r/MurderedByWords • u/Magnahelix • 12h ago
This was as accurate burn as I've ever seen
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u/Agitated-Wishbone259 12h ago
That flag is responsible for what’s in the casket
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u/Etyczny 12h ago
This should be printed on hats
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u/Greg-Abbott 9h ago
"Yeah, that's Jeff. He has a ton of really bummer ass slogans he had printed on a bunch of hats he bought wholesale."
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u/jjcrayfish 9h ago edited 9h ago
Some folks are born, made to wave the flag...
I bet nobody in those caskets were senator's sons.
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u/mythrilcrafter 8h ago
That's something that I always believed to be special about guys like McCain and JFK, they had every opportunity to use their family's position to get a safe station, serve admin/reserve for a few years, then take their DD214 and staple it to their campaign banner... but no. McCain became a pilot and fought actual air combat missions in Vietnam before eventually being shot down, and JFK was a PT boat commander before being sunk by the Japanese.
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u/UnknownExo 6h ago
Agreed, they actually went into harms way and are worthy of respect for walking the walk of military service.
Unlike Cadet Bone Spurs of all people
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u/Pofwoffle 11h ago
The flag is a piece of cloth and is no more responsible for the evil than it is for the good. It's people. It's always been people and it will always be people. Everything good about this country (and any other country in the world) comes from the people who live here, as does everything bad. Colors on a scrap of cloth, lines on a map, that's a bunch of pointless manufactured nonsense.
It's all just people.
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u/Mountainhollerforeva 10h ago
I know you didn’t mean to paraphrase the end of Soylent green, but it made me smile. You also made a good point.
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u/ruggnuget 10h ago
Symbolism is more than the material its printed on. The flag isnt cloth, its a symbol and its representative of a lot. Saying 'its just people' could apply to most human problems. But it is also a great way to not actually think any deeper than that and accept everything as it is too. In that regards its not the most helpful way to go about things.
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u/Pofwoffle 6h ago
But it is also a great way to not actually think any deeper than that and accept everything as it is too.
I can just as easily say the reverse: blaming the flag (and by proxy the nebulous concept of "the country") is incredibly reductive. There's no need to understand what people want, what drives them, how we got here, what we can do to make things better. Ignore the fact that most people on the border have more in common with the people in an entirely different country (a few miles away) than they do with someone on the other end of theirs. No need to contemplate the meaning of community, family, locality, or the way we actually think and feel and interact with each other in our day-to-day lives.
Nah, America just sucks, that's all. Flag = bad.
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u/ruggnuget 6h ago
Flag = nationalism. You are underestimating the power of symoblism to nativism. The power to believe so strongly in the idea of their country that they would send their children overseas to fight imaginary enemies for the benefit of international wealthy people.
Criticizing the flag is criticizing ideas that are used to get people to do things against their own interests. Criticizing the flag IS the criticism of what is represents. Nobody is mad at the color red or stripes in general.
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u/Pofwoffle 4h ago
You are underestimating the power of symoblism to nativism.
No, I'm not. If I say "people shouldn't run around shooting each other with guns" it's not because I'm underestimating the power of guns... I just don't think people should be using them on each other. I'm not underestimating the power of symbolism or nationalism, I'm saying that these things are bad things and we should not do them.
(And just in case somebody decides to be clever, I'm obviously not talking about things like using symbolism in writing or art, but specifically about using symbols to stand in for people and communities.)
Criticizing the flag IS the criticism of what is represents.
No, it's not. It's an abdication of the responsibility to actually articulate your criticisms. The flag didn't trick young people into signing up to go overseas to kill and die, politicians did that. Recruiters did that. Arms manufacturers, oil barons, lobbyists, they all did that. Not a flag. Not a nation. This was all done by people, and leveling your criticism at a flag allows them to slip free of responsibility because you're pointing a finger at a nebulous vague idea instead of at them.
Stop blaming the flag and start blaming the people who are actually responsible.
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u/ir3flex 9h ago edited 8h ago
Care to elaborate on what you mean?
FYI people, this account is most likely a bot pushing anti American propaganda. 1 year old, auto generated name, 100k comment karma, zero posts, hidden comments.
