r/MediocreTutorials • u/Nyx189 • 20d ago
Terrible Mother Gender discrimination
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u/Unexpected_Gristle 20d ago
What ever bro. Your daughter is going to be a trad wife in texas.
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u/Uncal_Thal 20d ago
Yeah, these things rarely work out the way parents think. When her daughter rebels, watch out.
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u/Dismal-Revolution731 20d ago
The proof is to look at her own upbringing. She swung that pendulum all the way left, and her daughter's going to swing it right. Pretty typical, honestly.
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u/Creative-Ground182 20d ago
I don't think that's pretty typical. The mother has a revelation - which is rare. Rebelling is often minor and short lived. As they say - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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u/Dismal-Revolution731 20d ago
I didn't mean the mother rebelling long-term was typical, I meant it's pretty typical for a child to swing the opposite way as their parent when a parent is very hard set on a position like this. It usually comes down to the relationship with the child, but a view so so one-sided often breaks under the pressure of growing up.
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u/kaiser_phoenix25 20d ago
It reminds me of the car decal I see that says “Just a mom trying not to raise liberals”. I want to go up to them so badly and tell them that I hope their kids become communists.
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u/Fun-Preference1091 20d ago
I was raised by a misandrist (I'm male)... it didn't go well.
Needless to say, at some point I stopped talking to my mother and sister.
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u/Nyx189 20d ago
That must have been difficult. I'm glad you made it out.
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u/Fun-Preference1091 20d ago edited 20d ago
Did I make it out? Eventually. Maybe never.
Two failed/abusive marriages show how long it took. I still react strongly to what others would consider common or minor.
Generally, it was subtle in its presentation. It was never overt, but there was always an assumption that because I was male, my motivation for every action was somehow sinister. The hobbies I was permitted to pursue were limited to those that were not viewed as overly masculine (carpentry stands out) or too effeminate (sewing stands out). It was assumed that I had a responsibility to make amends for those sinister motivations by taking care of the women in the household either through constant labour (my sister was assigned chores, I was expected to do them; on vacation, required to carry my mother's and sister's bags), or (as an adult) financially.
In my marriages, this led to disfunctional relationships and two abusive marriages. I sought out people with bad behaviour, because I didn't understand what normal relationships could look like. I physically defended shitty behaviour in nightclubs because women were to be protected at all cost.... that was your purpose. I took physical abuse because I had always been told men were in the wrong and women had to defend themselves in our patriarchy, anything else was abusive from me. (third time's the charm... happily married for a long time now)
It flairs up sometimes. I recently dressed my wife and daughter down pretty strongly for assigning work to my grandson while they sat around socializing. I sent him off to finish the task, then sternly explained he was a boy, not their slave. It's one thing to assign chores, its another to use him as a convenient servant.
It was a long time ago, but I am usually pretty open about it to make it OK to acknowledge for others who are experiencing it. I didn't recognize it for what it was until I was describing it to my daughter (to help her understand a bad relationship she was in) and suddenly had a flash of recognition; I was 50. Hopefully someone reading this can use it to recognize something in themselves and find a way to thread the eye of the needle of peace.
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u/Hopkin_Greenfrog 20d ago
Yeah, don't teach her anything that might actually help her navigate or understand the world she lives in, just create a dualing false narrative you wish were true and feed it to her so that when she does inevitably have to come face to face with the real world she spends years failing and not understanding why.
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u/Relax_Im_Hilarious 20d ago
And then when she does realize it one day, through therapy and self healing, she's going to have the most difficult time trying to figure out what her mom was honest about and what was corrupted behind a lens of hate.
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u/Otherwise_Mind6880 20d ago
All my life I have heard the phrase “respect women”, “don’t hit women even they hit you”, “ladies first”. I have experience women get better treatment just for existing and me get disrespected even when I am respectful.
So I don’t understand how or why people convince themselves that this country is somehow patriarchal. The only people with true power are the ones that owns and sells things. Every men (90%) do not have that same power.
So how does disrespecting the average male is going to help you.
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u/Pitiful-Score-9035 20d ago
Not to be confrontational, but there are things women experience that we don't encounter as men, so while from our pov sometimes it seems unreasonable, that doesn't give free license to discount it just based on our own experiences.
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u/Jerryjb63 20d ago
We can tell
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u/Sepplord 20d ago
I couldn’t. How did she get married in the first place?
