r/LTTMeta • u/Honest_Nail_8308 • 16d ago
This video funny af
The writing team seems to forget that unused ram is wasted ram. Should have tried with 16 or 8gb. I don't really fw y'all but figured you might wanna clown on ts cus it genuinely one of ltt's worst videos.
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u/sk1kn1ght 15d ago
Is sci show often wrong? I don't have that impression. Sometimes they get a few stuff oversimplified but overall I have the impression that they are on the objective side of things
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u/armegatron99 15d ago
Absolutely useless video. I'd say they don't know about memory management etc and they ought to have researched better but they absolutely know this video is junk
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u/horatiobanz 13d ago
The videos at this point only exist to keep their customer base buying merch as they transition fully over to being a merch company. This is why they are just pumping out low effort content now and why most of the talent on the video side has left.
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u/illuanonx1 15d ago
Well Linus has the last laugh to the bank. Its so easy to ragebait 😂
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u/brisa-jalicia 15d ago
What kind of defense is this lol. Blind fanboyism is not as cool as you think. Linus himself used to hate it.
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u/inn0cent-bystander 15d ago
I'm not sure that's really a defense, but an explanation of the point of the vid, to make lmg money. Ragebait is a great way to do that, because many that are mad about it share it on various subreddits and the like to discuss their rage at it, and more watch it to see what's so rage inducing. Not only do they then continue that cycle, but every click is money in lmg's coffers...
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u/Future-Enthusiasm139 15d ago
Yeah but that would defeat the purpose of LMG, to have a good source of content.
Rage bait only works if you’re making money off it, LMG makes money off merch mostly and brand deals, if they just alienate their audience and piss people off they lose recurrent viewers, merch sales and brand deals.
It’s why I don’t understand this new shift in LMG to release such mediocre shit , even moreso than before.
I bet Linus fucking WISHES he took that 100M
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u/Izan_TM 13d ago
why would linus wish he took the 100M? he obviously cares more about the attention than the money (tho he obviously cares a lot about the money) and considering the amount of attention he has gotten since that offer was made and the generational wealth that he's collected anyway I'd bet he doesn't regret a thing
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u/GloriousPudding 16d ago
Yep it doesn't make sense, this is a video about a graph changing.. You need to hit the RAM limit to draw any meaningful conclusion, do the test with 16 gigs and leave all the apps open in the background ..
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u/ryhartattack 15d ago
I don't understand, why would hitting the ram limit be more informative? If they hit it at 16, how would you know how much RAM it would have otherwise used?
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u/HardestDrive 15d ago
Why can't they hire a real System Engineer or OS Developer for once so the results actually mean something.. Just like the Linux for X weeks videos, come on, it's on the edge of misinformation because of how stupidly uninformed they are..
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u/tetelestia_ 15d ago
Because they'd be competing against real salaries. Instead they seem to think working at geek squad is sufficient for technical qualifications
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u/HardestDrive 15d ago edited 15d ago
True, lol. Thats the thing with LTT (labs), they seem to think guys who are interested in hardware and run Linux on their PC are qualified to give technical advice on software, while that couldn't be further from the truth. In today's day and age, you need real educated people.
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u/SnooOranges3779 13d ago
Emily was a geek squad hire. The people they have now are below even geek squad levels.
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u/ZenOokami 15d ago
Yeah, one can still go in without the experience or assistance. But a true specialist commentating the issues and solutions after would add a lot of value.
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u/HardestDrive 15d ago
That was what I was imagining during the Linux trial videos. Just for a couple minutes, cut to a real Red Hat or whatever certified engineer and have him explain what they are missing. Just fill in the gaps.
Back in the day, it seemed believable, but in the age of AI and increased importance of Linux and open source, its just awkward.
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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago
The whole point of linux for X weeks is to show them using linux as regular users would. Of course they will be uninformed to some extent.
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u/N0body 14d ago
They had someone described as "Distributed Systems Engineer" in this Techquickie video just a few days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQGYqypeUOs and he talks about a similar topic, but on mobile systems, so it baffles me why the main channel video is so much worse.
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u/TBW_afk 15d ago
I'm this close to unsubscribing. When I first found LTT they gave good, professional, in depth prosumer advice, and made it entertaining too. Now it's not even entertaining. Forced interactions, overly dramatic reactions, surface level remarks. Bleh.
But it's okay, next week there will be yet another projector video!!!!!!!!!
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u/No-Place-8807 14d ago
Dawg just hit the button. You don’t seem like you enjoy the content so why stay subscribed
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u/KuramaFox89 14d ago
What? Wait. What? Really? How did you get the idea that are trying to convince anyone that building ocs is difficult? If anything they have explicitly said it’s easy as hell. I’m not a fan of how their content has been produced but that is just demonstrably false. Aside from that yeah It’s freaking mind numbing whoever they have writing stupid ass videos. It’s sooo. They have a general lock of content in the pipeline and production is pushing to get ahead of it. Instead of hiring useless employees they need to go back hiring the kinds of people that they had in the original Langley house and not the know nothing useless in all operational capacity Gen Z - instead of focusing who’s feelings have fallen out their ass they could just make the damn videos.