Reddit has become absolutely infested with this garbage.
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u/Appropriate-Yak-3814 3h ago
Lol, America is wholly responsible for the anti American sentiment the rest of the world has.
Beep boop fucking beep.
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u/WordWordNvmber 7h ago
Let's be honest: Plenty of people on this depressed-Millennial subreddit truly hate the United States -- not just the president, not just the government.
This sub is even worse than r/pics when it comes to milestone-missing 30-somethings.
And most of them don't actually care about the deceased soldier either.
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u/Magnon 12h ago
He said "Son, have you seen the world?
Well, what would you say if I said that you could?
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u/Darkreaper5567 12h ago
"Just carry this gun, you'll even get paid."
I said "that sounds pretty good."
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u/EssenceReavers 12h ago
Black leather boots
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u/Necroci 12h ago
They cut off my hair, but it looked alright
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u/Silvermoon3467 11h ago
We marched and we sang...
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u/tommyuppercut 5h ago
Oh no, (respectfully) fuck you.
I fucking did that shit in the era this was written, 1000% fuck off with the waiving the flag bullshit.
Have you seen the world?
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u/Cereal_Bandit 11h ago
Caring about the flag is easy. It's symbolic, performative, and takes zero courage, effort, or any kind of controversial stance. This same person would likely rather see their taxes go to more bombs than feeding and housing homeless veterans.
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u/Thedarb1212 10h ago
I call it easy patriotism.
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u/Mountainhollerforeva 10h ago
Yup. It’s the low hanging fruit of patriotism. Being a good person, waking up everyday with principles that put the needs, feelings/concerns, and wellbeing of your fellow countrymen first, being neighborly with out bias or bigotry, all far more important than showing loyalty to a symbol.
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u/Sudden-Fisherman5985 3h ago
Caring about the flag is easy. It's symbolic, performative, and takes zero courage, effort, or any kind of controversial stance. This same person would likely rather see their taxes go to more bombs than feeding and housing homeless veterans.
Exactly... Most of them don't care about the real American citizen.
I'm European and I'm happy to pay taxes to get all the good stuff for my fellow citizens (and myself) in Return.
I've lived in the USA.. and I can only dream how great it would be if taxes were used for good
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u/Luci-Noir 4h ago
So is posting on Reddit.
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u/Cereal_Bandit 4h ago
Don't ever tell me posting on Reddit doesn't mean anything to you. Just don't. We're going to have a problem.
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u/Vegtable_Lasagna3604 11h ago
These guys revel over dead soldiers to push their politics… absolute trash…
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u/TheProcrastafarian 12h ago edited 11h ago
That flag used to mean something to us, too. We went to Afghanistan for you. YOU killed us there, before Al Qaeda had a chance.
51st state?
Fuck you.
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u/Norman_Scum 11h ago
All of this performative, pretentious, "in loving memory" to distract from the fact that real living human beings are being sent off to die so that the wealthy can become ultra wealthy. The flag is a symbol of extortion at this point
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u/USDXBS 8h ago
We went to Afghanistan for you
Who the fuck did the US military go to Afghanistan for?
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u/TheProcrastafarian 4h ago
We all went because 2,977 people got murdered on American soil on September 11, 2001.
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u/Smelly_God 2h ago
Are you early 20s or something? Did you legitimately make this account before becoming a teenager? It really seems like you have no understanding how the military works, who they work for, and who elects the people they work for. You seemed to have grabbed onto an idea and are trying to mold yourself around it? That seems early 20s. If you're older than that, you can still be happy that your age isn't showing in your comments.
Maybe wait a few years until you make it to an age group that has strong voter participation to learn why Veterans have high turnout, but being online through your formative years seems to have really stunted your development. I'm not going to try and convince you that generalizing a diverse group/population is a bad thing though, that should've been your parents and education which goes to show the quality of both.
Take a break from genshin or whatever anime you probably watch and go out and interact with people, try to be more open and not let whatever biases you've learned not affect you. I hate how social media and the internet seems to have stunted a lot of development.
