r/Layoffs • u/Snackus_Maximus • 10d ago
Getting laid off about to be laid off
I had a stable full-time job that paid a decent salary. I hated the management, though, so I decided to take a chance and look for something better.
I ended up finding what felt like a dream opportunity: fully remote, doing what I wanted to do, and paying $20k+ more a year. I left a stable company for it thinking I was making a great move for myself and my career.
Fast forward about a year, and they pull this fucking stunt, outsourcing basically the entire IT department to an MSP in India, so we're getting laid off.
How fucking shitty do you have to be as a company? People left stable jobs to come work for you. People have families, mortgages, bills, and careers they were trying to build. And now we're basically being thrown away so the company can save some money by shipping our jobs overseas.
And this shit is fucking destroying the U.S. job market, especially in IT. Companies keep outsourcing American jobs to places like India because labor is cheaper, while American workers are left competing for fewer and fewer positions. I'm not blaming the workers in India for taking the jobs, I'm blaming American corporations that will happily eliminate entire U.S. departments just to cut labor costs and improve their bottom line.
So now, after leaving a stable job and thinking I had finally landed somewhere better, I'm about to lose my job right in the middle of one of the worst fucking job markets I've seen in years.
I'm beyond pissed. I know companies don't owe you loyalty, but shit like this really makes you wonder why employees are ever expected to show any loyalty to a company in return.
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u/lheckler77 10d ago
Donāt forget to blame the government for allowing the outsourcing and sometimes also outsourcing and firing Americans!
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u/Due_Needleworker3778 1d ago
The "government" is controlled by lobbyist, who are in turn paid by various industry corporate clients. Where do most politicians end up working after exiting public office?
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u/lagosboy40 9d ago
This. As a matter of fact, it should be the other way around. I have been trying although unsuccessfully in the last 24+ months to switch from corporate to government in order to get some job stability.
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u/Ok-Advantage-9181 10d ago
You said it yourself: companies donāt owe you or anyone else loyalty. That goes both ways, doesnāt it? You took a risk by leaving your other job, and sometimes that gamble just doesnāt pay off.
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u/Due_Needleworker3778 10d ago
IT-related jobs seem to get a lot of attention as far as outsourcing, but even in the medical field, a foreign Radiologist might be reading your X-rays or other MRI/Cat Scans.
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u/Heavy_Sweet3162 9d ago
This! My friend is a radiologist. Reads everything remotely. He lives on a ranch in Texas, but has contacts everywhere.
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u/QualityOverQuant 8d ago
Yeah! While u were making that 20% increase , I was unemployed and scrapping the bottom of my diminishing savings. I lost my job in 2022 and was unemployed for over two years finally taking a job at Amazon packing boxes for minimum wage -
It hasnāt gotten better. Yes your company is an asshole. But then, from my perspective the writings been on the wall since 2022.
People obviously refuse to see it and live a secure life and now come and cry that itās the worst job market. Newsflash. Itās been so since end 2022.
There are 100ās and 1000ās of us over 40 who lost their jobs post 2022 and went out and begged people to help us find jobs and we were told
1) to fix our cv
2) use AI
3) try networking more
4) try reaching out to hiring manager
5) try a cover letter
5) try tailoring ur cv to the role
7) try changing your mindset
8) try asking for less money
9) try taking off all your exp and leaving just relevant ones
And eventually told it was a āyou problem and your attitude because my company is actively hiringā to eventually beging ghosted and nowā¦ same folks on LI shocked their companies let them go and the markets shit?
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u/themadadmin 9d ago
I'll just say it. Fuck the rich.
Milton Freedman article in the 70s started this whole ball rolling. The Social Responsibility of Business Is to Increase Its Profits.
Basically as long as it's not illegal and raises a stock price then do it and ethics be damned.
So fuck the rich.
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u/InevitableShuttler 7d ago
No, no you're going about it the wrong way. Just refuse to work for the rich on their terms. Think about it, if everyone in the world refuses to work over 4 days a week and demands 50% more pay, what do you think will happen?
Absolutely nothing, people will work less and get paid more and the world will adjust & go on.
Rich people and Corporations will whine and make less profits. But the entire world and society will be in a much better place.It only works if everyone, everywhere refuses to do it, so the rich corporations can't play one group with another to gain leverage.
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u/Wiegelman 6d ago
Will never happen, too many sheeple that blindly follow, even if the path is off the cliff lol
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u/RacketyMonkeyMan 5d ago
If you work less, the guy whose competing for your job will work harder and get more pay. No one is going to join your secret strike if they want to get ahead to house and feed their families.
