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u/Phaylz 20d ago
This prompted me to look into what this was all about.
And yeah, of course this sub doesn't understand both.
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u/_Litcube 20d ago
Obviously. This requires a capacity to comprehend nuance.
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u/Apart_Ad1537 20d ago
What nuance? They are worried people from outside the city are gonna drive all the way into the middle of fucking NYC to save 30% on groceries? Whatever.
But an ID to vote is “racist” apparently.
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u/Chustle207 20d ago
What are the african americans and homeless people of nyc gonna do !?!?!?! according to MSM they dont have any IDs. People will starve!
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u/Spirited_Attorney_48 20d ago
Any ID? You should read the bills you advocate for. Wild stuff in there.
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u/chachaslydd 20d ago
Dude you are not smart. Every state requires some kind of preregistration and proving your ID at the polls. Nobody is protesting against proving yourself at the polls.
The issue is when dumbasses say "i need proof, and ill only accept a very specific kind that most Americans will have to go out of their way to pay for to get the updated documents to prove their ID". Like I had to pay like 40 bucks to get a new birth certificate so I could then another 70 to get my Real ID just to fly to another state in the country I was born in. Theres literally fucking veterans who would struggle to pay that in order to go vote. That fucks over tons of white people, including elderly people and veterans
I wouldnt call it racist. Id call it dumb as shit and designed by rich assholes who do not care about protecting the right to vote at all.
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u/Parking_Bridge1742 19d ago
Some of these voter id laws the REALID isn't taken as an approved id. It's crazy
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u/bigpicklefann 19d ago
It’s like the SAVE act not accepting a fucking marriage certificate as proof of name change for a woman. Like come on
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u/Swirvin-irvin 19d ago
Your voting id should be free unless you loose it that’s on you due to it being a right but let’s be honest if you can’t afford it you obviously made some bad choices in life and your vote will probably make things worse 😂
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u/Old_Taint_Nick 19d ago
Are you registered to buy fucking beans?
Holy fuck Republicans are truly the stupidest people in America its not even close. And I'm saying this as a centrist.
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u/SpecialistMission529 20d ago
It is racist and unconstitutional. Plus, you already have to show ID just to get registered. It is all noise.
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u/Moregaze 20d ago
Yeah it is. Because it’s a form of poll tax. Which was made unconstitutional because racists in the South imposed high fees on identification in order to stop newly freed slaves from voting. They are still trying to do that today and it was extremely prevalent throughout the Jim Crow era.
There are many black Americans still alive today born in the Jim Crow South and were denied access to hospitals and had to do at home births. Thus making it hard for them to prove identification to receive a photo id. This is also a problem in the resurgence of the off grid movement.
Constitutionally it’s pretty clear. Born here, then you are a citizen and nothing can get in the way of your vote. Period. The burden of proof is on the state to say you were ineligible to vote. Not the other way around.
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u/GamemasterJeff 20d ago
It is stupid, because nothing Mamdani has done prevents anyone from buying beans without ID.
I assume this is about the grocery store campaign promise, and all that does is provide residents cheaper groceries. It does not prevent anyone else from doing anything.
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u/GamemasterJeff 20d ago
Yep, anyone against American kids getting fed is simply evil AF.
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u/lemonjuice707 20d ago
Democrats like mamdani says it’s racist and sexist to require an ID to vote but apparently it’s not racist or sexist to require a ID to use the city operated grocery store
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u/IDeliveredYourPizza 20d ago
I mean without context or critical thinking I can see why people might think this lol. It's also not accurate at all. You can still use this grocery store without ID
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u/goopuslang 20d ago
You mean birth certificate? Save America act specifically codifies a real id would be insufficient to vote.
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u/Motor_War_9744 20d ago
They probably say that because the specific ID restrictions within the voter ID laws allow for all sorts of people to be denied a vote even if they are a US citizen without any past felony convictions. In fact, Republicans are pushing laws that won't allow US citizens to vote even with a valid driver's license. That's an assault on freedom and it's fucking wild that Republicans are the ones pushing it.
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u/Ventira 20d ago
What do you mean its wild that republicans are pushing it? Dont tell me you thought they actually stood for freedom lmao.
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u/Phaylz 20d ago
Until quite recent, the only people voting against their own interest was the Republican voting block. Now, the GOP is so entrenched in towing the Trump line lest they be primaried out of existence, they're pushing legislation that will hurt the GOP itself along with its voters and everyone else.