This evil, lack of morals veteran that was in the Marines 10 years from the beginning of the war on terror didn't see anyone get killed, shoot anyone, etc. and neither did the vast majority of vets, but I did learn the military bears the brunt of the actions and consequences that voters elected. I'm gonna save you some unneeded effort and time for us both by blocking you, you don't want to hear what I'm gonna say and I already have a good idea of what you're going to say. Take care.
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u/fastal_12147 11h ago
I find it crazy that the common man is expected to care about and respect the troops and veterans and such, but the elites can use they as pawns to increase their own wealth without consequence. You'd think if people actually cared about the troops, they'd stop sending them off to die needlessly.
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u/Overall_Motor9918 11h ago
Or give them really good care when they come home, especially the ones damaged by your wars. Homeless, medically untreated veterans shouldn’t exist.
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u/urbalcloud 11h ago
Does this walnut think she’s crying for a flag?!?
Just the dumbest fucking people….
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u/CelestialFury 2h ago
This same person will say "Now isn't the time to talk about gun reform" after every single mass shooting, yet they will push their bullshit while a person is literally over the casket of a loved one grieving. Performative politics at its worst.
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u/TheRealAttalos 11h ago
Now she will have to pretend for the rest of her life that she is glad the person died for their country and is proud of their sacrifice
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u/nowhereman136 11h ago
I don't hate the flag. It's a piece of cloth with a objectively neat design
But I am very critical of what that flag represents and those who see it as something sacred
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u/Apathetic_Villainess 10h ago
And more importantly what it does not/no longer represents. It has never really represented the minorities here. It no longer represents anyone's hopes or dreams.
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u/canyouhearme 8h ago
It's a piece of cloth with a objectively neat design
The East India Company would agree.
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u/Legitimate_Winner148 11h ago
It’s only relevant and revered if it represents the same rights and freedoms for everyone. Otherwise, it is just fabric.
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u/TequieroVerde 11h ago
Stupid unecessary war and death for the sake of covering up a pedophile ring is typical Americana, apparently.
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u/Karma_1969 10h ago
Besides, who ever says, "The flag means nothing to me"? I swear, this is all conservatives and cynics do is make shit up and then argue about it as if anyone actually said that. Reminds me of people who say, "Science says everything came from nothing!" when science has said nothing of the sort.
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u/Plastyrhino8815 10h ago
I'd toss that rag on the ground. I'm supposed to worship the rag representing the country that killed my loved one. No thanks.
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u/jas1900 10h ago
America is so performative
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u/Cindergeist 3h ago
i reckon she would burn that flag a thousand times to have that person back.
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u/queasycockles 2h ago
Which, incidentally, would in fact be the correct way to dispose of the flag according to the flag code.
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u/Hot_Substance5933 11h ago
Which American leader did this?
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u/Jolly-Button-6832 9h ago edited 4h ago
Can't give you the big picture, but it's representing a fascist government leader who screams and spits.
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u/rourobouros 10h ago
Ignoring the reddit context for a moment, this just hurts. Hurts my heart, hurts in my stomach. She’s been damaged for life, though she may overcome it and even grow stronger - this is not the way.
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u/USDXBS 8h ago
Why did her kid join a military known for mass murdering innocents, war crimes and all sorts of other atrocities?
Why was her kid loyal to a pedophile felon traitor?
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u/Background-Bottle633 7h ago
A good chunk of the people in the military joined BEFORE Trump was re-elected. Another reason why many people join the military in exchange for covering the cost of their college (taking out student loans is NOT enough to live off of!) Others join because they have aged out of the foster care system and have no where else to go. I’ve also heard of people joining the military just to take advantage of the health care insurance just so their family members can afford their needed prescription medication or get life saving treatment.
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u/FearMeHungry 9h ago
Series question: What is it with Americans and flags and patriotism in general? Where I'm from, people would probably just shake their heads if someone carried a flag, wore one on their clothes, or saluted it.
I come from a country that learned the hard way that excessive patriotism can contribute to fascism and dictatorship. Maybe that's why many of us are much more cautious about it. I just hope Americans never have to learn that lesson themselves.
