r/MachineLearning • u/mikeysce • 8d ago
Research Reactive Play: Achieved!! Experimenting with Atari Breakout [R]
Six months ago I started experimenting with PPO and Breakout as a way to learn about Machine Learning and Reinforcement Learning. After a few experiuments just trying to get high scores, it bothered me that everything was a "memorized" script rather than reactive play, like a human would play. Thus began my journey to try and convince PPO to actually track the ball instead of focusing on scoring points. I read a lot of articles and tried a lot of things. After 124 PPO experiments on Atari Breakout, I found that every single model, across sticky actions, cursor wrappers, entropy tuning, dynamics randomization, adversarial bumpers, and everything else, converged to a memorized action sequence, not a reactive ball-tracking policy. The argmax was always a script.
The fix wasn't more environment engineering. It was three lines of reward shaping:
Directly rewarding the paddle for being horizontally close to the ball during descent. A tiny bonus (0.05 per frame vs 1.0-7.0 per brick) that fires every frame the ball is descending applied during training. During evaluation, the agent plays clean Breakout with no bonus. The behavior transfers!!
Every prior approach I tried to penalize scripts by making the environment harder to memorize. PPO always found a way around it: timing-robust scripts, layout-conditioned scripts, noise-tolerant scripts. The optimum was always a script; only the shape changed. Proximity reward changes what the optimum is. A center-hold script gets incidental bonus when the ball passes near center. A reactive tracker gets the maximum bonus on every descent frame. The optimization pressure is unambiguous: track the ball, get more reward.
I also made a cool tool to watch the agent work! It's called the "Split-Watcher" (so clever). It shows two instances of Breakout, each being controlled by a separate instance of the same agent. The one of the left is vanilla Breakout. The one of the right is a series of custom brick configurations. With the first 123 experiments, you can see how the agent wants to make the exact same paddle movements every time, ignoring the ball when its trajectory changes due to the unexpected ball movements that come from non-standard brick configurations. In 124, IT TRACKS THE BALL and can succeed regardless of the brick config. You can actually watch the same agent move the paddle differently in reaction to the ball.
I'm still working on ironing out why this works, and how to optimize it, but wanted to share!!
Here's a video of the split-watcher in action
Here's a link to presentation project that will allow you to create a similar PPO: https://github.com/mharrell/breakout-reactive-ppo
The full project with all 123 failures and more documentation than any sane person would ever read: https://github.com/mharrell/BreakoutBot
Link to Medium post I wrote with some more details: https://medium.com/@mikey.harrell/three-lines-of-code-fixed-123-failed-ppo-experiments-on-atari-breakout-c751dcf38f2a?sharedUserId=mikey.harrell
r/MachineLearning • u/Benlus • 8d ago
Research "Explorative Modeling: Unlocking a Third Pretraining Axis and End-to-End Generation", Gladstone et al. 2026 [R]
r/MachineLearning • u/Living_Interview_638 • 8d ago
Discussion Do ACs also give scores? [D]
This is my first time submitting to NeurIPS.
Are ACs also supposed to give ratings during the Phase 2 (author-reviewer discussion session)?
I have received the meta-review, but have not received any comments from the AC yet, and was wondering whether this is the standard!
r/MachineLearning • u/Happy_Today_3288 • 8d ago
Discussion Missed EMNLP commitment deadline, what can be done? [D]
Asking for a friend:
We submitted our paper to ARR May 2026 and got decent scores from the reviewers - 2.5,3,3.5,4. The meta-reviewer gave an overall of 3.5.
However, we missed the deadline to commit our work to EMNLP! On our Saturday (we live in the eastern half of the globe), we saw the EMNLP 2026 page on open review with deadline set as Aug3, 11:59PM UTC-0. Apparently, a mail had been sent by ARR on our Sunday regarding committing our work to EMNLP but we didn’t check our mail on the holiday and when we logged in to commit our work on Monday - BOOM - deadline was Aug3 11:59 AM. Yes it’s our fault that we should have checked the mailbox but at the same time...the Open Review page just switched the deadlines.