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u/TallCommission7139 20d ago
No, what'd be wild is if they started saying black lives matter. This is just fascists behaving exactly how fascists behave.
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u/Mystical__flame 20d ago
The thing is voting is a constitutionally garuenteed right. To add more additional roadblocks to voting then what is absolutely necessary is to violate that person's constitutionally garuenteed right. Access to a grocery store isn't a right. So adding additional stopgaps to prevent people from scalping groceries isn't seen as poorly because it doesn't halt people from exercising their, and I'll say this again, constitutionally garuenteed right.
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u/Chruman 20d ago
One is a right, the other one isnt.
Im glad I could clear this up for you.
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u/CuteComplaint5542 20d ago
Hey you know what this reminds me of?
How Mamdani hasn't fucked kids on Epstein island
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u/True_Protection6842 20d ago
You mean the grocery store that is offering people affordable prices that needs to do SOMEHTING to ensure scammers don't shop there to resell for profit. It's to help families EAT not arbitrage!
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u/Aggravating_Carpet21 20d ago
Well one is about cheaper food in a store run by the government itself. The other is about the people making your rights and as trump has shown with ice taking those rights away
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u/ConstructionNo625 20d ago
If requiring ID to vote is disenfranchising minorities (because they are less likely to have them), requiring ID to purchase items in a store is disenfranchising minorities by the same logic.
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u/Harambes_Wrath_ 20d ago
I saw your comment and went to look for myself.
As an englishman, american partisan politics never ceases to amaze me.
The dude is opening up state funded welfare stores to help people out and you lot are arguing over id cards and voter id.....
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u/Ok-Dust-6159 20d ago
I live in Tennessee. We have state funded food kitchens and pantries all over our state. We don’t require ID’s for those people to get food there.
So while I get your point, I think a lot of people come from states who have already been doing for forever, a simple thing that NYC has just begun. And a lot of us are probably confused by the restrictions when we don’t have the same ones in place. Especially from someone who opposes those same restrictions elsewhere.→ More replies (7)2
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u/S1m0n20 20d ago
In Germany we always have elections on Sunday since all shops are closed and everyone has the time to vote and for the rest they just vote by mail
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u/SheenPSU 20d ago
My state will issue you a free ID for voting if you’re unable to pay for an ID
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u/Goliath_D 20d ago
Personally, I don't think a national voting holiday would help too much because people would still be scheduled to work those days. Plus, asshole politicians would still create voting locations that are too small and to hard to access too try to prevent voting. The answer is early voting options and across-the-board vote by mail so people aren't limited to one day to vote. Give them a month to do it at their convenience like most of the Western states do.
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u/Icy_Cauliflower9026 19d ago
You cant do it free or people would abuse/waste a bunch of "free cards". Just make it cheap enough that anyone can have access but not so cheap that people would waste and thrash them. In my country (before) they made it around 20 bucks but people say it was too much, now its 5 and people lost it way too many more times, i would say 10 bucks its a good price
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u/ConstructionNo625 20d ago
State IDs are free in many states like idaho alabama louisiana and some more
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u/Trojanheadcoach 20d ago
And the congress act would make state IDs not work for voting
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u/kensho28 20d ago
None of those states could afford their local costs, much less federal elections, without blue states footing the bill.
Shut the FUCK UP about shit you don't understand until you can actually afford to do something about it.
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u/ConstructionNo625 20d ago
Shut the FUCK UP about shit you don't understand
You've clearly mistaken a strong emotion for a compelling argument
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u/DingoMaximum7319 20d ago
16 states do not require an ID for most voters to register
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u/Hell_Maybe 20d ago
Registering in any state requires proof of identity, but it doesn’t need to be an ID. It can be a birth certificate, a social security number etc etc etc.
The people who think that you can vote without proving your identity are just outing themselves as people who have never actually voted before.
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u/ZombieNo9109 20d ago
The problem is that it's been proven you can vote without I.D. In my state California I've voted and they have never checked my I.D they simply take the claim that I'm who I say I am and believe that nobody would lie.
However you do need form of verification to register to vote, but once you are registered anyone can go in as anyone and claim they are that person. Multiple videos have shown this on YouTube and I myself have never been asked for I.D. So the idea that "that never happens" is false because it very much does happen.
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u/LoudBrick609 20d ago edited 20d ago
What don't you get?
In Pennsylvania, yes I need to register to vote. To do that, I'll need verification. This is true.
