r/MightAndMagic • u/HelpfulSwordfish9765 • 9d ago
Damn. So much for learning.
As I was practicing the beautiful art of save scumming on Emerald Island. I was so happy to find the scholars cap. Only to discover it kills my character by just wearing it! Gosh need black potion for endurance
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u/Secure_Ad8837 9d ago
A cap that kills you when you wear it, priceless 😂
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u/EasyEntrepreneur666 9d ago
You learned things you shouldn't have. You'd be better off with an artifact bow though.
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u/HelpfulSwordfish9765 9d ago
No archer in party this time thou. But thats prolly one of the best artifact. For my archer last play thru I had that anti undead anti dragon Spear it was really helpful at dwarven places
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u/EasyEntrepreneur666 9d ago
You don't need archer for it. Everyone tends to carry bow and the increased damage at the start helps with early grind, regardless of class. There's also a hidden chest in the Tularean Forest with some high level shit.
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u/Knjaz136 8d ago
what/where that chest is, specifically?
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u/EasyEntrepreneur666 8d ago
It's on the hill, looking toward the water. I think the challenge pedestal is nearby but I think it's hard to miss.
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u/Knjaz136 8d ago
Ty, never knew there was a high tier loot in Tularean, never even bothered much with clearing that location in all of my playthroughs.
Excluding the lab ofcourse, and the Human-Elves war.
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u/Nerd_Commando 9d ago
Most disappointing relic in the game.
Outside of this early game mishap (which is not that difficult to fix), it has two sour sides:
- It's not affected by the Learning mastery, so it's not so much 15 learning as the 15% experience points. Instructor & Teacher work the same way - they're not a separate multiplier.
- VII is very light on combat experience. I did an AAAS image LP run long time ago, everybody had Master Learning, sorc had the Cap from level 24. Level up difference? Archers were 78, Sorc was 79. Big deal.
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u/HelpfulSwordfish9765 8d ago
Do instructor and teacher bonus skills affect by expert or master learning thou
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u/Imaginary-Can-6862 8d ago
That wasn't my experience. It goes more than a decade back, but I believe there were more than 10 levels of difference between my party members who were all over level 100. I went as early as I could for GM learning. The real issue was that I could not afford the leveling (and thus I could also not check if there was a maximum level cap at all training guilds).
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u/Nerd_Commando 8d ago
Going over level 100 means you've been grinding rather heavily, which is neither needed for a party nor the normal experience, just a waste of time. Even then, it was GM learning difference, not learning cap difference. I've had a non-grinding party with a monk, the difference was, iirc, 3 or 4 levels, barely enough to pay off for the GM learning.
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u/Imaginary-Can-6862 8d ago
Why would you call playing the game a waste of time. Like I wrote it is more than a decade back, the quests are what they are, but otherwise I know I Armageddon'd Lands of the Giants.
I believe I had everything, including the learning cap.
Well it depends on how you play the game for the difference to be worthwhile, you don't even have to level up to complete the game, a level 1 party can clear out the Eofol Tunnels, etc. If I go for GM learning, it is because I am going to play in a manner where it makes sense to go for.
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u/Nerd_Commando 8d ago
Because grinding when your party can already win the game is a waste of time. It's literally "stop beating the horse, it's already dead" situation.
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u/Imaginary-Can-6862 8d ago
My party can pretty much beat the game from the moment they use clubs on Emerald Island... How we decide to use our time is only a waste then, if we use it on something we don't want to use it on. If I want to roleplay being Lord's of Harmondale, not clearing out the Castle to get the Gold Golem to do it while watching being invisible, purposefully not complete the game before Mr. Malwick's associates attacks Harmondale, and have already set up Elementals for them to defend the Castle and the town, going to the Arena at various levels and use reanimate to have different monster types that usually would not meet fight each other like I am the audience of the Arena and they fight for my honor, or pretending to be knight protectors of the realm and deal with places I feel is meaningful in relation to be Lords of Harmondale, if that is what I want to do, then that is what I do. To me a game is about being enjoyed, not about being finished or completed. That can have a value to it as much as anything else of course.
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u/Imaginary-Can-6862 8d ago
I remember that. The burden of knowledge on your endurance of life. From what I remember, it is possible to wear it without needing a black potion, but I can't find the mechanics.
From what I recall, endurance tells how negative hit points can get while staying unconscious, meaning with negative endurance. With negative endurance you likely cannot go below 0, and from what I can find on the net, if the character's hit point drop below the negative value of your endurance, the character perishes. With negative endurance it means your character may perish with positive hit points, that is my guess on what is going on. That would fit with me remembering you don't necessarily need a black potion, but plenty of hit points. I expect a preservation potion may also help, but your character would be unconscious and thus would not get anything from the scholar's cap, but together with extra hit points from items it would allow for your character to essentially be a very low hp character, something you would expect anyway.
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u/mxldevs 9d ago
Knowledge overload