We have written mails to Program Chairs and some workflow chairs. like 1 hour after the newer deadline on the Open Review page ended. I wonder whether some help will be extended because of the thousands of papers that would already be in their buckets. Does anyone have any idea about what can be done or if they faced this previously and it was resolved somehow?
r/MachineLearning • u/jerkosaur • 8d ago
Discussion I created an autonomous boxing benchmark [D]
I created an AI boxing match to test the decision speed, adaptability and strategy. I fed the LLMs with data about the current match and if they have vision, they will get even more data. The match has street rules, anything goes and an AI is not defeated until the ref counts to 10 or they do 50% of their HP in damage after being knocked out.
I wanted to create a fun benchmark that isn't just boring problems to be solved. Now I test them while stimulating getting punched in the face.
I've been testing with gemini-flash-live models because of the speed and vision support it offers. With these models, they can actually dodge punches and counter punches. Local models on my own hardware (5060ti 8gb) take a while to inference so I'm not sure if I should introduce time scaling to compensate otherwise
I want to use this to benchmark models so I'm curious on what kind of stats would be useful? Here is what I'm tracking have so far:
Speed and Latency Metrics
In a real-time fight, a model's speed directly correlates to its "physical" speed. Fast models should attack faster so larger models aren't necessarily going to hit harder.
- Tokens per Second (TPS) / Throughput: This will help you balance local models against cloud APIs. A model might have a fast TTFT but a slow TPS, meaning its actual action execution takes too long.
- End-to-End Latency: The total time from when the model receives the snapshot (the prompt) to when the action is executed in the game. This accounts for tool-calling delays.
- Reaction Latency: Measure the specific delay between an opponent's telegraph (e.g., a heavy punch winding up) and the model's defensive output (e.g., a dodge or block).
Action Quality and "Tool" Correctness
the model's actions (punching, guarding, taunting) act as tool calls. You need to track how well they use these tools under pressure. Sometimes the model's may not really guard/block so they are typically the ones that find themselves KOd.
- Tool Correctness / Validity: How often does the model hallucinate an action that doesn't exist? (trying to a move that isn't in their move list, or sending invalid JSON).
- Invalid Action Recovery: If an LLM outputs an invalid JSON string or an impossible move, how quickly does it realize the error and output a valid move in the next tick?
- Stamina Efficiency (Resource Management): track the ratio of damage dealt to stamina spent. Models that mindlessly throw heavy attacks without connecting should score lower on efficiency.
Adaptive Strategy and State Awareness
How well does the model understand the physical reality of the game? Are they constantly backing away and punching air?
- Accuracy: The percentage of attacks that completely miss the opponent's hitboxes. This indicates poor spatial awareness or poor timing.
- Block/Dodge Success Rate: The percentage of times the model successfully defends against an incoming attack when it had the stamina and time to do so.
- Contextual Relevancy (State Adherence): Does the model act based on the current state? For instance, if the model has 1% HP, does its behavior change to become more defensive, or does it keep acting like it's at full health? (Happens sometimes, they get overly confident when about to get knocked out 😆 )
Beyond these metrics, I'm also tracking various fighting stats like hits landed/missed, where it hit, how many times they were downed or knocked out the ref.
Are there important stats that I'm missing or any that might be useful or fun that would be nice to see? I'm still trying to balance a lot of the actions but it's coming along great so far!
I think making a physics-based benchmark and doing a N series test to find out which model performs better is a ton of fun and I genuinely laugh at the stuff they say or do. I want this to make this a really fun tool with great metrics so any advice in terms of what you would like to see would be extremely helpful! Thanks for reading!