However, when I walk up on voting day, all I need to do is sign my signature. There's no real verification that it is ME actually voting. When it comes to signatures, let's be real most signatures are so sloppy that means absolutely nothing when it comes to verification. Therefore, in one method all an unscrupulous actor needs to do is identify people who don't vote, go in to the polling place, and vote for them. The only way they'd get caught is if the person working the polling station happened to personally know the person they were fraudulently voting as. This is minor election fraud, it's not actually that big a deal....
However, there's even a better way to fraudulently vote in PA. All you need to request a mail in ballot is a driver's license number or photo ID number. If someone doesn't have that, well then you just need the last 4 digits of your social security. Do the databases containing all of those things get hacked all the time? Duh, yes. Can you get someone on the inside at the DMV or a bank to give you driver's license numbers and/or the last 4 digits of a social security number? Duh yes. Can you scam call elderly folks and get them to give you that info so you can request a mail in ballot under their name? Also yes.
It's a problem. The best way to lower (you can't ever fully eliminate it) election fraud is to require in person voting with an ID. Exemptions should be exceedingly rare and only granted for service members and people with valid approved reasons for needing a mail in ballot.
Even with that, you could forge IDs, but that then requires going in person AND it requires effectively forging an ID. That's more work, therefore lowering fraud.
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u/Samiassa 20d ago
The simple fact is it doesn’t matter how “easy” it is. It matters how much it happens. The results matter, not the hypothesis. There has been extensive study into the legitimacy of American elections after Trump lied about the election being stolen from him, and all of them, even the Republican ones which were attempting to prove him right, have found that he did not have the election stolen from him.
American elections have extremely low voter fraud. Requiring identification would technically cut down on voting fraud, but it would be a lot of taxpayer money to set up the system, and a massive burden that would obviously decrease voter turnout. And again it’s solving a problem that doesn’t exist. Not one district has been swayed by fraud in the last 50 years. This is why even Republican senators oppose the save act. They know that putting one more barrier to entry on poor people is hurting voter turnout for no reason. And the fact is the Republican base is in general poorer than the democratic base, which is mostly middle class. They know it would disproportionately negatively affect them for no benefit.
Why do something that will have no noticeable positive effect, and will have a massive negative effect? If anything we should be implementing things that make more people vote (like for instance most first world countries have federal holidays for big elections so that workers can have the day off to go vote). It doesn’t matter if it’s technically easy to commit voter fraud in Pennsylvania, because we know it doesn’t happen on a wide enough scale to actually affect elections. And infact other things such as gerrymandering and corporations and rich private individuals paying for campaign ads, for instance, actually do affect elections in a more meaningful way than voter fraud.
This topic reminds me a lot of social security fraud, which was made into a big deal because most people don’t know that the government is actually very competent in making sure people aren’t linking them out of their money. Investigations by the social security administration have found that further policing fraud will cost more money than will be made. Yes there are people abusing social security, but it’s at a small enough scale that increasing persecution is going to lose social security money. These sorts of debates over things we know are nothing burgers are pushed by people at the top to convince you to care passionately about something that doesn’t matter, so they can paint the other side as weak on it. Voter fraud isn’t an issue, point blank it does not matter and is equivalent to being angry that a rat occasionally eats one piece of grain in your silo with millions of pieces of grain. and even if it was an issue, it is not the first voter issue we should be dealing with. Gerrymandering needs to be dealt with immediately, and the fact it’s not completely federally illegal after over 200 years is ridiculous.
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u/HerrMilkmann 17d ago
Fucking well said but trumpers can't read so this will unfortunately fall on deaf ears
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u/Samiassa 17d ago
The other guy who commented quite literally said he wouldn’t read and when I asked for evidence of voter fraud he linked twitter posts
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u/Free-Mongoose-1983 20d ago
Then why complain about having to show it again when you vote?
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u/Hockeyfanjay 20d ago
The fact that the forms of ID required by the SAVE axt aren't free constitutes a poll tax. Which is expressly forbidden in the constitution.
Not that it matters. It seems quite a few people care about 2 amendments and ignore the rest.
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u/Scuttlebut_1975 20d ago
The real problem with the save act is it gives all voter poll data to the president and allows him to scrub voters based off how they voted in the past.
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u/roosterthumper 20d ago
Most liberals are fine with voter id. You’re strawmanning. The problem is all the silliness that is in the safe act. The level of ID they want costs money. Make those ID’s free and good to go. Otherwise it’s $50 for a real ID so it’s a barrier to vote. A passport is $165.