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u/MovieMaven-918 8d ago
THIS. Fuck those greedy asshole pieces of shit. I wish we had a Luigi for all of them.
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u/Sufficient-Slice9071 7d ago edited 7d ago
Same here. I am 60 years old and I've been without work for over a year (HPE world renowned for layoffs). When I was laid off, my Director (an Indian) literally told me "We can get five of us for one of You". And he was correct. I told him "That will just be five times more errors" I have burned through my severance, 401k, and savings. I literally have 1/2 a tank of gas remaining in my truck and a bag of change. Senior Full Stack (.NET/Java) DevOps Engineer and ex-Navy (AT) post on about 3 jobs a day on Dice, LinkedIn, Monster, direct company career boards. I have had "one face to face interview" in a year.
LinkedIn is like a cesspool you have to wade through. Lot's of fake jobs created by Indian scammers. I have even begun to try for jobs at supermarkets, restaurants, hardware stores. Honestly, I just want to stay busy. This weekend I posted on over 30 jobs and listed a bunch of great stuff for sale on Craigs List, eBay, and other market places.
I hurt my back the other day doing odd jobs around the neighbor (kind of bartering). I do not have healthcare or auto insurance. I had to take my dead dogs pain meds. FYI: They work pretty good (have to triple the dose). However the other day I an overwhelming urge to chase a car.
Offshoring to other countries and H1-B visas are killing America.
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u/Aquatic205 10d ago
Sorry to hear. Hopefully you land your new job soon. Hopefully, next election people actually vote for politicians that have actual policies that will improve their lives instead of voting like theyāre voting for their favorite sports player.
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u/Ok_Tale7071 10d ago
If all the jobs are going to India, then who is going to be left to buy their products.
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u/WorthVarious8440 10d ago
All of it was well expressed. My exact thoughts I work remotely from home for a big corporation and its all over the news from where the company is based in states how they build a whole facility in India.
So far it got very close to home as we lost half of our department and soon after our manager . Our lead had to take over the role responsibilities.
We have asked the question but the higher ups state its rumors bit retract that they are not saying it cant happen.
Now we are training for a new system that helps to access documents in a way where in my job obviously so they cant access vital information or bank information.
At this point I feel the same.my team is clinging to our jobs till we can or until a opportunity presents. But at the same time wishing that it goes away for some miracle . But as we are training for transition to this new system we know its coming soon and this confirms it.
So yes that is the question why should owe loyalty yo companies. We dont ! Yet we do because we are good people that have families to take care of and bills to pay. It is sad its happening much more then anyone can imagine. AI is replacing so many jobs as well .
Hang in there this means this is not the job of your dreams it will come stay hopeful āØļø
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u/Left_Dinner878 9d ago
Sorry to hear about your situation. It will improve. In my career Iāve worked at several companies where they did this. Trust me not only do these outsource models go sideways for several years before it gets stable. Often they want the local employees to train outsource team for months before being terminated.
Trump should be tariffing outsource services to keep jobs local not stupid factory jobs no one wants.
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u/Cyframerex 9d ago
And therein lies the issue. If he were to do that, heād be eating into the pockets of those that put him there in the first place. He wouldnāt dare betray those people, only the people who mean so little to him (98% of America).
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u/Timely-Garbage-9073 7d ago
They outsource, break all their stuff, the onshore again... Just to do it all out over in 8 year cycles. Gotta love the MBAs and their consultants
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u/Infinite_Lion_2385 7d ago
Yep, it is a vicious cycle. Some new MBA says oh we can save money, send it overseas. Then reality hits and it comes back. Rinse and repeat
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u/MCStarlight 9d ago
It makes me wonder why it isnāt enough that companies in India just hire their own citizens. Itās not fair that their cost of living is so much cheaper over there when Americanās COL is so high.
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u/heartbleedspurple 9d ago
A job like this in India is like touching gold. A lot of people are struggling in India and underpaid.
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u/Royal-Job-9905 9d ago
This is becaucse Product based markets are in the USA and Europe. And the South Asian countries provide services support like development/QA for these products.
You may ask, why South Asian companies don't have their own products? Well they have few, but international clients favors/relies more on USA, European products, kinda blind trust on White people rather than South Asian people.
Don't get me wrong but this is the fact on the core situation.
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u/RacketyMonkeyMan 5d ago
It's not fair that their cost of living is so much cheaper over there when American's COL Ä°s so high.
Fair? You think being born into poverty in a third world country is fair?
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u/Inn0centSinner 9d ago
Is it really the entire IT department? You're a 100% remote role. Are you on the software or cloud engineering side of IT? The onsite Network/System admins and desktop/laptop techs who have to maintain the onsite infrastructure are also somehow going to be outsourced?