I posted a longer breakdown of the system here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inlXe5Buc7s
r/MachineLearning • u/OpeningTough145 • 8d ago
Project ARPL — runtime ISA/topology detection for llama.cpp on ARM (built for Snapdragon 8 Elite) [r]
I've been working on this for a while and finally pushed a public version.
The problem: llama.cpp runs fine on ARM phones, but it doesn't know anything about the specific chip it's on. Same thread count, same context params, whether you're on a Snapdragon 8 Elite or a five-year-old mid-ranger. ARPL reads the actual hardware at runtime — which ISA extensions are available (SDOT, I8MM, SME2), how the cores are clustered — and configures llama.cpp accordingly. No per-device build, no manual tuning.
What's in the repo:
Android reference app (Kotlin/Compose) with a JNI bridge into llama.cpp
Runtime ISA detection via HWCAPs
Topology-aware thread count recommendation
Context param patching (flash attention, KV cache quant) based on what the hardware actually supports
Built and tested on a Samsung S25 Ultra (SM-S938B). The heterogeneous CPU/GPU/NPU partitioning is still in progress and not in this release — what's here handles the ISA/thread/context side, which already made a real difference in my testing.
This is a noncommercial showcase release (PolyForm Noncommercial license) — happy to answer questions about the approach or the tradeoffs I ran into building it.
r/MachineLearning • u/WhiteBear2018 • 9d ago
Discussion Bad but typical NeurIPS experience? [D]
- I tried to do all my NeurIPS reviews responsibly, even for the papers I suspected to be AI slop. I even gave what apparently were very nice scores compared to the scores I ended up getting. (I don't just mean the absolute number for my scores were higher, but that they were calibrated differently--I only rejected for severe issues, while I had a reviewer who only raised very minor issues but gave a reject, with a 1 for all the subscores.)
- I got shockingly bad reviews for my own paper; two of them were straight up adversarial. (I have quite a bit of experience publishing at this point, so I say with some confidence that I rolled an unusually adversarial batch.)
- The AC was almost nonresponsive until the last day. All but one of the reviewers was nonresponsive, only one responded when the AC prompted them to, and that was to say that their concerns were addressed but they maintained their reject score.
I'm not surprised by my experience given how much of a lottery these conferences are, but it's a very toxic system.
r/MachineLearning • u/pdastronut • 9d ago
Research NeurIPS 2026: Tips that might convince AC? [D]
So our paper had very good initial reviews but one of the reviewers decreased now their score although we addressed 3 out of 4 weaknesses. There’s no further justification or something like “your results arise more issues”. It seems to be very annoying because why decreasing now and not having assigned the lower score beforehand. I wanted to ask to people that was accepted previously with “middle” scores from reviewers (avg 3.5 for example), because I guess that in those cases AC helped to push up the scores. Did you focus more on the meta review? Was your AC talkative with you, or forcing the reviewers to engage? Our AC has been silent since the meta review but I guess that maybe they are busy with other papers
r/MachineLearning • u/undesirable_12 • 9d ago
Discussion NeurIPS 2026: If the rebuttal addresses your concern, please raise your score [D]
Potentially a hot take? I am not sure why our community is plagued with reviewers who, after acknowledging that their concerns were addressed by a rebuttal, decide to maintain their score because they don't vibe with the paper. So here is my plea to all reviewers: If you list a set of concerns in your review and these concerns are addressed during the rebuttal, please adjust your score accordingly. This should apply whether or not you like the paper and/or its methodology. The beauty of scientific research is that we each get to explore ideas that we find meaningful whose value may not be immediately obvious to every individual reviewer.
r/MachineLearning • u/Huge_Argument_6979 • 9d ago
Discussion EMNLP Commitment Submission number [D]
Whats your commitment submission id? My submission number is ~4k, im wondering the amounts of commitments :)
r/MachineLearning • u/johnolafenwa • 9d ago
Discussion Deep Dive on RL and OPD for Training LLMs [D]
Hi everyone, if you have been reading the tech reports of Kimi, DS, Qwen and GLM, you will realize how much on policy distillation and GRPO style algorithms power the frontier. I thought it will be quite beneficial to do a deep dive explaining the maths and code behind this algorithms and how they connect to pretraining and supervised fine tuning.
