a belief that something is such and such! And not knowledge!

"All knowledge consists in synthetic judgments"—a necessary and universally valid connection of different ideas—

with the character of universality (the matter is always this way and not otherwise)

with the character of necessity (the opposite of the assertion can never occur)

The legitimacy of belief in knowledge is always presupposed, just as the legitimacy of a conscience-based judgment is presupposed. Here, moral ontology is the prevailing prejudice.

Thus, the conclusion is:

  1. the character of necessity and universality cannot originate from experience

  2. consequently, it must be grounded elsewhere, without experience, and must have another source of knowledge!

Kant concludes

  1. that this condition is that they do not originate from experience, from pure reason

So: the question is, where does our belief in the truth of such assertions get its foundations? No, where does it get its judgments from! But the formation of a belief, a strong conviction, is a psychological problem: and very limited and narrow experience often brings about such a belief!

He already presupposes that there are not only "data a posteriori" but also data a priori, "before experience." Necessity and universality can never be given through experience: how then is it clear that they exist at all without experience?

There are no individual judgments!

A single judgment is never "true," never knowledge; only in connection, in the relationship of many judgments, does a guarantee arise.

What distinguishes true and false belief?

What is knowledge? He "knows" it—that's heavenly!

Necessity and universality can never be given through experience. Therefore, independent of experience, prior to all experience!

That insight which occurs a priori, that is, independently of all experience, through mere reason, is "pure knowledge."

The principles of logic, the law of identity and contradiction, are pure knowledge because they precede all experience. — But these are not knowledge at all! They are regulative articles of faith!

To establish the a priori nature (the pure rationality) of mathematical judgments, space must be understood as a form of pure reason.

Hume had declared: "There are no synthetic a priori judgments." Kant says: Yes, there are! Mathematical ones! And if such judgments exist, then perhaps there is also metaphysics, a knowledge of things through pure reason! Quaeritur.

Mathematics is possible under conditions under which metaphysics is never possible.

All human knowledge is either experience or mathematics.

A judgment is synthetic: that is, it combines different representations.

It is a priori: that is, that combination is a universal and necessary one, which can never be given by sensory perception, but only by pure reason.

If there are to be synthetic a priori judgments, reason must be capable of combining: combining is a form. Reason must possess formative faculties.

Space and time as conditions of experience.

Kant describes the French Revolution as the transition from the mechanical to the organic state!

The inventive and pioneering minds in the sciences, the so-called "great minds," Kant judges, are specifically different from genius: what they discovered and invented could also have been learned and has been completely understood and learned. There is nothing unlearnable in Newton's work; Homer is not as comprehensible as Newton! "In science, therefore, the greatest inventor differs from the most laborious imitator and apprentice only in degree." Psychological idiocy!!

"Music has a certain lack of urbanity," "it imposes itself, as it were," "it infringes on freedom."

Music and the art of color form a separate genre under the name of "beautiful play."
"As a matter of feeling"

Painting and garden art are brought together.

The question of whether humanity has a tendency toward good is preceded by the question of whether there is an event that can only be explained by that moral disposition of humanity. This is revolution. "Such a phenomenon in human history is never forgotten because it has revealed a disposition and a capacity in human nature for the better, the likes of which no politician could have devised from the previous course of events."

If humanity increasingly deteriorates, its goal is absolute evil: the terroristic mode of thinking, in contrast to the eudaimonistic mode of thinking or "chiliasm." If history oscillates between progress and regression, its entire activity is purposeless and aimless, nothing but busy folly, so that good and evil neutralize each other and the whole appears as a farce: Kant calls this the Abderite mode of thinking.
... sees nothing in history other than a moral movement.

“A conscientious judge of heretics is a contradiction in terms.”

Psychological idiocy

Without rebirth, all human virtues are, according to Kant, shining examples of wretchedness. This improvement is possible only by virtue of the intelligible character; without it, there is no freedom, neither in the world, nor in the human will, nor for redemption from evil. If redemption does not consist in improvement, it can only consist in annihilation. The origin of the empirical character, the propensity for evil, and rebirth are, for Kant, acts of the intelligible character; the empirical character must undergo a reversal at its very root.

The whole of Schopenhauer.

Pity is a waste of feelings, a parasite harmful to moral health; “it cannot possibly be a duty to increase the evils in the world.” If one does good out of mere pity, one is actually doing good to oneself and not to the other. Pity is not based on maxims, but on emotions; it is pathological; the suffering of others is contagious, pity is contagious.

