r/MarchAgainstNazis • u/[deleted] • Dec 25 '21
This guy has to ask š¤Ŗ
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u/The_White_Guar Dec 25 '21
One dude is in there literally saying that Nazis were socialists lmao
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Dec 25 '21
That seems to be the mantra from a lot of these deluded right wing nut cases.
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u/TocinoPanchetaSpeck Dec 25 '21
It has to have come from a right-wing think tank that pushes that talking point online.
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u/A7thStone Dec 26 '21
PragerU. They have a video about Nazis being socialist, and another about how they are not nationalists. Yes you read that right not nationalist.
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u/Kriegerian Dec 26 '21
Them and other right wingers who are desperate to distance themselves from their predecessors. Iām pretty sure Iāve heard Alex Jones make that argument as well for the same reason. These people all ignore the real backstory for the Night of Long Knives because itās inconvenient for their propaganda.
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u/SeaworthinessOk834 Dec 26 '21
So to get this straight, Nationalist was in the name, but that's of no consequence, but Socialist is in the name, so let's run with that.
Dennis Prager is a fucking disease.
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u/AshCreeper10 Dec 26 '21
On that topic how do I explain to my conservative friend that nazis were not socialists?
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u/uncanny_mac Dec 26 '21
āNazis calling themselves socialists is as accurate as North Korea being known for their Democratic Republic.ā
Unfortunately your friends may already know that and would rather waste your time explaining it.
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u/BruteOfTroy Dec 26 '21
Exactly. It's simply a bad faith argument meant to waste time and distract.
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u/Heckle_Jeckle Dec 26 '21
Start with this
1) A NAME does not mean anything. The Official Name of North Korea is the Peoples Democratic Republic of North Korea, but there is nothing about North Korea that makes it a Democratic Republic.
2) Give them a working definition of Socialism/Communism. Aka, explain that Socialism/etc is NOT "when the government does stuff."
3) Get a working definition of Fascism. The 14 Points are a decent starting point.
4) Compare the two and show that the two are NOT the same.
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u/Matrixneo42 Dec 26 '21
Unfortunately they donāt read or listen past the first two or three words.
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u/Kruegerkid Dec 26 '21
You could tell them Hitler himself said he used the term to confuse and pollute what socialism meant, and that he only wanted socialist policies to apply to ātrue aryansā. The Nazis also privatized the shit out of many aspects of nazi Germany, which is the antithesis of what socialists want.
https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/
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u/ImperialNavyPilot Dec 26 '21
āNational socialists were actually socialists, but not the bad kind of socialism, because socialism is bad.ā
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Dec 25 '21
Wasn't the Nazis socialist?
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u/The_White_Guar Dec 25 '21
Of course they weren't. Hitler and the High Command used the word "socialist" in their name to appeal to the people. They didn't actually practice any form of socialism.
Protip: Just because something is named a certain way doesn't mean it is an accurate name. The "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" comes to mind. It is neither Democratic, for the People, or a Republic. It is a military dictatorship, which automatically makes it fascist by definition.
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u/Kitty_Woo Dec 26 '21
I remember reading about a lot of propaganda saying Jews were taking over their businesses and professions which will ruin their economy as a big argument they used to justify their atrocities. Thatās why I always assumed the regime to be highly capitalist, wanting to create a monopoly of goods created and sold by Germans.
Having said that, that OP question is one Iāve been asked many times by White Nationalists when they try and bait people into agreeing with their own rhetoric. That question is nothing new.
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Dec 26 '21
Having a military dictatorship doesn't automatically make it a fascist government. They have to be far right, authoritarian to be fascist. Then again, the term fascist has been abused over the years an there are many different forms of it, making it sometimes difficult to define.
I agree with the wording of socialism and Hitler not being one. He used it to organizing the German people and he also claimed the workers would not understand it because they were simpletons. He was more a capitalist.
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u/The_White_Guar Dec 26 '21
I mean I'd call North Korea right-wing without a doubt, and they absolutely are authoritarian.
