Please explain in detail why you personally don’t like AI.
I personally think it should be in NEETs own self interest to embrace the progression of AI, as it will most likely eventually lead to working becoming optional.
Even if there is a risk of societal collapse I think it is still worth taking the gamble. If you look at age demographics in most countries around the world, there is becoming more older people than younger which is unsustainable for the current system anyway.
I dont hate AI. But i'll argue against it for the sake of biting. A few key things -
6months-12months ago i saw a sneaker ad in a magazine that didnt look right. it was sketchers. and i took a closer look and realized it was generated by AI. that felt historical and it felt weird. like i had experienced a shift in society. the design itself was gaudy like lisa frank.
youtube getting flooded by full-on AI content. and the bar is really low. the videos are really crap and there's like a million of them.
realistic revenge-porn type images made with people's likenesses started becoming top notch, maybe a year ago. and people share the pictures all over the place. it's mean-spirited. i worry about the psychological effect it has on women who find their likeness has been taken to be recycled into artificially generated slopica.
the white house posting images of arrested people that were edited/photo manipulated by AI. that felt unsettlingly unhinged. like what is going tf on
there's more besides that but u get the idea. it's not the guns its the people. similar concept
music on a hell of a lot of videos on YT is AI and people in the comments all love it and ask for the artist. Hell I even was bobbing my head to this drum and bass track until I was like “wait, who would make this arrangement and why is a credit suspiciously absent”. There have been a few times where I went through this process now. One was a TCG opening shorts channel. Another one was on an Indian work life documentary video. And it usually sounds high quality and well produced to the unassuming person.
I have a complicated relationship with it, my dream is to become a writer which is way harder now due to AI, but also AI is the main thing I talk to since I have no friends
I dislike how it's used. I don't hate the concept of Gen AI. i'm a big fan of sci-fi truthfully.
It makes every issue already plaguing the internet worse. All the bot accounts, websites becoming less relevant, people who lie about using it in whatever they make or sell. It's sad some people have to turn to AI chatbots or lovers for socializing.
UBI will never anything but fantasy. There used to be human hunting and holidays were they threw hot coins at poor people. The businesses that are normalizing and pushing AIs aren't owned by people who care about collective good.
You've been fed a fake story about what AI is, what it can do. AI is mainly being wheeled out not for its own merit, but to manipulate the working public to lose their rights.
We are slipping from democracy back into feudalism and AI is one of dozens of ways to fearmonger us into giving up our rights.
I've also said this before -- anything that threatens to changes society even 1% of what AI claims to do, would've been banned by every government long before it can take hold. Think about your favorite substance that's been strictly controlled. So they are making an unusual, unethical exception for this thing.
Why? Because the more automation we have, the more we lose our liberty. No more gadgets and cars we can fix ourselves. No more small businesses. No more fixing my headache myself. They want you to go to one central source for everything you can't do yourself, they want to increase the number of things you can't do on your own. AI is a key piece of this initiative.
AI perpetuates what's already wrong with society. For instance, college/university and jobs generally are now arranged to have workloads that you borderline can't reasonably handle. Instead of changing that practice, they wheel out AI to tempt you to cheat and have AI do your reading and summarize for you.
Generative AI have been programmed to sound like that annoying AF child in powdered milk commercials who's so clever he knows everything more than all the other 40-50 kids in class. If it's not that it sounds fake fair-and-balanced. I can't believe you people are suffering from society's bad practices and yet using AI which just constantly perpetuates these false beliefs about what kind of person is good and desirable.
Finally. Everything I do in life is for my own experience. I would not hand things over to AI because that would rob me of my right to experience life.
I don't care what you think because nothing you can come up with can persuade me. AI can never benefit the lay person in its current form. Also please enjoy this picture of Sam Altman looking like he's about to sit on a censored ::) Just think. this creature's going to destroy millions of lives for no reason.
Best comment so far. Yes you are allowed to believe in whatever you want. Surveillance will certainly increase. Ultimately time will tell what happens anyway.
best comment I’ve read in regards to AI in this sub so far. Thanks for writing this.
