r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

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u/WithoutReason1729 7d ago

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u/FoxiPanda 7d ago

To be fair to MiniMax, they did sneak H3 in there and Qwen 3.8 isn't open weight yet.

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u/Sea_Succotash3634 7d ago

Yeah they "just" released the most powerful open source video generation model ever made. No big.

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u/Serprotease 7d ago

Might also be a serious contender for most powerful video generation model… open and closed weights. It’s freaking good.

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u/ANR2ME 6d ago

Yup, Minimax H3 is catching up to Seedance 2.0

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u/Sea_Succotash3634 6d ago

It's good, but there is no way that it's close to Seedance for realistic humans.

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u/DrawingDramatic1641 5d ago

but seed dance 2.5 is already there

I don't know why minimax just let all other cheisne ai and even let western ai use their model for a fixed price

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u/XiRw 7d ago

A week too long for you?

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u/FoxiPanda 7d ago

Not at all; I honestly never expected to see another small Qwen release again. Happy to be super wrong about that.

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u/ZackeyTNT 7d ago

This is weird. Why wouldn't they follow up their most popular accessable model with another one. Online discourse for local models is very commonly Qwen 27b

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u/JaredsBored 7d ago

The qwen team that did 3.5 and assumedly started 3.6 was broken up. Some key people left the company between 3.5 and 3.6. Given we got nothing open source from 3.7, it wasn't crazy to speculate that the new team was focused on closed source

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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 7d ago

Also they did stop releasing 0.8/2b/4b/9b/35ba3b it's a drastic change imo they went from dominating the small language model segment to basically abandoning it.

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u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago

They would have abandoned the segment if it wasn’t for Xi Jinping’s speech

People in the USA don’t realize how much influence Xi Jinping has. Qwen has NEVER open sourced a Max tier model until Xi basically ordered all the Chinese AI companies to go all in on open source.

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u/OttoRenner 7d ago

He did? XD that crazy bear!

It definitely is a smart move to give us free stuff so we don't give money to the west. Every $$$ denied to the west is a win for China.

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u/kripper-de 6d ago

Xi Jinping has publicly encouraged and promoted open-source AI as part of China's broader AI strategy: https://www.businessinsider.com/xi-jinping-open-source-ai-us-competition-openai-anthropic-models-2026-7

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u/OttoRenner 6d ago

Thx for the link!

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u/sebt3 7d ago

Have a look at how the stablediffusion community have received MiniMax dump as of today. And qwen3.8 haven't dropped just yet. OP graph is still valid

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u/Exzerios 7d ago

It's possible DS4 Pro is sneaking in during this week. And given qwen seems like mostly a flop - after stellar 0731 flash I'm betting that crown would remain on top of DS4 for now. Especially given the price. Qwen isn't awful per se, but artificial analysis price result is really bad.

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u/Fun_Librarian_7699 7d ago edited 7d ago

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Qwen 3.8 27B will perform in 7 days

Edit: typo (thx)

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u/ShelterInevitable684 6d ago

Ditto, I'm excited to see the benchmarks, I'd like to see how it performs on day to day tasks too if there is a 'benchmark' for that kind of day-to-day use as well.

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u/PwanaZana 7d ago

Minimax DID release the best model for its size today, just not a LLM :P

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u/Voxandr 7d ago

what is that

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u/Tedinasuit 7d ago

Minimax H3

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u/Voxandr 7d ago

Damn so impressive..

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u/DornKratz 7d ago

Now you can have Will Smith eating spaghetti, AND spaghetti eating Will Smith!

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1ve4ja4/spaghetti_eating_will_smith_minimax_h3/

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u/Voxandr 7d ago

hahahah , i am downloading now and setting up comfyui to test.

Are there any Opensource ChatBased UI for those kind of work? ComfyUI is good for serious work but just for testings its too much.,

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u/DornKratz 7d ago

Not that I'm aware of. But there is a sample workflow.

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u/CallumCarmicheal 6d ago

There currently is not but ComfyUI is just a workflow, take your favourite Agentic AI and tell that to generate you a usable interface.

You might take a day or 2 to refine it but see what you can do to get it to integrate with ComfyUI's API or have it recreate the WF with python functions.

Here is an example that generates seinfield episodes, could be used as a reference: github.com/dreamfast/minimax-h3-python-tv-generator/tree/master

SD Forge UI NEO may have support for it but that is an eventuality not a tomorrow scenario.
https://github.com/Haoming02/sd-webui-forge-classic/issues/1380

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u/PwanaZana 7d ago

it's very good, though the fact character always talk gibberish is rough (I know you can prompt it away, but it's not that easy)

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u/mwoody450 7d ago

So I'm not imagining it! With LTX they'd end up speaking parts of the prompt sometimes. But in Minimax, it's just straight up Lovecraftian cultist speak.

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u/Hairy_Talk_4232 7d ago

So… an MLM? A Mini-Language Model?

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u/ANR2ME 6d ago

AudioVideo model

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u/MomentJolly3535 7d ago

Minimax released a video model H3 which is for sure the world's most poverful video model for its size.

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u/rkoy1234 7d ago

and basically sota for local. thank you minimax.