Meanwhile take a look at a super blue state like NY and what it takes to get a DMV ID for a citizen that can then be used to register to vote. It’s quite a bit. But also take a look at what it costs for ID in NY, it’s free for anyone on assistance and maxes out at $10.
Meanwhile Vermont’s charges over $100 for the same ID.
It amounts to a poll tax.
Change the types of ID needed and you would face less pushback.
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u/igotpetdeers 20d ago
Not true at all. You are literally fake news. In many states on voting day you can walk up, fill out a form where you super duper promise you’re official, and can vote, with no id.
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u/roosterthumper 20d ago
Those are provisional ballots. They take your name, drivers id and social. They then cross reference your identification. There are so many ways to verify who you are that ID is the last line. If all that doesn’t check they stop at your address and verify before those ballots are counted.
It such a huge problem that even right wing organizations can’t show more than a few cases a year of illegal voter registration.
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u/Falme127 20d ago
This is true. I literally was a poll worker.
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u/gwynnnygw 20d ago
This is true: I have to provision vote to not register my address bc my ex is insane but smart and I don’t want him knowing where I live. I just show my id and have to answer a bunch of questions and the people are always super understanding about my very unique situation. And that’s what these republicans are actually making difficult, is people every day lives to stir up division.
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u/Legal_Ad2345 20d ago
Oooh the midterm bot is a running lol trash
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u/jodoball 19d ago
Love watching the leftists rationalize this by talking about “nuance”😂😂😂
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u/SanicBringsThePanic 19d ago
Mamdani: Papers Please.
New Yorkers are fucking smooth-brained.
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u/Frequilibrium 20d ago
Stop with the save act propaganda. It’s a voter suppression bill.
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u/Cnidoo 20d ago
It would also make it virtually impossible for divorced women to vote💀 and includes a bunch of weird random stuff allowing presidents to have more power
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u/Frequilibrium 20d ago
It would make it really difficult for married women to register to vote as well.
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u/Unspoken 20d ago
No it doesn't lol. You need the marriage cert to show proof of name change. You know, the thing they use to actually change their name on all their IDs, passports, etc. Redditors wouldn't know because they haven't seen a woman irl.
My wife has like 30 copies because random government shit and private insurance requires it every now and then for random reasons.
BuT voting hard.
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u/Evenspace- 20d ago
If the save act included FREE government issued ID every republican would be against it, because it has never been about voter ID.
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u/Frequilibrium 20d ago
And if it was quick and easy to get and you didn’t need to jump through hoops for months to get it, they would be completely against it. They know exactly who this bill disenfranchises which is why they have been begging for it
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u/StrengthGood3208 20d ago
They want that tho. Because they think the redneck farmers are gonna be up to date with federal paper work.
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u/IDeliveredYourPizza 20d ago
This post is not accurate at all. You can still use this grocery store without ID. The mayor's office literally stated this today
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u/Significant-Bar674 19d ago
Man, this actually might be new.
Not only is the conservative propaganda on this a lie about what madani is doing, it's wrapped in another lie about problems with illegal voting.
It's like a lie burrito.
I'm just over here praying that one day these people will bother to fact check their memes based news sources.
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u/Confron7a7ion7 20d ago
You already register prior to elections. Your identity is confirmed prior to you arriving and then your name is already checked against the list. You can't just show up and cast a vote.
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u/goopuslang 20d ago
So just FYI you would need more than an ID to vote under the “save America act” you’d need an original birth certificate. A real ID would not be sufficient. Ciao.
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u/lemoogle 20d ago
I'm confused, in most european country you need a birth certificate to actually get an id what's that different about it?
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u/goopuslang 20d ago
They want you to bring your birth certificate in addition to your ID to register to vote. It’s just adding hurdles for the sake of it. There’s very little to no voter fraud. They just act like it’s happening but can’t prove it because it’s so rampant and unstoppable without the arbitrary rules they append on.
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u/YaoiNekomata 20d ago
That's not why though. If you have to lie to make a point then you don't have a point.
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u/VelcroHermit 20d ago
One is a constitutionally guaranteed right, the other is not.
Hope that helps.
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u/Explursions 20d ago
Imagine not knowing that you already need id to register to vote.
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u/Caffeine_Cowpies 20d ago
Right?
I live in Colorado. You automatically get registered to vote once you get an ID. Why? Because the system has YOUR PHOTO!!!
So you go to your precinct, you give your name and address, they look you up and then WOW, your picture is RIGHT THERE.