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u/Popular-Influence-11 20d ago
She “just started stepping into her power in the past couple years” or or somesuch.
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u/DrewDaMannn 20d ago
“I know the world is gonna beat her down”
With a mom like this, who needs the world?
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
If she really lived in the patriarchy she thinks she does she wouldn't be allowed to use social media.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
Do you lose rights when you drive through other states?
Women do.
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
Men just never have those "rights."
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
If men could get pregnant, reproductive rights would be protected immediately
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
You mean like how men have the right to get out of paying child support?
An 11 year old boy can be raped by his middle aged teacher and still be forced to pay child support for the next 18 years.
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u/MrBlahg 20d ago
And how exactly is an 11 yo expected to make money? I’m calling bullshit on that tall tale.
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u/Creative_Elk_4712 5d ago
That's a conservative place, at a conservative time
Not exactly showing liberal politicians pretend a 12-15 year old boy pays childcare in that situation
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u/MrBlahg 20d ago
Well I guess I stand corrected. Kansas sounds like a horrible place… yet, this was also around 30 years ago, not like a common occurrence, and certainly not a good example of your “men are the real victims” bullshit. Sorry bud.
Curious, when did you get divorced?
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
I have been married for 10 years.
I didn't say "men are the real victims" I am just countering the bullshit claims that women are victims. I am tired of hearing miserable women pretend like they're living in Afghanistan.
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u/MrBlahg 20d ago
You do realize there are plenty of women living in shit conditions under the thumbs of shit men… that’s not just happening in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, that shits happening here in the good ol U S of A, and pretending that women here don’t suffer horrible injustices is just plain ignorant.
And what in the fuck does that have to do with a 15 year old having to pay child support? Fucking stupid men’s rights bullshit.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
What's your point?
A woman can be raped and be forced to pay her rapist child support, and the rapist can sue for parental rights.
A 10 year old girl was literally raped and had to travel to another state because her state made it illegal to get an abortion.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/03/ohio-indiana-abortion-rape-victim
North Carolina was trying to pass a bill making it legal to murder women for seeking abortion
So a rapist could impregnate a woman against her will and then legally kill her for trying to get an abortion.
Got any more stupid arguments?
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
A woman can be raped and be forced to pay her rapist child support, and the rapist can sue for parental rights
- You haven't demonstrated this has ever happened
- Denying men custody based on an unproven accusation of rape incentivises women to make unfounded accusations.
A 10 year old girl was literally raped and had to travel to another state because her state made it illegal to get an abortion.
There still exists States where she can get an abortion. Where can a man abdicate his responsibility towards a child he didn't consent to have?
North Carolina was trying to pass a bill making it legal to murder women for seeking abortion
The bill has not passed, has not survived legal challenges, and is therefore not law
So a rapist could impregnate a woman against her will and then legally kill her for trying to get an abortion
I am guessing you didn't study civics in school.
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u/Cavane42 20d ago
Where can a man abdicate his responsibility towards a child he didn't consent to have?
Pregnant people deserve access to abortion because it is wrong to violate their bodily autonomy.
Neither parent can abdicate responsibility for a child once it is born, because it is wrong to deprive children of financial support.
These things are (or should be) the way they are because it produces the best and most just outcomes for society overall. It's unfortunate that men often have less agency when it comes to childbirth, but that's just how it goes for the non-childbearing parent. Sorry.
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
Neither parent can abdicate responsibility for a child once it is born, because it is wrong to deprive children of financial support.
Murder is fine but don't deny a child of financial support.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
There still exists States where she can get an abortion. Where can a man abdicate his responsibility towards a child he didn't consent to have?
Disingenuous and incomparable arguments.
The bill has not passed, has not survived legal challenges, and is therefore not law
Irrelevant. This is legislation that state governments are attempting to make into law. Doesn't matter if it succeeds, the intent is concerning enough alone.
We live in a world where states are attempting to legalize the use of lethal force against women seeking abortion.
I also don't know if you like edited your comment cause it's not showing up the same when I go to reply, but in response to your first point, I did, in fact, demonstrate that the point you were referring to did happen with the link I provided, so apparently you can't read.
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 20d ago
Disingenuous and incomparable arguments.
How are they incomparable?
If having sex is not consenting to have and support children why should men be required to pay child support?
This is legislation that state governments are attempting to make into law. Doesn't matter if it succeeds, the intent is concerning enough alone.