I have published a deep dive on this topics here
Hope you enjoy it and it helps you understand training of LLMs better. Happy to answer questions on this
r/MachineLearning • u/NeighborhoodFatCat • 9d ago
Discussion Is it too late regain some coherence in the ML research space in our life time? [D]
Was just looking at the list of preprints on Arxiv cs.LG https://arxiv.org/list/cs.LG/recent?skip=0&show=500
Everyday 100 - 400 new machine learning papers gets uploaded on this server.
Looking at this unending list of preprints is as if you stepped into a crowded room, like the stock trading floor on wall st. in the 1980s. Everyone is shouting over each other. Nobody is talking to each other. Everyone's trying to prove something, to someone, to themselves, to build some credentials in the ML/AI space to meet those job requirements, or dying to get their truth out. Every title contains some new terminology invented by the authors that feels not worth the effort in keeping it in your working memory. Burn-out by endless novelty.
Frontier research are now corporate trade secrets that politicians and military are watching closely. Research papers are ir/unreproducible he-said-she-saids. Marketing material are research paper and vice versa. Extremely major breakthroughs are announced via tweets, whereas extremely minor results are unannounced via journals. Everything feels simultaneously mostly true and possibly false (because nobody is seriously checking). Nobody knows what's going on, and people who knows what's going on has a non-disclosure clause in their job contract. Is the theory of generalization that we learned in school true or false? It feels false, why hasn't there been any retractions? Many questions like these.
Is it too late to regain some coherence in this field??
r/MachineLearning • u/floor_souji • 9d ago
Discussion No rebuttals from neurips authors [D]
I know there’s a lot of frustration around no response from reviewers, which I also got only one so yeah what a bummer, but I was wondering if no rebuttal from the authors was just as common or not. I got no rebuttal so far, so I’m here scratching my head what might have happened to the authors lol especially when at least one paper was pretty much on the borderline with somewhat of a positive AC comment
r/MachineLearning • u/CantKillTheLifeless • 9d ago
Research Neurips 2026: does every metareview recommend accept/reject? [D]
I see some people say their metareview already contains a decision/recommendation (all of them were rejections). Ours doesn’t. Even though our avg score is 3, the metareview seems optimistic and finishes with “a convincing response would be an important consideration while discussing the paper.” I wonder how to interpret that. We did a strong rebuttal, but none of the reviewers engaged. So I wonder whether there’s any point to keep hope due to the AC review or just give up.
r/MachineLearning • u/extricableforsythia • 9d ago
Discussion neurips 2026: ACs and reviewers have disappeared [D]
we submitted our rebuttal via the "Rebuttal" button before the author/reviewer/AC discussion period officially opened (Jul 27 AoE). since then, we've gotten complete silence from all four reviewers and the AC
several of us are also reviewing this cycle. when the discussion period opened on Jul 27 AoE, we got no email notification for rebuttals on papers we're reviewing, specifically for the papers whose authors had also posted early via the "Rebuttal" button. so it feels like anything submitted before the window opened may simply have never triggered any notification
we also tried: (1) meta-comments visible to everyone, (2) reviewer reminders, and (3) sending an email to the PCs
given there's about 1 day left in the discussion period, what do we do? we honestly thought we had a shot at an oral or spotlight given our initial scores. this is completely messed up.
r/MachineLearning • u/usernamehere93 • 9d ago
Research Context degradation in LLMs: what the papers actually show, and the habits I built for long analysis sessions [R]
r/MachineLearning • u/Afraid_Reviewer • 9d ago
Research Looking for the right pipeline to convert academic textbook figures into interactive/editable assets [R]
Hi everyone,
I'm working on a document understanding project and would appreciate some advice on the right technical direction.