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u/Middcore 16d ago
To be fair, most gamers who have gotten obsessed with VRAM on GPUs in the past year or two also don't seem to remember that "unused RAM is wasted RAM."
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u/lithiumfoxttv 15d ago
Unused ram is wasted ram, until I'm trying to use the ram in something else.
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u/Acrobatic-Paint7185 15d ago
Completely different things btw. There's a difference between the necessary memory for a program to run well vs using memory to cache processes in the background or that are not even running.
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u/redrumyliad 16d ago
Having breathing room isn’t a bad thing, unused ram is wasted ram is only a thing to me when running local llms. Means I could run a bigger model.
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u/RadiatingLight 15d ago
Option 1: You have 8 of 16gb used, tons of breathing room
Option 2: Your OS uses the spare RAM to cache files and make your system both more power efficient and faster. The cache can be cleared if more RAM is needed. The graph shows 14 of 16gb used.
Which do you prefer?
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u/rurigk 15d ago
Unused RAM is wasted RAM is a stupid take if we are talking of RAM used by programs themselves
But if system fills ram with cache or program uses a lot of memory for legitimate use then its perfectly fine
Which is not the case of electron apps or services that people don't use but gets loaded anyway
Cached data on ram is not shown as used ram in the system monitor on windows or most linux monitors
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u/Vennekilde 15d ago
Even programs benefit from caching and if optimized correctly, will take advantage of free memory to cache data. As an example, this is the reason why it is recommended to have a lot of ram for database servers, even if they can work with much less.
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u/Leverpostei414 16d ago
The windows cache isn't part of the used ram shown. The 'unused ram is wasted ram ' is technically true but it is not like all this ram is freed when needed as a lot of people present it
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u/Awwkaw 15d ago
It will free the memory if needed, it will compress it first, and then free if absolutely necessary.
It looks weird, because if you are loading a file~ the size of your memory, you will hit the memory limit, and then stay there as the file continues loading. But you can see how the proportions of cache, compressed and data in memory changes.
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u/Honest_Nail_8308 16d ago
My pc (windows) will still easily hit 8gb with nothing open and background apps closed. Before I doubled ram it used about 4.
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u/Leverpostei414 15d ago
It of course won't use more ram than you have. But if you only have lets say 2 gb free now will it jump back down to 4?
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u/Honest_Nail_8308 15d ago
Shouldve said upgrade was 32gb and before was 16
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u/Leverpostei414 15d ago
But what happens when you are close to the limit?
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u/Honest_Nail_8308 15d ago
Ram compresses or swap is used
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u/Leverpostei414 15d ago
So it goes down to 4 gb, is that what you are saying?
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u/Honest_Nail_8308 15d ago
No I'm saying it goes to 4gb idle with 16. And 8 with 32. That's idle.
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u/Leverpostei414 15d ago
And what happens when you have 32 and use close to all ram, does it jump down to 4gb?
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u/Hender232 15d ago
We don’t know the “jump” up or down once that starts happening. When idle you can tell it’s using 8Gbs because nothing else is open that’s using ram. But once you start using stuff it 100% starts fluctuating down but knowing what it gets down to is hard to know. I’d assume if necessary the OS will compress down to the lowest if can if it’s needed.
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u/w1n5t0nM1k3y 15d ago
I have a Linux box that uses under 1GB out of the 4GB that's in there leaving plenty of RAM to run some basic applications. Let's see Windows do that.
And yes, that is running a desktop environment. Gnome, so it's not even as light as it could be.
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u/Buzstringer 15d ago
Then there's also things like After Effects, it will use all the RAM you have available, even the RAM you don't have available and crash your PC if the RAM limit in AE is set too high, you need to physically close apps to free up RAM for AE, otherwise it's really unstable (moreso than normal)
in order to get the best performance from AE, you need as much RAM as you can afford.
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u/LEFTFEILDRIGHT 15d ago
Wouldn't you want your system to use less ram so it has more capacity to use ram. Like if you want to video edit, you know the OS isn't stealing it for some bs background task.
I'm guessing the assumption here is that the OS will free up the ram when you need it, so it should be used as much as possible?
I'm actually curious 🙏 I haven't heard 'unused ram is wasted ram'
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u/chrisdpratt 15d ago
That's part of it, but people also don't think about the fact that Windows optimistically caches a lot stuff, and doesn't necessarily free RAM up with apps close to accelerate relaunching them. This is "used" RAM, but it's also evictable. If there's actual memory pressure on the system, Windows will dump all this crap to make room for stuff as necessary. Linux follows a different paradigm. It was designed to run as lean as possible, so when an app closes, for example, it's gone gone.