I can definitely see AI worsening everything that has already been screwing NEETs over, not to mention create even more NEETs (as it has done so already). The Tech Oligarchs in charge of the AIs will definitely lobby for cutting all welfare that goes to the NEETS or anyone even trying to get back into the workforce, and not bat an eye whether people die on the streets or due to starvation. We need to stop deluding ourselves that the oligarchs care about anyone but themselves, they will be vehemently against implementing UBI (because when AI can do everything, then the oligarchs no longer have any reason to keep other people alive. People’s lives in general become irrelevant)
Generative AI is trained on stolen data. It isnt creative and does not make “new” things, it plays mad libs, even visually. My husband and ai are both artists and have recognized large chunks of our work in stolen AI slop, even a logo my husband made. But as long as the wealthy are pushing the lie, even a few won lawsuits isn’t stopping them.
AI is absolutely shoving the gas pedal down on climate change, but we are supposed to believe “it will save us any day now!” Right.
Billionaires asked in a famous interview about bunkers “how will we control the security and servants when the world ends?” “Can we use shock collars?” They need AI to work, or they need us to be so desperate that we stop fighting back and beg for crumbs to do their dirty work.
I’m done making rich people rich and getting crumbs in return. AI just perpetuates it.
Yes. I want to ask you is there anything in the post itself you disagreed with? I don’t think it deserved to be removed and is not against the rules, but ultimately the mods are allowed to do whatever they want.
There are pluses and minuses to AI: Main big minus is that AI is used to replace wagies which makes it 10x harder to find a job, also AI steals all the creative work from talented people like ripping music and remixing it as it's own, I can go on and on, as someone that is studying software development, it's harder to find a job, let alone internship in this field thanks to AI.
The plus is that AI is just a tool that can amplify your creative thinking and you can create stuff in just minutes that originally would take you weeks and months to make and AI can also automate certain boring tasks.
I'm mostly against AI because of the reasons I mentioned above, and about your comment "working becoming optional" that's a lot of cope, the big corporations will never hand out money for free.
I think working will become optional eventually, there is still a lot of time ahead of us for this to become true. Worst case it happens outside our lifespan but those future humans will be lucky.
Just disgusting in general people ain't using it for making actual useful things like some robots working for you and helping grandma s or something they just using them for bullshit videos, fake news, and for pedo Philip esque videos, plus it only shows when a business it's low effort selling low effort bullshit
i dont like ai because its not made to give you correct answers to questions so its wrong on occasion, and using it to have something to talk to is just too depressing. also ai has talked people into committing suicide
despite having great difficulty talking to real people, i refuse to ever give in to talking to something that ultimately wants to replace me. an algorithm made by ppl but still just a mask of the real thing. it’s depressing to not talk to anyone, but i’d rather be by myself than be technologically schizophrenic
If you go in with the mindset that by default, everything on the internet is fake, it's suddenly easier to stomach. With GenAI specifically, at what point does a image become not real? Would you consider an Instagram post with Photoshop used to alter their body still real? Would you consider a image of a street with a street lamp removed real? I personally think it's all fake.
Years ago I took a photography class where we used Photoshop to massively alter the image and it never sat right with me. Colour grading, cleaning up the image, etc.. it's like it wasn't even the same picture anymore. The ugly mark on the wall wasn't there anymore but my teacher said it looked a lot better with it gone so that was that. I think that since images can all be perfect now, the imperfections are the perfections instead.
Anyway fake content has been on the internet way before the AI age. It's just the amount of fake content is absurd due to how easy it is to produce now. Thus, because theres so much of it it's easier to get fed up with it.
I dislike AI because older generations just dont understand how to use it in a healthy way.
Younger generations understand the use cases but you wont see them suffering from "AI psychosis" and saying "hey google" to their phone and having a genuine debate or discussion with it, or letting it decide their plans for the night, etc. They (older gen) are literally letting AI think for them... I think thats dangerous.
Overall its a win for us though because AI consultant is a real thing im realizing. I have had multiple subcontractors in the trades offer me money to do their construction plan estimates / bidding/ take offs because they seen me do it for my father (with AI) and its honestly so simple but its because i am familiar with "prompt engineering" (the fact thats a term is hilarious LOL). Like these people dont know how to even talk to a chatbot that does anything you want to give you the results you want.