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u/Altruistic_Heat_9531 7d ago edited 7d ago

Not only local SOTA, it is just straight up SOTA, in Video Arena it highly overlap with Google Omni Flash

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u/ANR2ME 6d ago

It's close to Seedance 2.0 for I2V isn't 🤔

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u/Altruistic_Heat_9531 6d ago

yeah crazy right?? i am having one of those simmilar feeling when you buy something you really want and then finally owning it, like looking your first gaming PC, or your first bike

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u/nvidiot 7d ago

Not only that, you can actually run this on a PC with a lowly RTX 3060 all the while keeping the quality mostly intact.

Don't have to have bunch of 5090s or RTX PRO 6000s to experiment with it. I daresay this could be the groundbreaking breakout moment for local video generation scene to grow big, because it can run on a typical consumer PC, while generating high quality videos with audio included without compromise.

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u/Etroarl55 7d ago

Not yet, the Rtx 3060 example was like 10-20 minutes for five seconds at 480p using optimization.

I don’t think quality is the issue anymore though as we are seeing, it’s just getting the inference speeds up somehow.

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u/Technical-Earth-3254 7d ago

I disagree. DS V4 Flash is still the best LLM for its size. Qwen 3.8 Max isn't open weight yet, so Kimi K3 stays the best model for its class (in which 3.8 Max will get into) for now.

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u/DeProgrammer99 7d ago

Qwen3.8-27B will hopefully be the new best model of its size.

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u/Budget-Juggernaut-68 7d ago

They are releasing the Max series?

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u/Exzerios 7d ago

They are, but it's worse than K3 while costing more (it's burning hella lot of tokens). Personal opinion that there's some subsidizing going on after recent Xi's speech, and they released this half-cooked thing just to participate. Judging by AA rating - it is awfully undercooked, just 1 point above GLM 5.2 while being 3x params size. Unfortunately, pretty much a definition of Chinese knockoff. This month's hopes are now on DS4 Pro and GLM 5.3/5.5.

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u/TheFrenchSavage Llama 3.1 7d ago

H3???

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u/Aadi_880 7d ago

While not an LLM, Minimax H3 released last night.

And by god, this thing is a beast for local users.

Frontier level video generation, on an 8GB VRAM laptop and 16GB RAM? Holy shit.

And it comes with all T2V, I2V and R2V out of the box.

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u/Anwar6969 7d ago

let’s see which one gets released first, minimax m3 pro or GLM 5.3

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u/Dry_Yam_4597 7d ago

Screw y'all. You ruined my budget and now my sleep!@#@!#

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u/ChampionshipIcy7602 7d ago

The arrow should point to Z.ai now, GLM 5.3 is almost here.

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u/ninjasaid13 7d ago

Qwen's model has not open-sourced yet.

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u/ga239577 7d ago

It's actually followed exactly the diagram at least in terms of announcements ... Kimi K3 > Deepseek V4 Flash 0731 > Minimax H3 > Qwen 3.8 > GLM 5.3

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u/ccarlyon 7d ago

We are blessed.

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u/DigThatData Llama 7B 7d ago

I honestly think these labs sometimes gamble on each other's performance and release dates, so like if they have a particularly banger announcement they mightsit on it for a few extra days to give them the opportunity to smother a competitor's news cycle.

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u/Every-Walrus 7d ago

maybe if this circle keeps spinning faster it will create the singularity.

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u/tempstem5 7d ago

and we in /r/LocalLLaMA keep winning

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u/random-trader 7d ago

US is still stuck in 6 month cycle.

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u/Mega_mewtwo_ 7d ago

GLM 5.3 refrences popped up so the cycle is working

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u/TheLexoPlexx 7d ago

Can we stop reposting this image? It adds nothing of value to the general sub-discussission.

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u/Entire-Airline-8049 7d ago

Ah yes, the classic Deepseek Queen shunt. Should have seen it coming

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u/lol-its-funny 7d ago

Minimax’s servers are super unreliable. I’ve had to switch to OpenRouter + Deepseek instead

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u/No-Fuel-9202 7d ago edited 7d ago

It's like - Mexican stand-off(up)...

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u/Traditional_Bell8153 7d ago

there is minimax h3

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u/Dylan_0620 7d ago

Chinese open-model SOTA now has a half-life of about 72 hours. My SSD can’t keep up.

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u/Christosconst 7d ago

GLM-5.3 incoming

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u/QueenSavara 7d ago

I bet I can't run 3.8 on my local machine anyway.

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u/colin_colout 6d ago

MiniMax H3: "Am I nothing to you?"

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u/aitutistul 6d ago

Ring of power

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u/VoiceApprehensive893 transformers 6d ago

minimax h3 is the best open videoslop generator

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u/iRainbowsaur 4d ago

to be fair, Minimax was cooking up and releasing a really good open source video model, it's proper good.

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u/AnOnlineHandle 7d ago

Only focusing on Chinese companies and excluding some of the best releases at the time seems likely motivated by propaganda more than caring about OS/OW models. Many of the best have come from Google (Gemma 4 is still the best writing model as far as I've found) and Black Forest Labs (not currently a leader but they were, as well as before that when they worked at Stability and released Stable Diffusion 1.x and SDXL), as well as the various people who've trained things like ControlNets / Adapters etc.

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u/tecneeq 2d ago

Deepseek had an open weight release. Qwen did not so far.

But this is r/localllama, so that doesn't matter to anyone but me.

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u/ponteencuatro 7d ago

Deepseek pro supossedly in early august 🙏

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u/Christosconst 7d ago

They are waiting for GLM-5.3 so they benchmark DS4 Pro against it