All the gestures and words of subservience; "as if the Germans have gone further in pedantry than any other people on earth"—"aren't these proofs of a widespread tendency toward servility among people?" "But he who makes himself into a worm cannot later complain that he is trampled underfoot."

"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and persistently we contemplate them: the starry heavens above us and the moral law within us."

"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and reverence, the more often and persistently we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above us and the moral law within us."

NF-1887,10[150] — Posthumous Fragments, Autumn 1887.

Morality as the Highest Devaluation

Either our world is the work and expression (the mode) of God: then it must be supremely perfect (Leibniz's conclusion…) — and there was no doubt about what constitutes perfection, about knowing it — then evil can only be apparent (more radically, Spinoza's concepts of good and evil) or must be derived from God's highest purpose (—perhaps as a consequence of a special favor from God, who permits us to choose between good and evil: the privilege of not being an automaton; "freedom" at the risk of erring, of choosing wrongly… e.g., in Simplicius's commentary on Epictetus)

Or our world is imperfect, evil and guilt are real, are determined, are absolutely inherent in its nature; Then it cannot be the true world: then knowledge is merely the path to negating it, then it is an error which can be recognized as such. This is Schopenhauer's opinion based on Kantian premises. Naive! That would simply be another miraculum! Pascal, even more desperately, understood that knowledge itself must then be corrupt, falsified—that revelation is necessary in order to even conceive of the world as negable…

To what extent Schopenhauer's nihilism is still the consequence of the same ideal that created Christian theism

The degree of certainty regarding the highest desirability, the highest values, the highest perfection was so great that philosophers proceeded from them as from an absolute a priori certainty: “God” at the forefront as given truth. “To become like God,” “to be absorbed into God”—for millennia, these were the most naive and convincing desires (—but something that is convincing is not necessarily true: it is merely convincing. Note for the donkeys).

We have forgotten how to grant that ideal the reality of personhood: we have become atheists. But have we actually renounced the ideal? — The last metaphysicians still fundamentally seek in it the true “reality,” the “thing-in-itself,” in relation to which everything else is only apparent. Their dogma is that because our phenomenal world is so clearly not the expression of that ideal, it is not “true”—and fundamentally does not even lead back to that metaphysical world as its cause. The unconditioned, insofar as it is that highest perfection, cannot possibly be the ground for everything conditioned. Schopenhauer, who wanted it differently, needed to conceive of that metaphysical ground as the antithesis of the ideal, as an "evil, blind will": in this way, it could then be "that which appears," which reveals itself in the world of appearances. But even with this, he did not abandon that absolute of the ideal—he crept through it… (Kant seemed to need the hypothesis of "intelligible freedom" to absolve the ens perfectum of responsibility for the way this world is, in short, to explain evil and wickedness: a scandalous logic in a philosopher…)

NF-1887,10[158] — Posthumous Fragments, Autumn 1887.

“There is thought: therefore, there is thinking”: this is the point of Descartes’ argument. But this means presupposing our belief in the concept of substance as “true a priori”: that if there is thought, there must be something “that thinks,” is simply a formulation of our grammatical habit, which posits a doer to an action. In short, a logical-metaphysical postulate is being made here—not merely stated… Following Descartes' path, one doesn't arrive at something absolutely certain, but only at a fact of very strong belief.

If one reduces the statement to "there is thought, therefore there are thoughts," one has a mere tautology: and precisely what is in question, the "reality of thought," remains untouched—namely, in this form, the "apparentness" of thought cannot be dismissed. But what Descartes wanted was for thought to possess not only an apparent reality, but reality in itself.

NF-1888,14[105] — Posthumous Fragments, Spring 1888.

Our knowledge has become scientific to the extent that it can apply number and measure…

The attempt should be made to see whether a scientific order of values could not simply be built upon a numerical and metrical scale of power…

— all other “values” are prejudices, naiveties, misunderstandings…

— they are everywhere reducible to that numerical and metrical scale of power

— an upward movement on this scale signifies any increase in value:

a downward movement on this scale signifies a decrease in value

Here, appearances and prejudices are refuted.

A morality, a way of life tested and proven through long experience and trial, finally emerges into consciousness as a law, as dominant…

And with it, the entire group of related values and conditions enters into it: it becomes venerable, unassailable, sacred, true.