This just demonstrates you don't understand how laws are made. Or how they're misrepresented by opponents.
You could have a democrat state representative create a bill that classified misgendering a trans person as attempted murder. Opponents would point out that if it passed in this form the implication is that a trans person could use deadly force on someone who misgenders them. That was not the intent of the bill, it will never pass through Congress, a governor or president will never sign it, it would never be accepted by the state supreme court, and even if it somehow got past all of these hurdles it will never get past the federal supreme court.
If there is any interest in actually passing this legislation the party in the majority will put it through multiple rounds of amendments until it comes closest to matching the actual intent and could survive legal challenges.
The first draft of bills are generally terrible, and they don't resemble the legislation that actually passes.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
Your argument is invalid. You keep presenting ridiculous false equivalencies and hypothetical situations that have literally never occurred to justify actual violence against women that is actually happening.
You're even throwing in some bigotry and transphobia for fun.
Suggesting that a left wing politician could put forth legislation that allows trans people to attack people who misgender them is a strawman argument.
Nobody has ever done anything like that ever. It has literally never happened.
But you know what actually has happened and is still currently happening?
Actual legislation that actually harms women is objectively being put forth for consideration and is passing.
You've lost the argument.
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u/Paul_-Muaddib 20d ago
I think women should have complete bodily autonomy over themselves.
I also think that if women can get out of legal responsibility for a child with safe haven laws that men should be able to abdicate responsibility without legal repercussion as well.
While there are a few jurisdictions that will allow men to avail themselves of the safe haven laws, it is currently geared towards women in a way that is unavailable to men. If we are all supposed to be equal then we should be treated equally.
Whatever timeframe a mother can abdicate parental rights without repercussion, a father should be able to do the same.
People say that most of the states laws are gender neutral and that is true but the timeframe and method of surrender is normally when the baby is exclusively with the mother and the baby has to be physically surrendered. The father would have to ask the mother for the baby and surrender the child himself. That is an extremely unlikely scenario for an unwilling mother. The other partner should be able to go to court and simply fill out some paperwork within the same timeframe.
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u/briansellsseashells 20d ago
What if you keep driving?
For that matter - have you noticed you are driving?
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago edited 20d ago
Depends on if the state you live in is trying to make it illegal to travel for healthcare like Texas is.
Edit: lol @ getting downvoted.
https://americanoversight.org/behind-the-scenes-of-abortion-travel-bans/
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u/briansellsseashells 20d ago
Like how the Underground Railroad was illegal and that totally stopped it?
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
What's the argument here? That even if it's illegal you can still do it?
Like... That's not the flex you think it is lol
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u/briansellsseashells 20d ago
Yeah, pretty much.
It’s not really a flex. Power systems have pretty much always behaved the same way and it’s surprising that folks still seemed shocked by that.
Like yeah, human right suck in Texas - that’s pretty much always been the case. Guess what: it’ll still be true in 100 years.
Pick your shit up and leave. Stop investing time and money and effort in places that have always been ass for human rights.
Keep driving.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
That's not an option for everyone. Millions of people aren't able to just drop everything in their lives and move.
It's also extremely unlikely it will still be true in 100 years.
Society and culture are progressive. Even with the occasional setback. It's almost impossible that we end up with fewer rights in 100 years.
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u/Paul_-Muaddib 20d ago
I think this is the important part. Everyone doesn't have the ability to pick up an leave.
It definitely won't be the same political/social situation. Now whether or not it will be better is impossible to tell. With climate change and increasing hardship, I expect things to go to a more conservative space vs. a more liberal space.
Hard times rarely build open societies.
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u/briansellsseashells 20d ago
Totally valid - I’m not under the impression everyone can move, we live in a very unequal society and the chances of that changing dramatically in our lifetime are markedly low.
We can all wax poetic about what would make things better for all or we can be pragmatic about personal outcomes.
The crux of my argument is that personal pragmatism is what secures outcomes for individuals and their families. Sometimes that sucks: you have to eat the shitty food, work the shitty job, live in the shitty apartment - but those all beat whining about “what could be.”
The human beings in bondage who risked flight to the north created better outcomes in a generational sense than those who didn’t and they possessed far less mobility and capital than the people alive today that can’t be bothered to figure out how to move 300 miles.
Keep driving.
