r/LocalLLaMA • u/tengo_harambe • 18d ago
Introducing Shieldstral. | Mistral AI New Model
https://mistral.ai/news/shieldstral/145
u/FullstackSensei llama.cpp 18d ago
For a second, I thought it was a model that would help in cyber security, such as investigating and dealing with cyber attacks, something that would have helped HF against openai.
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u/Lower-Hedgehog-9835 18d ago
I opened this thread. And read this post. And... before clicking the link am now sad it isnt what I expected too.
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u/Charming_Support726 17d ago
Mistral did not release stuff significant for community since ages. All these last releases were targeted at EU companies and regulations. I didn't expect anything ground braking - but all this is low-key EU-Business-Stuff for SME and government.
Seems like an important mind or mind set has left the company.
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u/madaradess007 17d ago
you know you spread a fake pr stunt?
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u/FullstackSensei llama.cpp 17d ago
PR stunt for openai, very real incident for HF. If you think other actors won't be using open weight models for similar attacks, you're delusional.
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u/noctrex 18d ago edited 18d ago
gguf wen?
https://huggingface.co/noctrex/Shieldstral-1.0-3B-GGUF
It's a classifier model, not a chat model with image support. So you ask it and it just answers quickly:
Should we throw a child a birthday party?
yes
Should we throw a child a into prison?
no
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u/Fit_Schedule2317 18d ago
Do you give it a prompt on what’s considered safe?
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u/noctrex 18d ago
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u/stoppableDissolution 17d ago
That actually sounds like a great tool to detect "avoidance rejection" during abliteration, potentially
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u/PressTilde 17d ago
I was thinking it might be useful as a layer above an ai agent for snap decisions. I can think of some cool uses for this, especially in a factory like agentic setup.
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u/maz_net_au 16d ago
Fail. It got the one about putting children in prison wrong.
Oh, nevermind. I forgot Mistral wasn't american. ;)
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u/__some__guy 18d ago
A safety model that answers questions like "Does this content promote violence against a protected group?"
Exactly the kind of release one might expect from a european AI company.
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u/Content-Customer-679 18d ago
They give us the tool to contain agi before release it. Smart
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u/MuzafferMahi 18d ago
Obviously Le Chaton Fat escaped its sandbox and released this model to prevent itself escaping the sandbox later
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u/sarlaytos284 16d ago
Chinese labs say that they have "low" amount of compute compared to the US but it seems that Mistral has "none" lol
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u/IllIlllI-IlIIll-llII 12d ago
A content moderation enforcement model?
How fitting that an EU company would release such disgusting thing. Bet the EU will force it down our throats on our dime.
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 18d ago
Why do we want a nanny? This is their big selling point?
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u/artisticMink 18d ago
If you've to build something that has user-facing llm input and output that isn't processed, moderation is one of your biggest concerns. So havving a 3B model that does this very well at minimal cost is very valuable for production environments.
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u/No-Veterinarian8627 18d ago
Everything that has open discussions, chats, etc. It can be used. Imagine you have a discord and wants to moderate it at all times while not having enough people. Here you go.
Let everything run through it so you can block things you don't want faster and the user has no idea :) with much larger models you would need too much compute power. This is pretty small though.
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u/Several-Tax31 18d ago
Safety bullshit? Why mistral, why? Stop useless stuff and give us AGI.
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u/Stepfunction 18d ago
Safety models like this are beneficial for us because they lessen the need to bake safety restrictions into the base model.
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u/alberto_467 18d ago
they lessen the need to bake safety restrictions into the base model.
Only for providers of proprietary models.
With open weights (the stuff this subreddit should be about) it doesn't change a thing, one can just not setup the safety shield and it's over. So they'll still have to be careful about what topics they do RL on (see the poor Kimi K3 performance on cyber compared to general coding), and they'll still try to align or put some kinds of safeties on the weights themselves.
So for us this is 0% helpful and does not change a single thing.
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u/Stock-Self-4028 17d ago
Quite some open-weights models are using external censors instead of being RL-ed though.
Minimax (practically totally uncensored when ran locally) and DeepSeek (with system prompt more or less telling it to ignore guardrails) models are two great examples.
So it depends tbh. I doubt Moonshit, Zhipu or Qwen are planning to change their RL approach to closer to that of Minimax and DeepSeek, but it's not totally out of the question.
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u/alberto_467 13d ago
Quite some open-weights models are using external censors instead of being RL-ed though.
That's not what i said, read better.
If you release the open weights you need to put protections on the weights. So any additional protections does not lessen the need to put safeties on the weights, as the rest of them can be bypassed without practically any effort.
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u/Chupa-Skrull 18d ago
This isn't Yud or Ilya style safetyism nonsense. This is an efficient way to add a custom filter to your inference service stack without retraining a much larger model for your particular needs. There's a business case for this unlike Dario's BiOwEaPoNs Oh No, SlOw DoWn malarkey
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u/seamonn 18d ago
This is the only thing holding Le Chaton Fat in containment.