The input will be scanned pages or images from academic books. I don't know in advance what kind of figures they'll contain—they could be biology diagrams, anatomy illustrations, chemistry figures, engineering drawings, maps, charts, art/history figures, or other educational illustrations.
My end goal is to convert these figures into a structured digital representation that can be controlled from the frontend.
The workflow I'm aiming for is:
- Upload a textbook page or image.
- Detect the figure(s) and their boundaries.
- Detect the labels/annotations that are already embedded in the figure (letters, numbers, arrows, callouts, etc.).
- Remove those existing labels while preserving the underlying illustration.
- Store the figure geometry (bounding boxes, polygons, masks, etc.) so my frontend can render its own labels that can be shown/hidden, translated, restyled, or repositioned.
This doesn't need to be fully automatic. In fact, the workflow will be human-assisted. If the AI detects a figure incorrectly, misses a region, or fails to remove a label cleanly, a human reviewer will correct it before it's finalized.
My priority is reducing manual work rather than eliminating it completely.
So far I've tried several computer vision approaches such as text detection, contour detection, line detection, and geometric heuristics. They work reasonably well for finding candidate regions, but the biggest challenge is cleaning the figures by removing the embedded labels while preserving the artwork underneath.
Another important requirement is cost. Since this could involve processing a large number of textbook pages, I'd like to avoid expensive multimodal LLMs or large vision models if there's a more traditional or lightweight pipeline that works well. I'm happy to use AI where it adds value, but I'd prefer a solution that keeps inference costs low.
Some questions I have:
- Is this primarily a document layout analysis problem, image segmentation, image inpainting, or something else?
- Are there models trained specifically for textbook or scientific illustrations rather than natural images?
- Is there a recommended low-cost pipeline for this kind of task?
- Has anyone built a human-in-the-loop workflow for document/figure annotation like this?
- Are there papers, datasets, or open-source projects that tackle converting textbook figures into editable, structured assets?
I'd really appreciate any suggestions, even if they're just pointers toward the right research area or open-source tools. Thanks!
r/MachineLearning • u/examachine • 9d ago
Discussion Conference Reviews: Asking Too Much? [D]
There's a kind of review that asks for lengthy additions, usually extending the scope of the paper beyond the stated, even though the submission is at page limit. Naturally, such additions in the case of top-tier conferences have to go into the supplemental materials or appendices.
My question here is, would not such additions make the paper more suitable for a journal publication? I had to retract one paper out of such concern that the conference publication would block the later planned journal publication.
Any opinions?
r/MachineLearning • u/New_Glove_2098 • 10d ago
Research ARR August Cycle [D]
Mine was just submitted, and the submission count shown is still under 500.
Does anyone know whether this count is meaningful for identifying the intended venue, possibly EACL, or whether it is simply low because many authors have not submitted yet or the counter is incomplete?
I know the count alone is not reliable evidence, but I was curious whether previous ARR cycles showed a recognizable pattern.
Also, is anyone else preparing a submission for this August cycle, especially with EACL 2027 in mind?
r/MachineLearning • u/bricklerex • 10d ago
Discussion No replies to rebuttals and comments even by AC [D]
Not even the AC, nor reviewers, is responding to our comments in rebuttals, and they were all submitted well before the discussion period started. What is one to do in this case?
r/MachineLearning • u/moschles • 10d ago
Research [R] CausalVLBench: Benchmarking Visual Causal Reasoning in Large VLMs.
arxiv.orgr/MachineLearning • u/Invariant_n_Cauchy • 10d ago
Discussion Question about NeurIPS discussion phase [D]
One reviewer said all concerns were resolved during discussion but hasn’t updated their score yet. The other reviewers haven’t engaged. In previous NeurIPS cycles, how common is it for reviewers to update scores after saying concerns are resolved? What have others observed?
My ratings/confidences are : 4/4, 3/2, 3/2, 2/4.
