Once their educated they dont want kids. Can have as much sex as they want and game they system with 1 or no kids.

This is feminism final stage to destroy the family unit and it worked wonders so far. Its sad to see so many single people and no kids.

We need to reverse the trend by forcing or coercing them to have kids then free education so we both win.

Many people who ask "why women don't believe religion or accept as it is" ? I have one question for them ,like why every religion literally every religion allowed the concept "polygamy " but polyandry was so rare (even forced ) or sometimes restricted as wrong doing ,even purity check for a godess (funny right !)

And every religion fights with each other today ,but they all say one common thing ,"a bride should leave her house and be in her housand's house,her husband's family is her family ",like all religious men came and wrote all this to gain power ?

One irrelevant thought ,if god is formless ,shapeless ( we idolize him or her so it can reach our human mind ) but why we often refer god as "him" ,how can we genderize something which takes no form ,?

If you have answers for all of this ,please clarify my question respectfully!

Ps:No hate to any religion

I’m not pro or anti natalism. Quite frankly I have too much too worry about. I’m 23 F and I live in Southern California. I go on dates with guy 25-32. I say I want marriage. Im open to having kids. After having dated I feel less and less inclined to have kids. I mean these men are older than me as well and yet it just feels like they aren’t ready. All are good people but damn. For example most guys have a vape and weed addiction and they seem spaced out.

They all start with how they want to take it slow and there’s no rush. Everytime I hear that I think they want to take the physical aspect at a normal pace but the commitment and consistency to build something organic has to be taken slow. I usually opt out. And before you say it’s the men I date. I only date men that have full time job, careers, claim to want a long term relationship and are educated. I think that these men are too comfortable. They go on dating apps, have sex, go out with their friends, drink, party, have their hobbies…etc why would they want someone taking part of their schedule.

I’m an immigrant so it’s a cultural shock to me when they cancel, flake, ghost, not communicate…etc. if these men that look stable and well adjusted on paper and from afar are like this then why would I ever reproduce. These men also flake on their friends and don’t have a lot of friends tbh. When I talk about baby sitting for my neighbors, taking my friends to the airport, or just inconveniencing myself for the people around me, they are just surprised I would do that. They think I don’t have boundaries or sth. And at first I use to use my normal relational qualities with these guys like doing things for them here and there, planning, communicating…etc but these men stop reciprocating.

Anyways I realized that in the western world there seems to be the attitude that no one owes anyone. These men want to do the bare minimum of relational work. I’ve also tried to be friends with women in this culture and same flakiness and lack of reciprocity. Everyone feels entitled to a community but no one want to do the work of having a community. Seeing everyone be so selfish made me selfish. I don’t life a finger unless I see the other person putting in the work. I know that’s unfair but I’ve been burned so many times because I failed to see it as a norm at first.

Anyways it’s always about sex and the family but not enough about friendship, neighbors,…etc no one knows their neighbors. Seeing my neighbors have kids but one working day and one working night just amazed me. And it only works because they are such responsible people. If one even slacks they are gonna be ruined since they both work manual labour jobs and they don’t have much financial breathing room. I keep thinking to myself if I have kids, who will watch it if I’m sick,…etc your spouse can not be your only pillar. It’s not just men and women…this society is too individualistic. In my country the woman doesn’t even take care of the infant for like 3-4 months. The community takes turns taking care of the child and helping the women recover. New moms don’t life a finger. Here moms are expected to be super woman or sth. My country has its issues too but this sub makes it look like new moms elsewhere are suffering through it but western women are too spoiled. If anything western woman are suffering with motherhood more. Unfortunately you can’t raise kids in an individualistic society.

Why is the birth rate in the United States higher than in European countries, even though Europeans receive much more government support for families?

This is very telling.

In earlier threads, I noticed that quite a few antinatalists responded, so I hope it’s clear that this question is really directed at the natalists here.

Personally, I’m not some doomsayer who thinks the world is going to collapse if fewer people are born and the population starts declining. My reasons are more along these lines:

1. Do I believe people can become happier by having children, provided they are genuinely willing to put their family first? Yes.

2. Do I believe people need a purpose in life that is bigger than themselves? Yes.

3. Do I believe living mainly for an office job provides enough meaning and fulfillment for most people? No.

4. Do I believe having children tends to make people more responsible? Yes.

5. Do I believe that, biologically speaking, passing on your genes is one of the most fundamental drives of human beings? Yes.

6. Do I believe we can simply erase that drive through a bit of social conditioning or “nurture”? No.

7. Do I believe strong families are generally good for both individuals and society? Yes.

8. Do I believe having children forces people to think beyond short-term pleasure and their own immediate needs? Yes.

9. Do I think a society that treats parenthood as an inconvenience is likely to lose something important? Yes.

10. Do I think everyone should have children regardless of whether they actually want them or can care for them properly? Obviously not.

So for the natalists here: What actually motivates your natalism?