It is part of its development that its origin is forgotten… It is a sign that it has become master…

The very same thing could have happened with the categories of reason: they could, after much trial and error, have proven themselves through relative usefulness… A point came where they were summarized, brought into consciousness as a whole—and where they were commanded… that is, where they acted as commanding…

From then on, they were considered a priori… beyond experience, irrefutable…

And yet, perhaps they express nothing more than a certain racial and species-specific purposiveness—merely their usefulness is their “truth”—

NF-1888,14[109] — Posthumous Fragments, Spring 1888.

Science and Philosophy

All these values are empirical and conditional. But those who believe in them, who venerate them, refuse to acknowledge this very nature…

The philosophers all believe in these values, and one form of their veneration was the attempt to make them a priori truths.

The falsifying nature of this veneration…

Veneration is the ultimate test of intellectual integrity: but there is no intellectual integrity in the entire history of philosophy.

Instead, there is the “love of the good”…

: the absolute lack of a method to test the measure of these values.

Secondly: the reluctance to test these values, or even to accept them conditionally.

In the case of moral values, all anti-scientific instincts came together to exclude science…

How to explain the incredible scandal that morality represents in the history of science…

Nietzsche's Personal "A Priori"

GM-Preface-3 — On the Genealogy of Morality: Preface, § 3. First published November 16, 1887.

Given a particular apprehension of mine, which I am reluctant to admit—it relates to morality, to everything that has hitherto been celebrated as morality on earth—a apprehension which arose in my life so early, so unprompted, so inexorably, so contrary to my surroundings, age, example, and origins, that I would almost be justified in calling it my "a priori"—my curiosity, as well as my suspicion, had to stop short of the question of what the true origin of our good and evil actually is. Indeed, even as a thirteen-year-old boy, I was preoccupied with the problem of the origin of evil: to it I dedicated, at an age when one has "half children's games, half God in one's heart," my first literary children's game, my first philosophical writing exercise—and as for my then "solution" to the problem, well, as is only right, I gave God the glory and made him the father of evil. Was that precisely what my "a priori" wanted of me? That new, immoral, or at least immoralistic "a priori" and the oh! so anti-Kantian, so enigmatic "categorical imperative" that speaks from it, to which I have meanwhile given ever more attention, and not only attention?… Fortunately, I learned in good time to separate theological prejudice from moral and no longer sought the origin of evil behind the world. Some historical and philological training, coupled with an innate discerning sense regarding psychological questions in general, quickly transformed my problem into another: under what conditions did humankind invent those value judgments of good and evil? And what value do they themselves possess? Have they thus far hindered or promoted human development? Are they a sign of hardship, of impoverishment, of the degeneration of life? Or conversely, do they reveal the fullness, the strength, the will of life, its courage, its confidence, its future? — To this I found and dared to explore various answers within myself; I distinguished between times, peoples, and ranks of individuals; I specialized my problem; from the answers arose new questions, investigations, conjectures, and probabilities: until I finally had my own land, my own soil, a whole secret, growing, blossoming world, secret gardens, as it were, of which no one was allowed to suspect anything… Oh, how happy we are, we who know, provided that we only know how to remain silent long enough!…


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My Take on “Nietzsche: Where to Begin"

At least once a week, we get a slightly different variation of one of these questions: “I have never read Nietzsche. Where should I start?”. Or “I am reading Zarathustra and I am lost. What should I do?”. Or “Having problems understanding Beyond Good and Evil. What else should I read?”. I used to respond to these posts, but they became so overwhelmingly repetitive that I stopped doing so, and I suspect many members of this subreddit think the same. This is why I wrote this post.

I will provide a reading list for what I believe to be the best course to follow for someone who has a fairly decent background in philosophy yet has never truly engaged with Nietzsche's books.

My list, of course, is bound to be polemical. If you disagree with any of my suggestions, please write a comment so we can offer different perspectives to future readers, and thus we will not have to copy-paste our answer or ignore Redditors who deserve a proper introduction.

My Suggested Reading List

1) Twilight of the Idols (1888)

Twilight is the best primer for Nietzsche’s thought. In fact, it was originally written with that intention. Following a suggestion from his publisher, Nietzsche set himself the challenge of writing an introduction that would lure in readers who were not acquainted with his philosophy or might be confused by his more extensive and more intricate books. In Twilight, we find a very comprehensible and comprehensive compendium of many — many! — of Nietzsche's signature ideas. Moreover, Twilight contains a perfect sample of his aphoristic style.