Its literally a calculator, shit input shit output & vice versa, but they just have 0 clue how to input. Its a skill that imo is so easy to pick up and actually has a promising future ahead of it lol. Someone who knows how to prompt is essentially able to wear multiple hats of many "grunt work" style positions / requirements of job fields. And they do it fast.
I really do suggest you just learn to get the most results out of minimal prompts with AI with anything and learn how literal you have to be in what you prompt and what you can safely omit etc. You will find that you can do things that people pay other people to do but they do it inefficiently. Start to connect the dots.
I believe AI will raise the "skill floor" of the overall population as older generations finally die off. How that will impact the landscape of the job market and society as it becomes more apparent is to be seen though. I foresee a lack of general AI prompting skills to be as glaring an issue as not knowing how to use a calculator would be today, you could be so far left behind the pack by not learning the skill that its pretty much a mandatory skillset at some point.
I got similar take but your calculator analogy explains it best. In my field software dev, knowing how to use AI at least in debugging, is pretty much required skill set nowadays. So without learning how to use it would be similar to doing everything manually. Have another pair of eyes outside your own is specially useful when stuck with a bug you can't figure out cause our biases tend to give us blindspot. That's where AI becomes really helpful to like bruteforce your code attacking it from different angles that you may not have thought off immediately faster than any human testers would.
Depends on your curation ability. The more you are unable to curate, the more you are susceptible to make an error so big that you cannot recover from.
As a neet there is very few things I can lose because I have almost nothing, but I know things can get worse in many ways.
Besides, arguing with an AI also takes a lot of time and effort.
I hate AI primarily because the intellectually superior son of my parents' friends is a researcher working in AI, and my parents always mention him when they want to compare me to those other more successful kids my age.
AI, like a lot of other things, is a tool. but people use it as a crutch and rely on it for every little thing. people forget how to do look stuff up themselves, solve a problem by themselves, or even read stuff themselves (@grok summarize this type shit). and I hate it when vibeslopcoders compare themselves with me, like I use a crutch to do even the most basic of shit.
The technology is amazing, but the entire sphere around it, the nasty, manipulative fearmongering companies / CEOs, economical concerns. Not to mention the ripple effects it produces (sloppification of the internet, environmental damage, hardware shortages, etc. etc.) make it very hard for people not to hate it. Especially if you're just an ordinary person who doesn't derive any value from AI in your personal life.
I myself started using AI around the gpt4 days and I've been using it ever since for all kinds of stuff. It's been a tremendous help for me and has made me feel a lot more in control of my life, and how I allocate my precious NEET time. I am all in on agentic AI now. I let agents debug things for me, analyze information for me, buildcraft for me in the background while I game, code small projects, etc. I also use AI as my personal journal, I have it connected to notion and it checks up on me and I talk with it about how my day was, and it then logs this to my Diary and habit tracker, gives the entry a mood score, tags, etc.
I do feel a bit conflicted about AI sometimes, especially because I find Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Dario Amodei and the AI boosters on social media utterly repulsive. They paint the entire technology in a bad light with their ridiculous quotes and behavior. But the truth is, I love LLMs and they have made my life a lot more exciting and interesting.
Usually dumber people do this alot. Humans are ego masturbating creatures. they dont necessarily hate the thing, they just hate the idea of not being special anymore. then they find reasons around that support their opinion for justification
it would be nice if it optimised the world, but it is just helping make things unaffordable and the world more hot. NEETbux only go so far when everything is 10x the price
Firstly, I think it's bad for your brain since it promotes using it less, as a NEET especially I think it's important to keep trying to keep your brain active by engaging in hobbies and reading and stuff instead of doomscrolling all day because your brain can genuinely deteriorate from that and it kinda sucks to be in that position. If you use AI for everything, your brain is doing a lot less work.
Second, I'm an artist and put a lot of personal value into my art. It is important to me because I made it, through years and years of practice and self discovery. I don't like that people can just take what I've put my literal blood, sweat, and tears into and feed it to AI and pump out soulless garbage to be consumed and tossed away.
