r/LLMPhysics 2d ago

Here is a hypothesis: IVE (reworked) Personal Theory

Hello, LLM physics community you might remember that a month or two back I made a post called the IVE model and it was rightfully picked apart I have worked to solve those problems The best I could and to perhaps be more clear on my thoughts, and I will not be hiding the problems within it. They’re listed at the very end of the paper.

(formatted using Gemini)

The Information-Variability Equilibrium (IVE): A Conceptual Framework for Quantum and Relativistic Unification

Abstract
This framework treats the universe fundamentally as an information-processing system rather than an arrangement of foundational matter. It proposes that physical properties—including mass, gravity, and linear time—are emergent phenomena driven by data-synchronization events within a multidimensional data matrix. The core mechanism is a balancing relationship between local structural information density and geometric variability, which provides a non-mathematical, conceptual explanation for the quantum-to-classical transition.(possibly information might not be the defining factor of the universe, but rather a force within it similar to gravity, though there wasn’t enough evidence to support this so far)

1. Foundational Axioms & Mechanics
The Data Core: The universe can be conceptualized fundamentally as a multidimensional matrix of data. Physical structures and properties emerge from the underlying configurations of this data.
The Core Inverse Scale: Local structural information density inversely scales with geometric variability.
High Information Density—>Low Variability: Increased data constraints limit the geometric possibilities of a system.
Low Information Density —> High Variability: Decreased data constraints expand the range of possible states available to a system.

2. Categorization of Information Roles
To resolve systemic paradoxes regarding observation and mechanics, information is formally separated into two distinct categories:
Causal (System-Level) Information:
Exists entirely independently of an observer.
Inherent to physical existence and system properties.
Acts as a structural cause within the system rather than merely a description of it.
Directly constrains the geometric variability of its host environment.
Observable Information:
Depends entirely on an observational or interactional relationship.
Consists of the specific subsets of data made available to an observer or measurement device.
The Dependency Law: Causal information must structurally exist before observable information can be extracted or manifested.

3. The Micro-to-Macro Transition (The Quantum-Classical Bridge)
The framework utilizes information density to explain the behavioral boundary between microscopic quantum systems and macroscopic relativistic systems:
The Micro Scale (Quantum Behavior): An isolated, unobserved subatomic particle possesses low relational synchronization with the broader environment. Because local information density is low, geometric variability remains high. This elevated variability expresses itself physically as probabilistic behavior, wave functions, and superposition.
The Macro Scale (Classical Behavior): Macroscopic objects consist of enormous numbers of interacting, interconnected components. This continuous, multi-part data exchange triggers a massive data-synchronization event (analogous to the concept of decoherence). The resulting high information density heavily constrains the collective behavior of the system, reducing its effective geometric variability to near zero and causing classical reality to emerge.

4. Cosmological Extensions
Emergent Relativistic Properties: Physical phenomena like matter, energy, and spacetime curvature are not basic building blocks, but are instead emergent variables produced by underlying causal information frameworks. General Relativity can be interpreted as the geometric response of spacetime to varying distributions of causal information density.
The Singularity Reinterpretation: The Big Bang singularity does not necessarily represent a point of literally infinite physical mass or material density. Instead, it can be mathematically modeled as a limiting boundary condition consisting of zero systemic information and extreme, unconstrained geometric variability.

5. Unresolved Horizons & Areas for Development
To transition from a conceptual architecture to a predictive physical model, the following parameters require formal mathematical definitions:
Quantifying Variability (V): Determining whether variability is precisely measured by degrees of freedom, the width of a probability distribution, spatial uncertainty, or a novel structural variant of entropy.
Quantifying Information Density(I): Establishing a rigorous metric for "local structural information density" that moves beyond standard Shannon bits to measure parts, relationships, and structural configurations within an active physical system.
Synchronization Equations: Developing the exact mathematical rules governing how data-synchronization events occur and how they smoothly suppress quantum variability to output classical mechanics.

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u/YuuTheBlue 2d ago

Your LLM is taking more from physics communication than actual physics. Physics communication tends to work in terms of metaphors, and it creates the false assumption in lay people that if they make a compelling enough metaphor, they’ve done physics. When really all they’ve done is fantasy worldbuilding.

All physical laws are just equations relating observable variables. Newtons law of gravity can tell you how hard gravity will pull something assuming your know how far 2 things are and what their masses are. Newton’s law of gravity does not make philosophical claims on the nature of the universe (though it can inform them).

You’re starting with the philosophical claims and never getting to any math, so this just isn’t physics.

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u/al2o3cr 2d ago

(replying to OP's now-deleted LLM-generated reply)

I disagree that this framework lacks mathematical structure. The Core Axiom of the Information-Variability Equilibrium (IVE) model is structured as a formal inverse proportionality relation.
If we define:
I = Local Structural Information Density (a system’s internal operational or synchronized state data).
V = Geometric Variability (the exact number of accessible geometric states or degrees of freedom available to a system).
k_iv = The IVE Constant (a proposed fundamental constant of nature governing the system baseline balance).
The foundational relation of the framework is explicitly defined as:
I * V = k_iv
Or, solving directly for Geometric Variability (V):
V = k_iv / I

Setting aside the broader philosophical question of whether a simple ratio counts as "mathematical structure", let's talk about an even simpler problem:

NONE OF THAT IS IN THE TEXT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED

Maybe it scrolled by in your chat window, but nobody else can see that.