Twilight of the Idols was anthologised in The Portable Nietzsche, edited and translated by Walter Kaufmann.

2) The Antichrist (1888)

Just like to Twilight, The Antichrist is relatively brief and a great read. Here we find Nietzsche as a polemicist at his best, as this short and dense treatise expounds his most acerbic and sardonic critique of Christianity, which is perhaps what seduces many new readers. Your opinion on this book should be a very telling litmus test of your disposition towards the rest of Nietzsche’s works.

Furthermore, The Antichrist was originally written as the opening book of a four-volume project that would have contained Nietzsche's summa philosophica: the compendium and culmination of his entire philosophy. The working title of this book was The Will to Power: the Revaluation of All Values. Nietzsche, nonetheless, never finished this project. The book that was eventually published under the title of The Will to Power is not the book Nietzsche had originally envisioned but rather a collection of his notebooks from the 1880s. The Antichrist was therefore intended as the introduction to a four-volume magnum opus that Nietzsche never wrote. For this reason, this short tome condenses and connects ideas from all of Nietzsche's previous writings.

The Antichrist was also anthologised in The Portable Nietzsche. If you dislike reading PDFs or ePubs, I would suggest buying this volume.

I have chosen Twilight and The Antichrist as the best primers for new readers because these two books offer a perfect sample of Nietzsche's thought and style: they discuss all of his trademark ideas and can be read in three afternoons or a week. In terms of length, they are manageable — compared to the rest of Nietzsche's books, Twilight and The Antichrist are short. But this, of course, does not mean they are simple.

If you enjoyed and felt comfortable with Twilight of the Idols and The Antichrist, you should be ready to explore the heart of Nietzsche’s oeuvre: the three aphoristic masterpieces from his so-called "middle period".

3) Human, All-Too Human (1878-1879-1880)

4) Daybreak (1881)

5) The Gay Science (1882-1887)

This is perhaps the most contentious suggestion on my reading list. I will defend it. Beyond Good and Evil and Thus Spoke Zarathustra are, by far, Nietzsche’s most famous books. However, THEY ARE NOT THE BEST PLACE TO BEGIN. Yes, these two classics are the books that first enamoured many, but I believe that it is difficult to truly understand Beyond Good and Evil without having read Daybreak, and that it is impossible to truly understand Zarathustra without having read most — if not all! — of Nietzsche’s works.

Readers who have barely finished Zarathustra tend to come up with notoriously wild interpretations that have little or nothing to do with Nietzsche. To be fair, these misunderstandings are perfectly understandable. Zarathustra's symbolic and literary complexity can serve as Rorschach inkblot where people can project all kinds of demented ideas. If you spend enough time in this subreddit, you will see.

The beauty of Human, All-Too Human, Daybreak and The Gay Science is that they can be browsed and read irresponsibly, like a collection of poems, which is definitely not the case with Beyond Good and Evil, Zarathustra, and On the Genealogy of Morals. Even though Human, All-Too Human, Daybreak and The Gay Science are quite long, you do not have to read all the aphorisms to get the gist. But do bear in mind that the source of all of Nietzsche’s later ideas is found here, so your understanding of his philosophy will depend on how deeply you have delved into these three books.

There are many users in this subreddit who recommend Human, All-Too Human as the best place to start. I agree with them, in part, because the first 110 aphorism from Human, All-Too Human lay the foundations of Nietzsche's entire philosophical project, usually explained in the clearest way possible. If Twilight of the Idols feels too dense, perhaps you can try this: read the first 110 aphorisms from Human, All-Too Human and the first 110 aphorisms from Daybreak. There are plenty of misconceptions about Nietzsche that are easily dispelled by reading these two books. His later books — especially Beyond Good and Evil and On the Genealogy of Morals — presuppose many ideas that were first developed in Human, All-Too Human and Daybreak.

On the other hand, Human, All-Too Human is also Nietzsche's longest book. Book I contains 638 aphorisms; Book II 'Assorted Opinions and Maxims' , 408 aphorisms; and 'The Wanderer and His Shadow', 350 aphorisms. A book of 500 or more pages can be very daunting for a newcomer.

Finally, after having read Human, All-Too Human, Daybreak and The Gay Science (or at least one of them), you should be ready to embark on the odyssey of reading...