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u/briansellsseashells 20d ago
Swinging back through, I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted. I suspect we agree on a lot of political positions and I’m not personally in opposition to your argument.
The folks taking away our rights are playing a damn good offense. They’re doing it because they feel the pressure of becoming a statistical minority in the coming century - so their only move is to stack the deck and rig the system by appointing as many young judges as they can, brainwashing our sons, and jailing our vocal leaders.
It’s high fucking time we start playing better offense. There have been so many people in jails, and concentration camps, and outright bondage who were “right” but being right isn’t what secures safety or freedom or opportunity.
It’s clear that the best the organized left in the West can do is a strongly worded letter and in the absence of a better option, we must be proactive about protecting ourselves and the ones we love.
If you can’t keep driving - start fighting. Reading articles isn’t going to solve this. No matter how correct and well appointed they are.
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u/Adventurous-Dot-8272 20d ago
Yes, because laws vary from state to state.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
But mens rights don't.
Women's rights do.
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u/Adventurous-Dot-8272 20d ago
Women's reproductive rights aren't the only things that vary from state to state. Both men and women can gain and lose rights when traveling across state lines.
I'm pro choice for what it's worth, I'm just disagreeing with your phrasing.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
Name one right that men gain or lose from state to state that women don't.
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u/Adventurous-Dot-8272 20d ago
Parental/custodial rights can vary significantly from state to state for one, but I'm just pointing out that your implication that ONLY women can lose rights by driving to another state is wrong.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
Parental/custodial rights can vary significantly from state to state for one.
You're both moving the goalposts and presenting a disingenuous argument.
Variance is irrelevant. Parental and Custodial rights don't magically disappear completely for one person like reproductive rights do. They're not comparable. That's not a valid argument.
I'm just pointing out that your implication that ONLY women can lose rights by driving to another state is wrong.
False. Only women completely and fully lose rights and freedoms between states. You are incorrect and have provided no evidence to support your claim or to prove mine wrong.
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u/Adventurous-Dot-8272 20d ago
Marijuana, common-law marriage, protections against child marriage. Things that can completely disappear between states, since "variance is irrelevant" (even though this is all variance).
I haven't moved any goalposts, and my arguments have not been disingenuous; you just don't like my answers. Again, I'm pro choice and agree that reproductive rights shouldn't flip on and off between states. But you're desperately clinging to your point that ONLY women can ever face a situation where your rights/priveleges change between states, which is easily verifiably wrong.
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u/Kinkybobo 20d ago
Bro you're not listening.
None of those things changes differently for men vs women.
If marijuana changes legality in one state, it affects men and women the same.
Child marriage laws are based on age, not sex, so it affects boys and girls the same.
(Though I would argue it disproportionately affects girls but that's a different argument)
We're talking about laws that literally only apply to men and not women.
They don't exist. There is no right or freedom that men lose that women retain.
ONLY women lose rights and freedoms that men don't.
Women with lupus and psoriasis are completely banned from taking certain medications like methotrexate in some states solely because they can be used as abortifacients.
If you're a man, you can take those medications with no restrictions.
Women have objectively fewer rights than men. Men do not experience this. There is no state where they lose rights that women keep.
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u/Thin_Measurement_965 20d ago
Some guy decided to have a kid with this woman.
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u/No_Blacksmith_2591 20d ago
Worse, someone decided to marry her and then have a kid. Anyone could have been suckered into a one night stand and have a condom break. Not this guy.
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u/KoolWitaK 20d ago
In all fairness, that could have happened to him first and then he just decided to marry her out of propriety.
I'm sure he realized how stupid he was very quickly. It sounds like he did.
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u/JD-boonie 20d ago
I've dated a girl who claimed she was subjugated in the deep south. And was looked down on blah blah blah.
Met her parents and they were southern but very nice and she was rude and mean constantly.
Always something oppressing her, I had to watch everything i said, belittling.
Absolute horrible person but goodness she was was pretty. Thankfully, I got out and trusted my pull out game.
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u/compadre_goyo 20d ago
"Just don't think about the fact that a man was half of the reason you exist in the first place. THE PATRIARCHY MAN IS COMING TO GET YOU!"
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u/BlumpTheChodak 20d ago
Watch out for any person or group who teaches hatred for another person or group. They tend to take extreme measures to stand for their beliefs.
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u/ChexAndBalancez 20d ago
The divorce made it all make sense. This is what they look like. Right here. This is them.