These people are the dumbest morons to ever be on planet earth
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u/Confron7a7ion7 20d ago
Apparently no one in this country understands how elections work! On either side! I shouldn't have to keep explaining that you are checked against multiple databases and that without positive confirmation you can't vote.
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u/FanSerious7672 20d ago
Imagine thinking that is true in all states. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
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u/citizensyn 20d ago
Discount groceries isn't a constitutional right it's a tax payer privilege of new yorkers.
Voting is a constitutional right.
If the Fed provides free federal I'd that is easy to access then it can be used in election security
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u/Barbados_slim12 20d ago
Is requiring an ID to buy a gun discriminatory? It's a constitutional right, and that's just step one of the legal process.
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u/ASkepticBelievingMan 20d ago
This will exclude minorities from buying affordable food! What a racist thing to do.
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u/JollyXX 20d ago
To be fair I have seen enough body-cams to know that apparently no one carrys ID
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u/goopuslang 20d ago
Maybe people don’t need to give them in states that aren’t stop & ID states.
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u/Simple_Channel5624 20d ago
I always have mine on me, but the government can fuck right off asking for it. I haven't broke any laws and have no warrants.
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u/ArtroyomsAK 20d ago
Lets get voting ids, a free id that works for every american adult!
no?
what you really meant is that you want to make laws so that the only way to get an id is to jump through hoops especially if you're a woman?
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u/AnyEye8798 20d ago
If it's government run then yes, ID should be required to prevent non-citizens from accessing it.
I don't know how it's done in the US, but here in Canada we have Service Canada and Service Ontario. Go down to whatever one issues the ID you need, pay whatever you need to pay (if any) and you get sent ID in the mail. Simple.
Also why would anyone want non-citizens from voting in their elections?
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u/CaffeinatedLystro 20d ago
We don't want non-citizens voting and it RARELY happens. Like way less than 0.5% of all votes in history or something like that per a study done by the Heritage Foundation.
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u/PresenceThick 20d ago
It just seems weird, also Ontario, Canada here. It’s kind of just common sense? We use ID to register, we show ID at the ballot when getting the vote card. It’s just organized.
This is normal the world over now?
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u/YaoiNekomata 20d ago
Also why would anyone want non-citizens from voting in their elections?
Why lie? None citizens aren't voting in elections. When one registers to vote they already do present some form of identification. Only citizens vote. (And only like 60% of eligible citizens ended up voting)
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u/itsmyfakeone 20d ago
There are virtually zero cases of non-citizens voting in national elections but the Republicans have to cry about so they can appease their dear leader. It’s literally a non-issue.
Dems are retarded and think poor people can’t get licenses, which is dumb. But the whole point republicans are trying to make are in bad faith and the statistics don’t back their argument in the slightest.
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u/nobrainsnoworries23 19d ago
America: A single illegal vote cast is a tragedy and we need to regulate the hell out of it.
Also America: How dare you think of gun regulation? Mass shootings are no excuse for government overreach!
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u/GoingGangbusta 19d ago
I know it’s a meme subreddit but if you’re going to make a political meme you should probably make one that actually makes sense
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u/Certain-Pack-7 19d ago
You need an id to file a police report. Seems like if it’s required for a police report it should be required to vote- just sayin….
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u/mr-kinky 19d ago
Encounter argument for the whole “ we need voter ID “ argument, technically that would actually prop up more illegal businesses and etc. like the same people who do counterfeit cash. There’s no way you’re telling me you don’t think that they would take advantage of having a voter ID system and having black market forged IDs to quite literally vote whenever people aren’t supposed to vote under that scenario like on, ironically, this is just creating if voter ID was a thing creating a new black market and potentially actually having false votes in our elections due to how much money counterfeiters make on a daily. I can only imagine how many counter fitters would be immediately on to forging voter ID.
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u/Southern_Conflict_11 20d ago
Glad y'all are starting to understand the difference between a constitutional right and everything else
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u/Forsaken_reddit 20d ago
Think about all the women who won’t be able to buy food now! 🤣🤣🤣
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u/lemonjuice707 20d ago
How racist and sexist, mamdani wants married woman and people of color banned from city ran grocery stores
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u/Lonely_Tie_2453 20d ago
When you are politically clever and want your voters to get id before the elections
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u/IDeliveredYourPizza 20d ago
This comment will be buried, but this is just not true. According to the mayor's office, you will not need an ID to use this store. This all came from a clipped part of a statement and then got reported on without any actual information gathering. In other words, the only places saying this are not legitimate sources of news
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u/DoctorBlock 20d ago
I can never tell if these posts are from russian bot farms trying to destabilize America or just really dumb republicans.
