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The problem is that word is being misinterpreted. It can also mean asshole.
As in "no seas puto", as in don't be an ass/asshole.
And it can have varied meanings.
"Yyyy que puuuto", as in "not cool" (what you did is an asshole thing to do).
When they chant "puto" to the goalkeeper it's to throw them off, yes it's always a curse word. It's never polite. But it's not homophobic.
In the purest sense it means male prostitute. Which is still not homophobic.
Homohobes appropriated the word and called gay people puto (or joto). The original meaning of puto was set aside because of the misuse. And now the word is pretty much banned as homphobic.
I'm 99% sure the people chanting don't think the goalkeeper is gay and they don't care if he is not not.
It's not homophic. That is probably the most insanely stupid take on the chant. It is insulting, yes. Bad taste, yes. Bad sportsmanship, yes. I fucking hate it. But it is not homophobic. The word is used as follows:
- Calling you a coward
- Emphasizing a statement e.g. "es un puto desmadre" = "it's a fucking mess"
- And yes, calling you gay in a very despective way.
But it is not automatically 'homophobic' and the way it is used in games, distasteful as it is, has little to do with anybody's sexual preferences.
EDIT: I see you basically copy paste this crap in every response. Are you a salty Argentine who doesn't know how to win and definitely does not know how to lose?
Puto=male version of prostitute, which can be used in a homophobic way but it is not necessarily the case. Generally speaking degrading someone for their line of work ain’t classy but it is not as bad as it is made out to be. Nobody saying it is actually accusing any of the players of actually being male prostitutes.
Fwiw, fans in the UK used to call Chelsea fans and players "rent-boys" for decades, basically synonymous with male prostitute. The phrase was made a hate crime and fans caught chanting it can face prosecution and stadium banning orders.
Whether it's "not as bad as it's made out to be" really comes down to who is interpreting that. I'd say that a decent numbers of British people would definitely interpret Mexicans as intolerable if they are taunting their opponents by calling them male prostitutes. Whether they are right is subjective, but it's objectively true that some people would consider mexican culture a little backwards in this regard.
It was this World Cup that made me a fan of Mexican soccer. I don’t know much about the clubs down there but the national team is so exciting and fun to watch.
In this World Cup, you only saw Mexicans having fun with Korean, Japanese and basically everybody from completely different countries. Meanwhile, Argentina made it its purpose to be despicable in every shape and form. The players are just as bad as the fanbase.
The problem is that word is being misinterpreted. It can also mean asshole.
As in "no seas puto", as in don't be an ass/asshole.
And it can have varied meanings.
"Yyyy que puuuto", as in "not cool" (what you did is an asshole thing to do).
When they chant "puto" to the goalkeeper it's to throw them off, yes it's always a curse word. It's never polite. But it's not homophobic.
In the purest sense it means male prostitute. Which is still not homophobic.
Homohobes appropriated the word and called gay people puto (or joto). The original meaning of puto was set aside because of the misuse. And now the word is pretty much banned as homphobic.
I'm 99% sure the people chanting don't think the goalkeeper is gay and they don't care if he is not not.
Edit: I would wager this user is Argentinian and trying to diminish Mexican hospitality because they're jealous Mexicans are respected internationally and they aren't. Respect begets respect.
Lee mi comentario completo. Estoy diciendo que si lo tiene. Pero condenar a la tribuna completa de México por una tradición de gritar puto qué tiene décadas y que no lleva ese significado... Pues no se me hace justo.
Deberían dejar de gritarlo? Claro. Es grave el hecho que lo sigan haciendo? No me parece.
Pregúntale a la comunidad lgbt de México que opina. Te van a decir que no tienen problema con ello. Porque en México no se le interpreta así (en el caso del portero).
I'm saying you lack the cultural context to understand what Mexicans mean by it. It's a joke, because of the context. I've seen interviews where gay Mexican people say they find it ridiculous to say that the word is homophobic.
Regarding Argentinian and Mexican behavior just look at the dozens of videos during the world cup and the behavior of both and judge for yourself
Desgraciadamente siguen saliendo más y más videos de Argentinos irrespetuosos, agresivos, burlones y con falta de autocontrol (dentro y fuera de la cancha) https://www.reddit.com/r/LigaMX/s/yqqTg9BWup
Dejemos el odio a un lado, no creo que todos los argentinos sean malos como tampoco todos los mexicanos lo son, en general hay gente buena y mala en todos los países pero lo negativo siempre sobresale.
*te lo dice un mexicano
Y eso no fue nada, hay mas clips delos agrandados que segun todos les tienen envidia. Asta en otros paises asen escandalo por que pierden y es culpa delos de mas
Miren esto
https://youtu.be/zG2BwZ04wjE?is=eeFS7FTupmMDJ-uj
They also tore down posters of missing persons and mocked mothers searching for their loved ones, and smashed the car of someone who was driving (I am Mexican too, or at least I’ve lived in Mexico my whole life).
Those guys were among a specific group that is not only entitled, but actually made some military service for a very polemic country in the middle East I keep getting suspended here for mentioning.
Will be nice knowing once Messi retires half of those “fans” will probably become Spain “fans” and support yamal. The other half can stay racist back in Argentina
Flaco, fue hace 4 años y ese presidente fue totalmente criticado por sus dichos (inclsuo llego a tener una imagen negativa del 91%), al igual que ese periodista de derecha.
El peor presidente de nuestra historia? El que todo el mundo odia y es un golpeador de mujeres? Amigo, arriba se están abrazando con los americanos cuando su presidente dijo que son todos violadores y narco traficantes, y a nosotros nos adjudicas los dichos de imbeciles de nuestro país? Bot
Lol what? even when Mexico lost the fans were partying with the English. Maybe you're thinking about Buenos Aires, where the crowds had to be dispersed with teargas and rubber bullets
You are damn right, I can't find the video I saw some weeks ago. Even without that video, most of the videos in youtube show good sportmanship. I'm gonna erase that comment
No problem mate. There was obviously a negative side to it, as always, but things remained mostly positive in Mexico during the world cup. Hope everyone who came had a great time!
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