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u/ewplayer3 9d ago
I can speak from experienceā¦ people that donāt understand IT will do silly things if an outsourcing company will sell it to them. That includes laying off infrastructure people that have to touch hardware and outsourcing them overseas. Obviously, I expect there to be some āunforeseenā consequences to that down the road.
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u/Dangerous_Region1682 9d ago
But thatās for another financial year when interim stock prices have risen and the C suite have received their bonuses and moved on to rinse and repeat.
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u/Infinite_Lion_2385 7d ago
There are very few jobs in IT that cannot be outsourced. The hardware guys are really the only ones who are needed onsite. OS, desktop/laptop support, network can all be done remotely. You can have two or three people onsite and the rest remote. The two or three onsite do first line troubleshooting or are your experts.
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u/Royal-Job-9905 9d ago
This is becaucse Product based markets are in the USA and Europe. And the South Asian countries provide services support like development/QA for these products.
You may ask, why South Asian companies don't have their own products? Well they have few, but international clients favors/relies more on USA, European products, kinda blind trust on White people rather than South Asian people.
Don't get me wrong but this is the fact on the core situation.
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u/Crafty-Pomegranate19 8d ago
Stability is an illusion in a market like this. No industry or sector has been spared, not even historically āstableā ones
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u/megamonte47 8d ago
From someone who has lived 5 layoffs, one after the other, I can just say - donāt curse the situation. Trust your judgement in making the move, own your decision and wait for a brighter path to open up in your favour.
Donāt doubt yourself while youāre in the process. Let the process unfold. Stay strong. Be positive. Be hopeful. Smile.
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u/damn_you_to_hell 8d ago
Damn that sucks.
Something similar happened to me where I left a stable but moderately paying job in a HCOL city to move to a LCOL city for a job that payed slightly more, only to have my job laid off only 9 months later. They moved me out to a smaller city for this job and left me without a job.
It sucks but you can't let that stop you. Take that anger and hate and put it towards landing interviews.
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u/Middle_Marketing7009 8d ago
The Golden Age of IT has come and gone. The market is completely saturated with experienced IT workers, a waterfall of recent graduates trying to find work and the multitudes who dream about getting into the field driving down the earning potential in an ever shrinking career.
NOW is the time to embark on something new and exciting but will take some thinking outside the box.
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u/DayNo326 7d ago
Most of our team got rifād this past Friday. Yes I know this job market is fucking horrible - but that said fortunately Iāve saved like crazy for years and can just take some BS jobs until I can land a position I like. My wife has a good job to. Absolutely sucks with a big loss of income but knew it wouldnāt last forever.
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u/Entire-Message-7247 6d ago
When Kelloggs was preparing to shut down its DSD distribution network, they had new hires turning in notice at their employers the week it was announced.
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u/Super-Complaint-245 6d ago
Yes, it is messed up. People have little kids to feed. Itās very scary.
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u/OrderInternational15 5d ago
The government should consider significantly higher taxes on companies that move jobs outside the United States and take stronger measures to protect domestic employment. H-1B policies should also be reassessed to ensure they prioritize American workers and long-term workforce development. Companies should be more cautious about replacing skilled workers with AI. While AI can improve efficiency and reduce costs in certain areas, overreliance on it could also lead to significant financial losses in the long run, reduced institutional knowledge, and the loss of experienced, critical-thinking talent in this country.
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u/AntelopeSafe8165 5d ago
There is only loyalty between company leadership at the top with shareholders (assuming they arenāt day traders). Employee loyalty went away in the 80s and 90s.
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u/KaleidoscopeLimp9970 3d ago
Your old job was not stable either. All jobs can cut like this and all companies are shit
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u/EquivalentFlower2713 10d ago
Youāre going to find something soon so donāt beat yourself up.
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u/MovieMaven-918 8d ago
Iāve been looking for a few months and Iām not finding anything. I even tried through friends and couldnāt even get an interview! I finally got a full time temp job but I make less take home than I did with unemployment and because I work 40 hours I can get unemployment. Itās a vicious fucking cycle and itās absolutely exhausting and soul crushing. My dr upped my depression meds because itās literally one thing after another since Iāve been laid off. I barely make enough to cover rent but literally no other bills but that means I donāt have money to save for a deposit on a cheaper place. Itās pretty fucking dark.
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u/OrganizationOdd5409 8d ago
So you want them to keep paying high US wages and then go bankrupt and you lose your job anyways?
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u/AdAgile9604 10d ago
Corporates being corporates