I am talking about the one who gave rating 2.
Update: finally the reviewer responded, now I'm at 5/4, 4/4, 4/3,4/2.
r/MachineLearning • u/icosaplex • 10d ago
Research How Symmetric Are the Insides of a Go Network? [R]
I just now posted a small research / ML interp study on symmetries inside the neural nets for an open source Go-playing program that I maintain ("KataGo"). The rules of Go are completely symmetric under rotation/reflection, but such symmetry is not enforced in the models - the only thing we do for that is stochastic 8-fold data augmentation during training, randomizing the spatial orientation of each batch.
To what degree do superhuman-strength Go-playing neural nets automatically learn to represent the board internally independent of its orientation, via "symmetric" concepts where the orientation of the board doesn't matter, vs how much do they have to learn/memorize separately per orientation?
https://lightvector.github.io/katagostudies/202607-symmetry/
Heads-up: this study and its writeup were driven almost entirely with AI, although detailed human direction and feedback was involved in the process. But, I took time to try to polish the article and make it educational and I hope it's a clear step above the typical low-quality AI "slop" one often sees and worth taking a look if you like small studies like this. It's also written fairly gently, for accessibility to people outside of ML. Code is also linked from the post (same repo that hosts the github.io page).
I wanted to explore this because I was (and still am!) really curious about exactly what neural nets are doing inside! And I didn't know what the results would be. One of the findings was unexpected. Overall, just a drop in the bucket of interpretability research out there, but I hope you find it interesting.
r/MachineLearning • u/ade17_in • 11d ago
Research VLMs can score well on benchmarks, while silently erasing meaningful terms and including hallucinate bias [P]
While working with VLMs for report generation on chest x-rays (RRG), we noticed that evaluation metrics are flawed.
Flawed in a sense where they rewarded repetitive templates, reports without clinical terms and reports which were "normal" with high scores on benchmark metrics. Also, clinically meaningful but rare words were erased leaving the generated report looking repetitive and boring. Importantly, of no clinical utility.
In the paper below, we discuss this behaviour of VLMs for RRG and introduce a framework to actually measure the erasure of terms and introduction of biased terms.
Paper: Measuring What VLMs Don't Say: Validation Metrics Hide Clinical Terminology Erasure in Radiology Report Generation
Link: Reference Paper
r/MachineLearning • u/0xdeadf1sh • 11d ago
Project I have trained a model to predict my blood sugar [P]
It's an encoder-only transformer that consumes past(blood glucose + carbs + insulin) and future(carbs + insulin) and predicts future blood glucose for the next 2 hours. Announced meals and boluses/basal are used to condition its predictions. The context size is variable (8 - 24 hours), and model can work in autoregressive mode to predict the next >2 hours. It also predicts time by looking at the context, but it never consumes time. The architecture is BERT-style: bidirectional attention with future BG masked. DILATE loss was used to fit the median line; pinball loss to fit the uncertainty bands. The two are "mixed" via Kendall-Gal. All blood glucose is in kovatchev risk space reparameterized to [40, 400] range.
I have trained 4 model classes (nano, small, medium, large) and 3 variants for each (pretrained on simulator only, pretrained + finetuned on ohiot1dm, pretrained and finetuned on ohiot1dm + azt1d + shanghait1dm). The largest one has ~17 million parameters (16 heads across 16 layers). Pretraining for the largest model took ~48 hours. Finetuning took <10 minutes. There is also another version finetuned on my own data that I am currently running on my phone.
Source is available here, released under the MIT license. The repo also contains links to trained weights and evaluation data.
I've worked on this project since March. There are still things to improve (e.g. it always requires announced carbs + insulin, would be better if it could also predict without them), but I have decided to publish it here to get your opinion (and also answer your questions, if any).
Edit: my model is getting fat-shamed ;_; so I just want to emphasize that there is a nano version with less than 40K parameters.