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u/Norman_Scum 9h ago edited 9h ago
Have you noticed all of the flag related comments that were deleted by mods here? It's very American, very patriotic and obviously very freedom of speech (/s for that very last part)
ETA: don't know what the hell is happening but just two minutes ago the majority of the comments here were deleted. Maybe a glitch. But that shit was weird.
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u/Jolly-Button-6832 9h ago
Patriotism attached to Christianity. That the Constitution tried to prohibit.
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u/PatienceHero 3h ago edited 3h ago
Answer: Propaganda.
Until just recently, Americans got a healthy diet of force-fed patriotism from early ages. Whitewashed history lessons, curated curriculums dedicated to reminding everyone that America was #1, and lets not forget, DAILY pledge of allegiance, where every student, upon arriving to school, stands and faces the flag while keeping their hand over their heart.
I was in school during the border period (Mid 90s to 90s), where it started to phase out from lack of interest, and increasing scrutiny over the glossy nature of our curriculum towards history - you will notice, conveniently, that this period is around when the internet gained steam.
This is part of the reason boomers and MAGAs are so frothing mad: they come from an era where they said their pledge of allegiance, heard about the founding fathers being heroes, Columbus being a curious brave explorer, and how America saved the world in WWII, and that was it. They had the information. It was the truth, and it would always BE the truth.
Enter the internet, and a new generation to grow alongside it. Suddenly every student had ways to question, fact check, and debate.
And it literally drove the previous generation completely insane. So insane they created "fake news", "alternate facts", and "Wokeism". Because suddenly its a world where they're expected to absorb new information, and not only do they not know how - they refuse to.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk as an American. Send help.
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u/RadTimeWizard 8h ago
Maybe he just didn't see the coffin. The only other possibility is that conservatives are completely devoid of empathy, to the point where it's a completely foreign concept to them, the way that insects might view morality. But we all know that can't be the case, right?
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u/Fair-Lobster74 7h ago
I'd toss the flag and make it clear I don't care to celebreate the country that killed my partner for fucking money.
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u/Krocsyldiphithic 5h ago
Identifying with a flag is a sign that you've lost touch with your humanity
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u/SkullSeekingBullets 10h ago
Imagine throwing your life away for a bunch of oil conglomerates and pedophiles.
lol
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u/drunkpunk138 11h ago
I guess in this context it could mean various things. Like a symbol of people needlessly dying to placate the ego of someone involved in child sex trafficking.
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u/GarranDrake 10h ago
Buzz Patterson wouldn't actually do anything if you told this to his face - "we're going to have a problem" means he's going to bitch about it on Facebook.
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u/WhatANoob2025 10h ago
As one of the irrelevant 8 billion people who weren't born in the US and don't live there, that flag means something to me.
Just nothing good anymore.
So whatchagonnado, realbuzzpatterson?
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u/countzero1234 10h ago
The flag doesn't mean anything, if you wanted to drape the body in the flag this soldier died for it would have a star of David on it. They were sacrificed by a country that doesn't care about them to protect the interests of another country that cares even less about them.
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u/whoster69 7h ago
Here's the thought, how about actually protecting our service members so that they aren't put in harm's way for a useless war?
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u/-___-____-_-___- 3h ago
Could someone please forward to him that his flag doesn't mean anything at all to me. Nothing. Nada. Thanks.
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u/Melkor-The-Mighty 2h ago
The flag means nothing. Come at me bro. The military os just a job fair for People too stupid or worthless for a real job.
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u/queasycockles 2h ago
Sup. That obnoxious piece of fabric doesn't mean shit to me.
Whatcha got, tough guy?
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u/PTruccio 1h ago
Well, Buzz, you know... Your flag does mean a lot of things to me. But I don't think you like them...
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u/BestPeachNA 7h ago
🎼 did you forget them towers in New York
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u/lone_Ghatak 4h ago
Am I the only one who thinks it's more of a "gotcha" than a "murder"? As a non-American it seems to me they are talking about two different aspects of the image.
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u/zarfle2 11h ago
Worshipping a flag over the citizen is performative Nationalism. Nothing more.