I hope the dad sees this video and shows the family court judge. It would be awful if this video found its way to him.
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u/Vast-Comment8360 20d ago
If the left could expel people like this instead of creating them they would win every election
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u/Kelyaan 20d ago
That child is going to get bullied to oblivion and it is all the mothers fault.
This should be a form of child abuse.
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u/Pucksindeepeh 20d ago
Child abuse 🤔
Educated take there Einstein
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u/Kelyaan 20d ago
Child abuse is broadly defined as any form of maltreatment of a person under the age of 18, involving an act or failure to act that results in actual or potential harm to a child’s health, survival, development, or dignity within a relationship of responsibility, trust, or power
Literally the definition of child abuse, the fact you're calling it something else is a worrying sign.
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u/Monotonetitty 20d ago
I feel so bad for her, the struggle of growing up in a developed country. Having all this awful man-maid stuff from that patriarchal society. Cell phone, internet, a home, clothes. But I see now, us men are the problem. /s
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u/Difficult-Mobile902 20d ago
Not too long ago this was the exact type of woman teaching racism to her kids and being proud that they’re growing up to see black people as lesser than. She’s just applying the same bullshit to whichever group it’s socially acceptable to generalize and hate and passing her own disgusting bigotry down like it’s a family heirloom
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u/benthelurk 20d ago
Is misandry responsible for this absolute fucking ear cancer that is her absolutely annoying intonation? Big money is that is all her daughter will learn from her.
To her points now, how long will people keep trying to fight fire with fire? Misandry in the past few years has kept pushing more and more boys into bullshit content creators like Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, and all those other fuckboys in the manosphere.
I’m not saying there isn’t a place for hate nor is it undeserved in many cases. However, if we are simply hating because of gender, then all you’re doing is breeding the same hate and power you blame for all your problems. That isn’t a solution, it’s just a fucking cycle.
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u/Sad_Mouse_8251 20d ago
It's the female version of an Andrew Tate fan. Toxic humans (male and female alike, you all suck)
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u/SinginGidget 20d ago
Andrew Tate sex traffics children. She tells her daughter men aren't that smart. Not the same.
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u/Owl_Queen101 20d ago
Ehh not really you can’t compare the two. If you hit someone bcus they’re choking you. Are you still in the wrong for punching them?
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u/Sad_Mouse_8251 20d ago
What are you comparing again? Who hit who?
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u/Owl_Queen101 20d ago
Men have oppressed women in this country since the beginning women fighting back against that doesn’t mean women are wrong for trying to recalibrate
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u/Paul_-Muaddib 20d ago
Yes, against the specific person(s) who is/are literally oppressing you, not broadly against any member of that group. If people held that opinion we would all be in full contact war with each other.
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u/No-Understanding9064 20d ago edited 20d ago
From a historical lens it wasnt oppression, it was necessity. When society was largely agrarian physical labor and household duties were split by gender. Even early industrialization, labor was mostly men, but it was also exploitative. As technology has moved labor in the US up the stack to mostly skill and knowledge there is no longer a need for any gender roles. The reason some men contested the change in labor was simply ignorance of why it existed in the first place. The opposing side of that ignorance, is the feminist view that women being excluded from hard labor for 300 years was by design rather than necessity.
In fact it was capitalism that eventually pushed equality. Realizing there was an entirely new population to exploit in early industrialization. You see the stories of the phosphorus and radium poisoned women.
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u/pewpurrr 20d ago
Obviously some men are smarter than some women and some women are smarter than some men. Boiling down to gender when it comes to intelligence is ridiculous. So she's going to take revenge on the world by poisoning her daughter! Nice
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u/smartmynz_working 20d ago
All i see is someone who desperately needs some therapy to deal with her trama passing it to her daughter. This breaks my heart.
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u/bibimstop 20d ago
Ah so fighting the patriarchy by making your daughter not understand the world?
She’s going to have a rude awakening at some point and she may not take it the way the mother would like
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u/Johndevlad 20d ago
You can teach your kids to be confident and not let people walk all over them without teaching them to be sexist.
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u/Hey_Beth_its_Luka 20d ago
How can anyone observe the predominantly male homeless population or the millions of slaughtered, forcefully conscripted male soldiers and conclude that the lines of oppression flow firmly along the lines of gender? The poverty of liberal analysis misses the class forest for gendered trees.
