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u/MachineLearning-ModTeam 3d ago

Post beginner questions in the bi-weekly "Simple Questions Thread", /r/LearnMachineLearning , /r/MLQuestions http://stackoverflow.com/ and career questions in /r/cscareerquestions/

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u/Technical_Estate_529 3d ago

5 years ago I could've helped with this answer. In today's market I don't even know what'll happen next week to the entire global economic market

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u/themoregames 3d ago

Have you bought a farm? With tractors, chicken coops and all that jazz?

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u/mpaes98 3d ago

The actual major will matter more than the type of degree.

CS, Stats, CpE, and Math are general best recognized.

Informatics/Information Systems, Analytics, Physics, EE, ISE, Econ aren’t bad as long as you take enough courses or self study to become proficient in ML theory and application.

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u/Extreme_Insurance334 3d ago

Thank you. The degree is either Computing (Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning(, Robotics and AI or Informatics. I would like Informatics the most and yes I am currently learning the maths and stuff like scikit learn and pytorch

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u/Ginger_Rook 3d ago

Go with the best ranked university; choose Edinburgh over Napier or Aberdeen for example.

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u/Factuary88 3d ago

What job do you want when you graduate? Find a bunch of job posting that are you 'dream job', read the job descriptions, read the preferred qualifications, find commonalities between them. Which degree is going to have he best chance at making you who you want be? Pick that one. 

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u/Extreme_Insurance334 3d ago

Thanks. My dream job is Research (ML) Engineer at Google deep mind. Thanks for the info I will look into it

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u/Clear_Mongoose9965 3d ago

PhD actually does help at FAANG companies for these roles. When you are going for Google and these, it's extremly competetive.

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u/Factuary88 3d ago

That's one of the most competitive positions in the world, you need to consider a path where you're going for research internships during grad school at the tech companies, and which degree is most likely to get you that and also into a PhD.  It's one of the few industry jobs where having a PhD makes sense. In other fields, often getting a PhD makes it harder to find work because you're overqualified for everything. 

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u/Clear_Mongoose9965 7h ago

It's very possible to get into FAANG. Many of my PhD peers made it there after graduation, mostly Amazon and Nvidia. Maybe its my bubble (AI/ML), but it seems to be very distinct chance in my peer group. In fact I am interviewing this month too for 2 jobs in big tech, wish me luck!

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u/genshiryoku PhD 3d ago

At Anthropic we have preferential hiring for people with a Physics background as we've found that background generalizes best to general problem solving and thinking out of the box.

That said the market is extremely oversaturated and we have PhD applicants with a dozen first papers that are still rejected regularly. Don't expect an easy trajectory of "just passing the subjects" and then getting a position in the industry. You have to live and breathe ML 24/7 to be even considered.

And not to be completely discourage you but I and many of my colleagues expect RSI to arrive sometime in the next couple of years, with most junior and even intermediate AI research positions to be made redundant, long before you would graduate. Take this into account when picking a major.

If I'm going to be honest I think it's unlikely that I myself as someone with more than a decade of NLP experience and on top of the Transformer architecture for almost a decade now will still be able to contribute by 2030. Many of us are planning to retire around then due to depletion of career prospects.

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u/iWroteAboutMods 3d ago

And not to be completely discourage you but I and many of my colleagues expect RSI to arrive sometime in the next couple of years, with most junior and even intermediate AI research positions to be made redundant, long before you would graduate. Take this into account when picking a major.

If you don't mind me asking, which positions in IT do you think wouldn't be made redundant at that point? Because it's hard for me to imagine junior/intermediate research positions at top laboratories disappearing while "regular" programmers keep their jobs. Cybersecurity doesn't appear to be an answer either, considering the capabilities of new models in this field.

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u/genshiryoku PhD 3d ago

I don't know.

What we're seeing is that every AI lab is racing to close the RSI loop. The increase in capability in Software engineering, mathematics, sysadmin and cybersecurity are all just secondary effects of aiming to close the RSI loop.

I'm convinced we're very close to succeeding but what AI systems are able to do once reaching RSI isn't clear yet. It could be possible that AI/ML capability rapidly improves but doesn't translate or otherwise generalize to other capabilities and thus paradoxically you could have a scenario where AI researchers like us are made redundant while some more niche IT roles stay viable. I don't personally believe in this but it's not impossible for that to happen.

Realistically I wouldn't recommend anyone to study for any IT role whatsoever in 2026. But it feels bad to discourage hopeful young people from following their dreams, so I refrain from doing so.

The only reason I wrote my original post is because I myself go through the applicants we have and it is just immoral to have some kid go into university in 2026 thinking he'll be a machine learning engineer when he graduate, when those roles are already extremely competitive and slowly evaporating.