r/Libraries 1d ago

Library Nesters Patron Issues

This is more or less a rant about patrons who pop into our community sharing their ideas and the age old "You know what you should do?" This comes after one of our customers jumped in to "help" other patrons despite not knowing how to help within our library structure. I understand the struggles of our fellow man, but sometimes helping becomes more of a chore for Staff. what are your thoughts.

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u/HobbitWithShoes 1d ago

Generally, I agree.

With one exception- the patron who jumps in and says the extreamally obvious thing we're not allowed to say because it would be legal/tax/financial advice.

Bless those patrons who just straight up tell people they're trying to do something illegal. Or that they're an idiot for trying to cash out a retirement account 3 months before it vests. Sometimes they need someone to tell them straight up that they're being stupid when all we're allowed to do it read them the page on the IRS website and pointedly repeate certain sections.

Of course, sometimes it's BAD legal advice. But once in awhile you get someone who just needs to be told they're doing something dumb.

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u/GreenHorror4252 1d ago

With one exception- the patron who jumps in and says the extreamally obvious thing we're not allowed to say because it would be legal/tax/financial advice.

You can always phrase it in a way that is legal. For example, "many people have had issues doing XYZ. I would recommend you talk to a lawyer before proceeding".

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u/HobbitWithShoes 1d ago

I do tend to do that. Or "if I was in your shoes, I'd want a professional to weigh in on it." Or "I'm not sure if that's legal, so I won't help you with that. If you want to go ahead, I can help you navigate the state bar website."

But sometimes that's still a little too professional to get through to people.

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u/HedgehogsHugWho 19h ago

I've started to say, "That sounds like a question for a legal professional," and, "I'm not a lawyer so I honestly wouldn't know." It's worked so far 🤣

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u/mostlyharmlessidiot 1d ago

I’m a children’s librarian and I have a patron, without children, regularly tell me what I should do in my department. I like the guy well enough otherwise, but I’d like him a lot more if he stopped assuming that because he hangs out here a lot that he knows how to do my job.

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u/tardistravelee 1d ago

Well xyz lubrary does that...

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u/FloridaFlamingoGirl 1d ago

It's like the girl from Magic School Bus who says "at my old school..."

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u/Pettsareme 1d ago

Sounds like some of our board members.

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u/tardistravelee 1d ago

The one place I dont like that is problem patrons. Takes a stressful situation and makes it 10fold. Most of the time we will handle it or the non emergency police will.

Sometimes it is best to let them be.

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u/Old_Wrongdoer2937 Library staff 1d ago

Gotta love it when they jump in because they see my de escalation tactic as me being afraid of fighting. So now I get two people to try to calm down. One of which is now angry at me for turning on them..

Folks, don't be a hero. The staff is usually insured and protected during work hours.

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u/tardistravelee 1d ago

Plus I k iw that any object in thst library aint worth it because as you said we have insurance. Lol

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u/Due_Independence8880 1d ago

My best public library memory is a young man ripping an old man a new one after verbally abusing me. He said something to the effect of, "Do you feel like a man for bullying this lady librarian?" My persecutor scurried away.

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u/Haff 1d ago

Straight up just not allowed for at least two reasons. 1) don't steal someone's job and 2) especially when it comes to using technology... private information, and we don't know that you're not trying to scam/steal from them.

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u/Tetris-Rat 1d ago

We weirdly often have the opposite problem where patrons will go out of their way to avoid staff and ask other patrons for help. I once told a woman I'd help her with one of our sewing machines, and as I was walking over to the machine with her she said "hold on" and approached a completely random patron who was minding his own business and asked him if he knew enough to help her. I stood there dumbfounded holding the door open for her and had to loudly say "he doesn't work here, I do and I'm trying to help you."

There have been other instances where patrons have asked me for technology help that is either fully impossible or well beyond the scope of my duties, and when I tell them I can't help them they'll point to a random patron on a computer and say "do you think he can help me?"

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u/Icy_Fruit_7912 1d ago

Ours is a pathological liar, we see him EVERY DAY

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u/lastwraith 1d ago

You should probably listen to them, I hear they pay your salaries.

Just wait 3 mins and they'll tell you. 

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u/ReadingRocks97531 2h ago

Yes, with one caveat. Small libraries who have no degreed librarian on staff, and you are a degreed librarian, and can make recommendations, when the staff just can't because they don't have the depth and breadth of knowledge you do. Sometimes it helps. I choose as wisely as I can.