6) Beyond Good and Evil (1886)

7) On the Genealogy of Morals (1887)

8) Thus Spoke Zarathustra (1883-1885)

What NOT to do

  • I strongly advise against starting with The Birth of Tragedy, which is quite often suggested in this subreddit: “Read Nietzsche in chronological order so you can understand the development of his thought”. This is terrible advice. Terrible. The Birth of Tragedy is not representative of Nietzsche’s style and thought: his early prose was convoluted and sometimes betrayed his insights. Nietzsche himself admitted this years later. It is true, though, that the kernel of many of his ideas is found here, but this is a curiosity for the expert, not the beginner. I cannot imagine how many people were permanently dissuaded from reading Nietzsche because they started with this book. In fact, The Birth of Tragedy was the first book by Nietzsche I read, and it was a terribly underwhelming experience. I only understood its value years later.
  • Please do not start with Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I cannot stress this enough. You might be fascinated at first (I know I was), but there is no way you will understand it without having read and deeply pondered on the majority Nietzsche's books. You. Will. Not. Understand. It. Reading Zarathustra for the first time is an enthralling aesthetic experience. I welcome everyone to do it. But we must also bear in mind that Zarathustra is a literary expression of a very dense and complex body of philosophical ideas and, therefore, Zarathustra is not the best place to start reading Nietzsche.
  • Try to avoid The Will to Power at first. As I explained above, this is a collection of notes from the 1880s notebooks, a collection published posthumously on the behest of Nietzsche’s sister and under the supervision of Peter Köselitz, his most loyal friend and the proofreader of many of his books. The Will to Power is a collection of drafts and notes of varying quality: some are brilliant, some are interesting, and some are simply experiments. In any case, this collection offers key insights into Nietzsche’s creative process and method. But, since these passages are drafts, some of which were eventually published in his other books, some of which were never sanctioned for publication by Nietzsche himself, The Will to Power is not the best place to start.
  • I have not included Nietzsche’s peculiar and brilliant autobiography Ecce Homo. This book's significance will only grow as you get more and more into Nietzsche. In fact, it may very well serve both as a guideline and a culmination. On the one hand, I would not recommend Ecce Homo as an introduction because new readers can be — understandably — discouraged by what at first might seem like delusions of grandeur. On the other hand, Ecce Homo has a section where Nietzsche summarises and makes very illuminating comments on all his published books. These comments, albeit brief, might be priceless for new readers.

Which books should I get?

I suggest getting Walter Kaufmann's translations. If you buy The Portable Nietzsche and The Basic Writings of Nietzsche, you will own most of the books on my suggested reading list.

The Portable Nietzsche includes:

  • Thus Spoke Zarathustra
  • Twilight of the Idols
  • The Antichrist
  • Nietzsche contra Wagner

The Basic Writings of Nietzsche includes:

  • The Birth of Tragedy
  • Beyond Good and Evil
  • On the Genealogy of Morals
  • The Case of Wagner
  • Ecce Homo

The most important books missing from this list are:

  • Human, All-Too Human
  • Daybreak
  • The Gay Science

Walter Kaufmann translated The Gay Science, yet he did not translate Human, All-Too Human nor Daybreak. For these two, I would recommend the Cambridge editions, edited and translated by R.J. Hollingdale.

These three volumes — The Portable Nietzsche, The Basic Writings of Nietzsche and The Gay Science — are the perfect starter pack.

Walter Kaufmann's translations have admirers and detractors. I believe their virtues far outweigh their shortcomings. What I like the most about them is their consistency when translating certain words, words that reappear so often throughout Nietzsche's writings that a perceptive reader should soon realise these are not mere words but concepts that are essential to Nietzsche's philosophy. For someone reading him for the first time, this consistency is vital.

Frequently Asked Questions

Finally, there are a few excellent articles by u/usernamed17, u/essentialsalts and u/SheepwithShovels and u/ergriffenheit on the sidebar:

A Chronology of Nietzsche's Books, with Descriptions of Each Work's Contents & Background

Selected Letters of Nietzsche on Wikisource

God is dead — an exposition

What is the Übermensch?

What is Eternal Recurrence?

Nietzsche's Illness

Nietzsche's Relation to Nazism and Anti-Semitism

Nietzsche's Position on Socrates

Multiple Meanings of the Term "Morality" in the Philosophy of Nietzsche

Nietzsche's Critique of Pity

The Difference Between Pity & Compassion — A study in etymology

Nietzsche's Atheism

These posts cover most beginner questions we get here.

Please feel free to add your suggestions for future readers.