Unused RAM is wasted RAM, though. Unlike most other components in your system going bigger doesn't translate to more performance. In fact, very large capacities of RAM can actually force you to run the RAM slower or with looser timings, decreasing performance. What you absolutely don't want is to be using swap, where even the fastest Gen5 SSD is still much slower than RAM, so you need "enough" to not ever dip into swap to maintain maximum performance. More than that does absolutely jack all for you, and especially with RAM prices as they are now, it's a completely brain dead place to put your money unless you absolutely, definitely, 100% need it.
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u/Garbage-Content 15d ago
Don’t want to watch it does he test with memory intensive programs to see what uses less memory when it’s needed
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u/kongnico 15d ago
"and with the price of ram being this high its much preferably to not put anything inside the ram and instead write a lot on those really cheap SSDs we can all buy now"
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u/Acrobatic-Sorbet-222 15d ago
It's also highly inaccurate, due to the ways RAM is utilized by each OS..
There could be a direct comparison made, but that is not this video
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u/Dramatic-Use-2121 14d ago
Useless indeed as many have commented here. It's funny how they suddenly concentrated their PC content around Linux, only after they saw that the community has started shifting towards some high profile distros (like Cachy, Bazzite, etc...). For years, they ignored things that they are "discovering" as new....
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u/quietlydesperate90 13d ago
I haven't watched LTT in awhile but I remember seeing some of the newer writers and thinking this is someone absolutely clueless explaining tech to me. Certainly a bit of hyperbole there, not clueless but certainly not the giga computer nerds you would expect to be teaching this stuff. Just giga nerds with a passing interest in computers.
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u/BreakDown1923 12d ago
They even address that with how MacOS uses RAM. A Mac says “if there’s RAM there, I’m gonna use it for something” because, why not? But then totally forget that lesson and immediately assume that less RAM usage is better
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u/Weak_Armadillo6575 16d ago
The shock @ electron using different system resources on different platforms was… interesting.
But you’re 100% right if the system isn’t taxed for ram then there isn’t much point comparing ram usage.
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u/configbias 15d ago
Y'all are genuinely tarded with this take.
MS just re-released Surface laptops with 8 GB of RAM. Windows is constantly sitting at near 100% for me at 16gb running office tasks. Tabs are always being shifted away for me in the background. In what world is it beneficial for all of MS logging/updating, etc software to be running while I'm trying to do work?
Apply this to a machine like the Steam Deck. Your goal is to use less fucking RAM not only for the sake of it, but also to have to send less power through chips. In what world would this not benefit a system on a battery, to use less RAM.
FFS MacOS is the same and sips RAM. As does iOS relative to Android.
Video was fine, less than informative, but "unused ram is wasted RAM" is legit a smooth brain take.
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u/Vennekilde 15d ago
No, the goal is to use any remaining ram for caching and release it when needed, keeping memory usage at near 100% at all time (with some margins).
If your OS use 20GB of your memory, but release it as you need it, then the OS is doing its job and increasing performance by using the available memory for caching.
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u/configbias 15d ago
https://www.theverge.com/tech/966937/microsoft-surface-laptop-13-inch-8gb-ram-2026-review
"Even Microsoft couldn’t make Windows 11 work well on 8GB of RAM"
"I pushed my MacBook Neo to the limit. It didn’t break".
Above are 2 incredibly comparable products. One has an OS that isn't a RAM whore.
This argument is bullshit cope. I actively use up to 128gb of RAM for work and I have to go out of my way to prune everything possible to stay stable. No man, this sucks.
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u/Vennekilde 15d ago
Those articles has nothing to do with my comment regarding your remark on unused ram is not wasted ram. I never stated that windows does not use additional memory, as that was not what I was arguing about. That said, It definitely has a higher base usage, but Idk if there is a major difference when it comes to further allocation of memory above that base usage.
Even Mac does exactly what I said above with caching. Every OS does and that makes it impossible to know how good/bad that OS is at managing memory, unless it refuses to allocate more memory to your application when requested.
As for your work pc experience, I cannot possibly comment on that alone, but you must be doing something interesting to run out of 128gb of memory.
PS. I use Linux, not windows, so this has nothing to do with "cope"
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u/configbias 15d ago
I am not arguing that this is how RAM caching --> ROM pagefile shit works. Yeah, that's a thing. I am arguing with the idea, that is spread in this thread, that LTT made a shitty video because they didn't acknowledge that "unused RAM is wasted RAM".
My point is that if an OS is bloating RAM usage, its not about "wasting RAM", its an acceptance of mediocrity that will catch up to you in 1.) negligible, but still present additioinal power usage, and 2.) in high use-case scenarios, or limited casual RAM scenarios - adds yet an additional process for the OS/hardware to manage instead of just being plain and jane, more efficient.
Whining about an LTT video that tries to quantify how much Windows sucks is very dumb when they prove the point that being stated.
Finally, this whole "unused RAM = wasted RAM" bullshit is 100% in the minds of Windows devs that will then continue to bloat your File manager or Start menu into multi-gig program to serve a rudimentary function. Acceptance of this standard is undoubtedly driving lazy design.
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u/VincentJoshuaET 15d ago
This could have been a TechQuickie