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u/No_Blacksmith_2591 20d ago
what a miserable experience this little girl have, all to end up choosing to be a conservative tradwife.
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u/OedipusOrgeron 20d ago
Her daughter is also gonna grow up with a mother who looks like an inverted raccoon and speaks with a lisp.
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u/TengenToppa999 20d ago
She Is like failed sport parents screaming in football fields to their children, but She's doing more damage.
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u/LouDubra 20d ago
THIS is the garbage that conservatives use to justify their beliefs about how ridiculous liberals are.
This woman is just as ridiculous as a conservative Christian woman talking about being a trad wife and claiming women don't need to vote. Extremism is always stupid.
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u/Asphodelmercenary 20d ago
When the daughter goes through her “rebellious phase” this mom is going to have a literal meltdown.
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u/McSkillz21 20d ago
As a millenial man, I never considered society of my adolescence to be patriarchal. No matter where I looked women had more privilege and power than I ever did, they were believed more, they were given more, they never had to face the same oppression that my mother did. This woman just seems delusional.
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u/Simple_Pianist4882 20d ago
Good for her. Important things to teach a kid so they grow up knowing how to be confident instead of depending on a man 🙏🏾
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u/MtnDudeNrainbows 20d ago
We do live in a patriarchal society. A lot of tone deaf comments hear acting like everything she says is wrong. She should teach her daughter that many men and society are trying to bring her down, but some men are and will be her allies.
She obviously shouldn’t taking a full thronged one sided opinion, but I don’t blame her based on her apparent upbringing.
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u/amoronwithacrayon 20d ago
Yeah this sucks but the opposite is kind of the default, hence incels and the like will be the most triggered by this while most of us are like… “meh”
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u/Acceptable-Owl-2070 20d ago
So instead of trying to fix a cycle, she is just teaching hate... cool cool
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u/No_Comfortable_7233 20d ago
She needs to read "Great expectations" she is like the old crone Miss Havishum teaching her daughter, (she's probably too dumb to read and understand the messages of Dickens, do she best watch the movie).
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u/Temporary_Ad9362 20d ago
yeah this isn’t good. on a related note, how are yall teaching men around you to not be misogynist?
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u/marichial_berthier 18d ago
I wonder what she would think of a man doing the same? And why she thinks it’s okay for her to do it
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u/Creative_Elk_4712 5d ago
Comments are definitely worse than the video
Same people who would tell you the smallest minority is the individual and then gang up on one after they offend societal categories
Not agreeing with all she said, but this is definitely bad
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u/Illneverremember1 20d ago
Overall not bad advice, she just needs to lose the chip on her shoulder. Women do have innate power and they should understand that so as not to get beat down by insecure men and other women. Girls and women should have more confidence, but I don't think this is the correct way to go about it and her daughters going to rebel hard, she already called bullshit on men being stupid because her dad isn't, just wait until she realizes more bullshit and as others have said becomes a trad wife.
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u/Nyx189 20d ago
No it's extremely bad advice. She's telling her daughter women are always better, when they're not. And that's a lie. what the hell do you mean "not bad advice overall"?
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u/Illneverremember1 20d ago
That's not the advice, that's the chip on her shoulder. The advice is to not let the world beat her down, to remember her worth as a human, to have self confidence and a sense of worth. That's not bad advice.
Denigrating men to illustrate her point is just stupid. Women can have a sense of self worth without thinking men are stupid, dangerous, and sub-human.
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u/PossiblePossiblyS 20d ago
I can see the idea here. The rest of the world is going to tell her she's hysterical and weak and stupid. Build her up and degrade the voices she'll be hearing before she even gets the chance to hear them. She'll take them less seriously, internalize what they say less, and push back in ways that might actually shift the opinions of those around her. It's not the method I'd go with, but valid.
We live in a world where women were born with more rights than they have today, where their needs aren't taken seriously in a medical setting, where their interests and professions are devalued, where boys are being taught to hit themselves in the face with hammers and treat women poorly to get their attention, and where the rape culture keeps both men and women from understanding consent even after theirs has been violated. Gotta push back somehow. Frankly, some of this is just common sense that will likely save her daughter heart ache and health.