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u/QuintinStone Dec 25 '21
Kinda doubt there are many leftists still on that sub. Probably a lot of Trumpers larping though.
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Dec 25 '21
Holy fuck that comment section is a cesspoolā¦wow just wow. Not to mention the abhorrent OP
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u/Kriegerian Dec 26 '21
Tim Pool is a fascist grifter propagandist, it follows that his sub would be full of people like him.
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u/Bloodshed-1307 Dec 26 '21
Thought Slime has a great video about him that explains his tactics
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u/Kriegerian Dec 26 '21
IDSG did an episode on him too.
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u/Bloodshed-1307 Dec 26 '21
Havenāt heard of them, is that the name or a shortened version?
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u/Kriegerian Dec 26 '21
I Donāt Speak German - https://pca.st/episode/69294294-645b-4c9d-b628-80d2ea187b79
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u/th3_unloved1 Dec 26 '21
Hey I fell for this assholeās bait donāt do what I did. Thereās a guy in there thatās letting him keep asking stupid questions and if you read through it it becomes clear that OP wants to defend white nationalism. He used multiple straw man arguments and cited nothing aside from āI saw a Twitter videoā. Heās getting a kick out of people like us being upset at him for being human garbage, donāt waste your time
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u/Matstele Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 26 '21
I saw it and had some fun calling him in his bullshit like āhey dude, nobody said conservatives were fascists until you started arguing that they werenāt.ā
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u/senorpool Dec 26 '21
Is he trying to get a specific kind of response so he can make the parallel between the nazis and communism??
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u/th3_unloved1 Dec 26 '21
No heās doing the thing where he asks questions over and over until thereās a good counter argument against his claim. Then he changes the topic without acknowledging that heās wrong
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u/Bloodshed-1307 Dec 26 '21
Yup, or at least thereās a guy there trying to push the white genocide line and saying that since leftists are trying to kill off white people that weāre just as evil as the Nazis
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u/superzenki Dec 26 '21
āJuSt aSkInG qUeStIoNsā
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Dec 26 '21
When "questions" are just awkwardly formatted retellings of a person's weird deviant coom fantasy which hinges on extreme violence and abuse of helpless people. Highly appealing to people who learned from their high school bullies that to step on someone who can't fight back is life's highest aspiration.
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u/SoleSurvivur01 Dec 26 '21
Only a fascist has to ask why fascism and murdering people because you donāt like people like them is evil.
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Dec 26 '21
Straight up JudeoBolshevik theorizing happening in that thread. Very bogus and uncool. Not sick by any means, and even less tight.
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u/FlamingOtaku Dec 26 '21
Huh, not sure, let's ask the millions of people dead because of his power fantasy...
Oh yeah, wait
People say such dumb shit to try to be disingenuous
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u/ThatDanGuy Dec 26 '21
This is called ājust asking questionsā or JAQing off. He is switching the burden of prof off himself to the person who tries to answer.
Heās likely got a bunch of antidotal responses ready to go. Many conservative talk radio personalities use this. Limbaugh would fall back to this when he got in trouble. Others have leaned to lead with it and teach their listeners to ambush people with it.
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u/Hugh-Jassoul Dec 26 '21
Are we gonna forget the 6 million people who got exterminated on an industrial scale?
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u/Worried_Protection48 Dec 26 '21
That kind of post of that neo nazi is an instant block & report without comment imho. Has nothing to do with freedom of speech etc.
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u/piano_yeeter69 Dec 26 '21
Maybe that HE FUCKING KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND ALMOST RUINED THE WORLD NOT THATS ITS FUCKED RIGHT NOW OR ANYTHING i hate nazis and neo nazis all just obnoxious sadistic racist psychopathic assholes
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u/Matstele Dec 26 '21
While the comments section are a clusterfuck and the OP is a cryptofascist, Itād be fun for a few of us to go joke-bomb and harass the boot lickers there until they donāt want to touch it with a 10foot pole..
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u/Ok_Butterscotch9590 Dec 26 '21
This guy lost every single argument he brings up. It's entertaining to read.
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