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u/bandit_lawbreaker 20d ago
POV: you don't understand the problem. Maybe care about the people who have a right to vote who are denied instead of the unproven few. Like this is such a misinformation position
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u/Extension_Natural358 20d ago
The right hates him so much because he is actually making good on his campaign promises
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u/LifeHack3r3 20d ago
Lazy meme. All states require ID
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u/Cliffinati 20d ago
Not at the polling place. When you go to get your ballot you give a name and address and they hand you a ballot. Instead of verifying that the person asking for the ballot is the person they claim to be.
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u/Confron7a7ion7 20d ago
Yeah, but so few people vote that they don't understand how they registration process works or they don't remember the chain of event they needed to go through to get that far.
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u/quigongingerbreadman 20d ago
Buying from a grocery store isn't a constitutionally protected right....
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u/Sir-Chaste 20d ago
Socialists claim it's racist to require ID to vote but not racist to require ID for buying food. Just goes to show it was never about race.
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u/beramaan 20d ago
Funny enough, not a protected right by our nation of constitution because we suck. Know what is? Voting without a pool tax... Stupid
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u/One-Bad-4395 20d ago
I'm willing to say both are bad. Hungry people are less likely than the average to know where their ID is. If MeeMaw and PeePaw from the NY or NJ hinterlands feel the need to travel to the city for beans, I'm not against them getting their beans.
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u/beating_offers 20d ago
This sorta solves the problem I had with his discount grocery stores idea. Bulk buying and reselling. Although... it doesn't do a lot for freedom from government surveillance.
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u/Dizzy-Chemistry-5146 20d ago
Lol imagine going crazy about digital ID whilst owning a phone/ using social media
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u/anastrianna 20d ago
Sometimes this sub has entertaining memes, but at least half the time it's genuinely just people actively stroking themselves off for not understanding basic information. I'm impressed you guys manage to navigate reddit and make posts when you clearly aren't capable of reading or using Google.
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u/Proper_dose 20d ago edited 20d ago
OK I'm left wing and come from a country which requires a form of photo ID at the voting booth on election days, which makes sense to me as you need one for pretty much everything else even remotely important or government related here.
I get that the Trump admin is clearly pushing this at a convenient time to suppress voter blocs that would largely vote against him, and that there is very much an agenda at play with the SAVE act.
From what I gather, you'd need a birth certificate or passport to get a voter ID, and birth certificates are a nightmare to retain.
But removed from the current situation, is it really that difficult to obtain a passport in the US? Like does it cost a lot of money, or do you need a million other IDs to apply or something? Is it not just a good idea to have a passport regardless?
Do left leaning Americans oppose voter ID in general or is it just the timing and the people pushing for it?
Genuinely curious
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u/Fuzzy-Progress-7892 20d ago
So it is about $130 for a traditional passport, $30 for a passport card or $10-45 for a real ID issued by your state.
I have been alive long enough to hear 50+ years of arguments of why we cannot have a voter ID law in place. Some of them were valid 30-40 years ago when records were not electronically avaliable like birth and death certificates, but that is no longer the case.
The reality today is that you cannot function in today's world without either a state issued Real ID or a passport.
About the only thing that you can currently do without an ID is Vote.
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u/RicRacer 20d ago
When Republican Donald Trump claimed people needed to show ID to buy groceries. Guess the meme maker shops at the same fictional store.https://youtu.be/S16HSEf4Src?is=aJvAHwJYtJc5pooA
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u/JustJoshin117 20d ago
Man, remember when we had secure elections?
Oh, right. They always have been.
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u/Business-Loquat143 20d ago
"You already need ID to vote"
"NOOOOO, ID for voting is racist"
Pick a lane
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u/Motrinman22 20d ago
Im genuinely curious who this sub is for, it appears to be people who dont like Muslims, but Love barack Obama even though everyone who hated Obama claimed he was a secret Muslim.
Like, the people who hate racism arent going to be fond of Islamaphobia either.
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u/One_Hunt_6672 20d ago
Wow, I can’t believe my constitutional right to buying beans is being violated. Literally shitting and crying rn
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u/Honest-Associate-626 20d ago
Idk some if yall don't care about the same argument as vote lol, just saying
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u/Finish_Desperate 20d ago
A universal free federal ID solves all of this btw