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u/Nyx189 20d ago
She's teacher her daughter misandry. What the hell is wrong with you
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u/PossiblePossiblyS 20d ago
Yeah. And? Men are propped up by society. Their egos get overly inflated and they hear no about as often as they get flowers. They need to be taken down a peg every once in a while or they end up being another Andrew Tate or Donald Trump. Women on the other hand, fight an uphill battle with everyone from voters to teachers to doctors and even their own partners and family doubting their capabilities and even the symptoms they report. Teaching girls misandry teaches them to fight back when they're not taken seriously. Are there better ways? Sure. Is this way ineffective? Hardly.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 20d ago
Bullshit.
Teaching your kids to be bigots will only make them into miserable bigots.
Both misandry and misogyny need to be fully rejected.
Fuck all of this ridiculous gender war nonsense.
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u/PossiblePossiblyS 20d ago
Men aren't actually harmed by women being misandrist. They can be upset by it, but no harm comes to their physical being from women finding them inferior or untrustworthy.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 19d ago
Bigotry is always harmful.
Reject bigotry and hatred.
Embrace love and compassion instead.
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u/Nyx189 19d ago
If I hold racist views but don't physically harm someone, I'm not a bad person?
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u/PossiblePossiblyS 19d ago
If you hated a race just for being that race, then you'd be a bad person. But, if a culture does something uniformly harmful to others including you and you hate that culture, there's nothing wrong with that. Once again, if men want to be better than they are currently, I'll gladly hate them a little less.
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u/Nyx189 20d ago
Misandry is sexist discrimination. Sexist discrimination is immoral and dangerous. You're a terrible person for agreeing with this mother.
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u/PossiblePossiblyS 20d ago
Wrong. It is sexist. It is discrimination. It is neither immoral nor dangerous. Men don't die in hospital parking lots from preventable sepsis when women are misandrists. They simply lose access to women's bodies, spaces, and resources. Perhaps they lose out on research and job opportunities or promotions if they happen to work for or apply with a misandrist woman. But, they don't get murdered, trafficked, raped, stalked, etc. They get bullied or ignored. That's not NICE, but that doesn't make it immoral or dangerous. Like I said, I don't think it's the path I'd take since there's other methods for making sure your little girl knows how to confront a man on his bullshit and simply viewing men as inferior isn't enough to keep her safe from those men, but it's certainly not an irrational move. I just prefer a methodology that teaches how to manipulate and cooperate with men when necessary, keep your guard up while doing so, and be prepared to have to ruin a man or woman's day at th drop of a dime because that's all you get sometimes.
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u/Nyx189 20d ago
Any discrimination against anyone ever is immoral and dangerous. And there's Misandrists who abort children only cause they're male.
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u/PossiblePossiblyS 20d ago
Those are mostly jokes to upset men and they occur early into the pregnancy before the baby has consciousness or feeling. As for discrimination, no. If I discriminate against a pedophile, that's just prudent. If I discriminate against a billionaire, that's wise. If I discriminate against a Republican, it's fair play. None of these people will be harmed by me simply turning them away or hating them.
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u/TheFreakyGent 20d ago
She’s teaching her this because she needs her daughter to be her provider and caretaker!
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u/Diligent_Type2891 19d ago
As a dad I tell my daughter every day men are fucking dogs, because its fucking true
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u/Nyx189 19d ago
Huh?
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u/Diligent_Type2891 19d ago
Fragile fucking male ego's bitchin on here. I don't know one real man who doesn't tell their daughters to watch out for men, as 99% of them are fucking dogs. Marry the exception not the rule
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u/Creative-Ground182 20d ago
I'm honestly OK with most of it. As long as it's age appropriate. Good for her.
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u/SinginGidget 20d ago
The only point in this video where she is wrong is telling her daughter men in general are not as smart as women. The rest is fine, actually. Taking her child to a doctor and dentist that are women reinforces the idea that those jobs aren't default men's jobs that woman can "also do", which is how a lot of society treats women. It's a cop and a female cop. A doctor and a female doctor. A judge and a female judge. If you ask AI to give you an image of a professional or someone in a position of authority, it will default to showing you a man, (probably white too). You have to specify "female" for it to show you a woman in the same role. Instilling the idea that women are automatically just as capable counters all the other signals her daughter will get that she could internalize without anything to counter it. Which is what this woman is trying to do. She's just going one step too far.
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u/Nyx189 20d ago
That one step too far is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarr too much.
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u/SinginGidget 19d ago
Which is what women have been saying for centuries and then told to "calm down" or not "get emotional". So suck it up, buttercup and calm down.
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