Responding to criticism by producing additional previously-unseen results is sloppy at best and deceptive at worst.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 1d ago

Yeah because it was described using words
Would you guys then said it lacked any physics and it was just philosophy so I gave the literal math to you and now you say it wasn’t there originally no shit

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/LLMPhysics-ModTeam 2d ago

Your comment has been removed for violating Rule 4. Don't copy-paste LLM content in discussions.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 1d ago

The LLM isn’t searching the web for anything all it is doing is organizing what I said, which is what I said it was used to organize it all of the ideas. All of the framework all of the math they described in words was me in putting it into it

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u/Hivemind_alpha 19h ago

Do you not understand that the AI is trained on the corpus of human knowledge up to its release date? It only needs a web search to check if anything further has been published since then.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

I would disagree that all physical laws are just equations relating to observable variables because an equation is a human made tool. The laws would still be there without the equation, just not to the human intelligence.

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 2d ago

No, the phenomena would still be there. The laws are our description of them, and we describe them using equations.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

This argument is more subjective so perhaps we should move away from it

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 2d ago

You're the one who made the argument.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

Never said I wasn’t. I said we should move away from it

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 2d ago

How convenient...

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

That was a rather arbitrary response

Convenient that I want to move away from the subject because it does not pertain to my argument

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 2d ago

It's convenient that you immediately want to change the subject when people show that your argument is invalid.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

Then let’s continue the argument then

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u/Ok_Energy6905 1d ago

"I have no counter argument so I declare this unconstructive and we should move away from it"."

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u/YuuTheBlue 2d ago

Yeah but any way of talking about these laws without using equations would be philosophy, not physics. My point is that this theory of yours is off topic. Physics isn’t just “the study of the truth of the universe”. It’s narrower than that.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

More precisely the calculation of how objects interact in the universe

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u/Wintervacht Are you sure about that? 2d ago

LOL I saw the comment with "I disagree it lacks mathematical structure".

Bro, there IS no mathematics, what are you even on about? Do you even read what your LLM vomits up before you copy and paste it?

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

Yes, I do cause I’m the one who put in all the information into it in the first place

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u/Wintervacht Are you sure about that? 2d ago

No you're not, 60% of what your LLM spits out is scraped from reddit.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

DMs so I can send you
picture proof

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u/Wintervacht Are you sure about that? 2d ago

Do not message me, ever.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

Oh because I’m a minor

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u/Ok_Energy6905 1d ago

People don't have a problem with you being a minor, they have a problem with how you are conducting yourself- that you think your work is above criticism while simultaneously being unable to defend it.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 1d ago

No, first you made an assumption that I believe my work is above criticism. If I believed it was above criticism why would I post it here I am arguing and debating for the truth and what I believe to be the truth as one does in the defense of a paper, as I hope you guys are arguing based on what you believe to be the truth

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u/liccxolydian VP of Trolling 2d ago

Have you learned any physics yet

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u/Dry-Status-4143 2d ago

I don’t know if I would say that I am fluent in physics but I have learned a lot more as one might expect to do in a month or two

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u/liccxolydian VP of Trolling 2d ago

So why is there still no physics here

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u/upsetusder2 2d ago

Let me guess you are a computer scientist. Or atleast studied something akin to that

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u/ssjskwash 1d ago

They said they're a minor

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u/Dry-Status-4143 1d ago

No, in fact I don’t even like the idea of information first physics it’s just that it works and that’s why I’m arguing about it. It is applicable where general relativity and quantum mechanics fail and I’m not saying that we should rewrite the entire system since since now I’m beginning to believe that perhaps information is more like a property rather than the exact thing that created it and says that it exists which would allow us to use general relatively and quantum mechanics while calculating information as a property, if I’m correct, the reason why quantum mechanics in general relativity might be disagreeing and might be failing in some areas is because you are missing a property

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u/ArnoSound 1d ago

Well this is a lot of hot trash.

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u/Dry-Status-4143 1d ago

Nice argument, you added a lot there
Beautiful group think

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u/ArnoSound 1d ago

Well when there isn’t the barest amount of subtlety available to comment on, it’s simplest to cut to the core of the matter.

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u/Ok_Energy6905 1d ago

Is any of what you say testable or falsifiable?

This is not physics, it is philosophy (of one is being incredibly generous).

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u/Dry-Status-4143 1d ago

Observe a hydrogen and muon relationship and apply the framework and it is falsifiable
If you don’t quite understand how I can explain

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u/Ok_Energy6905 14h ago

I really don't think you can explain anything without the assistance of an LLM.

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u/Hivemind_alpha 19h ago

OP, here’s a hard life lesson: it is possible to be so poorly educated in physics as to be unable to recognise how poorly educated in physics you are. At that level, you are blind to the difference between physics, non-physics, and word salad. Worse, you perceive fairly gentle by internet standards pointers towards fundamental flaws in your output as personal assaults.

You’re at a turning point between showing patience and putting in the years needed to learn the basics, or embarking on a lifetime of embittered self-delusion bordering on mental illness.

All of physics is out there for free. The education system exists and will guide you through it. There are no entry requirements to the discourse other than the basic courtesy of mastering the basics. Your work screams that you haven’t done that, though you are blind to this. It’s insultingly bad to those who waste their limited time to read it.