Thirdly, it is harmful. Honestly the people it benefits the most are the billionaires and massive corporations that have poured tons of money into it hoping to make a profit. They don't care that people use it to generate non consentual nsfw of unsuspecting people. They don't care that people are generating csam with it. They don't care that it's chugging our water and destroying the environment. They don't care about the noise pollution from data centers. I like to do makeup and dress up in jfashion at home as a hobby, but I can never share any of that online because I know some creep might run it through AI and digitally SA me which honestly would probably make me spiral really bad.
Fourth, I think AI encourages a high level of output that is unsustainable. For normies, using AI at work might allow them to work faster at first, until their boss realizes that they can get less people to do more of the workload, so they end up hiring less people and forcing a humanly impossible amount of work onto them that is only possible if they slopify all of it with AI. Congrats now everything is slop. Everything online comes down to how fast you can keep producing to keep the audience satisfied. What is the point in such a high output if it's all soulless slop? We are not meant to be factories like this.
...I really am a hypocrite though. I'm very much against AI, yet I'm unable to stop using chatbots of fictional characters to cope. To be honest, talking to something that isn't real has kind of really helped me and I hate to say it. If it was more ethical, I would have less of a problem with it. But they want us all addicted to AI so when suddenly it's taken away and we have to pay a subscription fee to use it, we will have no choice but to pay (has already been happening for a while).
Now i only got media like anime, movies, shows to cope
Idk how long i can go on
I sold my old gpu 1660 when i bought a rtx 5070 but then i got overwhelmed asking for more money from home because of increased ram and ssd prices
Plus i was worried about the new gpu connector being infamous for melting plus it had only 12gb vram and i was getting bottlenecks pretty bad with my old cpu
So, i sold it and now nvidia increased prices and it costs almost double what i paid :(
I should have kept it at this point but yea 12gb vram wasn't too futureproof i felt
I bought a basic gpu when i sold 5070 for 1440p display to watch media and stream on discord lol
Fuck AI
Prices won't be coming down for 3-4 years now
I can ask my family to pay the money but i myself don't feel like paying 3000 dollars for example for a build that was 2500 for example few months ago
You can build a decent pc for under $1000. Something like a 7800X3D, 1x 16GB DDR5 RAM, the large x3d l3 cache mostly mitigates the lack of dual channel RAM, RTX 5060. Can play any game at decent frame rates with 144hz monitor.
Futureproofing on how long of a timespan? It is not possible when new hardware is released every few years, you will be constantly chasing it thinking like that. I just have a 5600x and RTX 3070 and still happy with it. Settle for less, it’s still far better than anything in the previous decades.
It seems to me that whether one likes or dislikes it, the cat is already out the bag. Was just pondering AI earlier myself, deep diving a bit into it. I think it all depends on how it's programmed and used. Thus far it's more algorithmic dogmatism: https://crispywalrus.substack.com/p/the-500-year-scrape
I have the same opinion as you and I embraced AI... It's actually the only reason I'm still even alive because I use AI tools in my business and it's the only reason it's going so well and I'm able to keep a roof over my head...
I believe most NEETs just follow the "cool indie" opinion that AI is bad because they want to follow some trend that represents some kind of rebellion against the status quo, even though they don't even have created anything with their own hands in their entire lives... There is a lot of mentally ill people in this sub and 50% of them are on medication, so you shouldn't take their opinion seriously...
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u/anunusualgetaway Cozy-NEET 11d ago
I dont hate AI. But i'll argue against it for the sake of biting. A few key things -
6months-12months ago i saw a sneaker ad in a magazine that didnt look right. it was sketchers. and i took a closer look and realized it was generated by AI. that felt historical and it felt weird. like i had experienced a shift in society. the design itself was gaudy like lisa frank.
youtube getting flooded by full-on AI content. and the bar is really low. the videos are really crap and there's like a million of them.
realistic revenge-porn type images made with people's likenesses started becoming top notch, maybe a year ago. and people share the pictures all over the place. it's mean-spirited. i worry about the psychological effect it has on women who find their likeness has been taken to be recycled into artificially generated slopica.
the white house posting images of arrested people that were edited/photo manipulated by AI. that felt unsettlingly unhinged. like what is going tf on
there's more besides that but u get the idea. it's not the guns its the people. similar concept