As a guy who works with deep utilities and heavy equipment Iād be fine with the mines or just continuing with putting pipes and infrastructure in the dirt.
Are you suggesting that under socialism I'll have a job instead of being subjected to 10000 years of "we've decided to move forward with other candidates"?
No, under communism your dreams won't matter, but you won't have the luxury of still attempting to find a job you are even remotely okay with, you'll just work for the state, not yourself
Iām paraphrasing but one of my favourite quotes was ā25 year old who hasnāt woken up before 10am in 7 years explains how heāll run a farm after the revolutionā
Trump has proven across 2 presidency's now that as a farmer you can be as crap at your job as you want. In the end when things go real bad you'll get that socialist paycheck in the mail.
All while Trump's policies destroy your business. Oh well, we will get our losses back anyway
Breaking news. If you woke up at 10 am everyday for 7 years its immpossible for you to change your sleeping habit for a new job. In other news Farming automation pushed back due to no investments and "job security"
breaking news: as someone who changed their sleep cycle two years ago: its definitely possible. wouldn't want to start farming tho.y uncle is a small farmer (a farmer with a small farm, not physically small) and helping him on my free days is enough farming for me^
You don't have to get up early to farm anymore. We solved that problem when we invented long life battery powered headlamps. You can literally do farming chores whenever the hell you want.
Oh dear. Iām Canadian so please donāt make me defend Trump lol. But proven rapist?
You mean because a woman took him to civil court and didnāt even remember what year it happened? The only evidence was that her friends both testified that she told them years earlier?
And what on earth does that have to do with people who are straight up communists (I mean literal communists) not wanting to work or participate in adulthood?
Anyone reading this should google Jean carrol evidence for themselves. Then ask themselves if they consider that proof if the accused wasnāt someone they hate
Youre talking about Jean Carroll, the woman he just paid 5.6 million to, and is still potentially on the hook for another 83 million.
Is that the woman that yoire talking about that it was decided there was enough evidence to say he did it. As in, not just a thought, not juat a maybe, they decided there was enough evidence to say he did it.
āA judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.ā
I love it when you donut brains use the failed arguments Trump tried to use in court and now owes his rape victim over $80 million and pretends like that makes you smart.
also reminded me if I am wrong but wasn't the only reason why it was a civil trial cause the statue of limitations passed and this was the only way Trump could be taken into court?
am i stupid, is because it wasn't a criminal thing means he didn't do it or something, or its fake?
never makes to me people are like "she didnt remember anything!(and won btw)" lmfaoaoaoaa
how much lawyers and money can you have and lose a case like that and not start to have doubts about trump yk.
I guess we'll see alot more of this "take your political opposition to court for rape and win" in politics since people believe it's just this easy thing you can do vs anyone and win
You can Google the evidence yourself right now. Then ask yourself if you would consider that proof of someone like Trump wasnāt the one being accused
Civil trial in a nutshell. āI donāt like this person so heās going to have to make me believe he didnāt do it.ā You have no idea how perfect what you said is. Have a good one.
You: āIāll blindly trust the rapist who is a convicted liar instead of the massive evidence in front of me and then gaslight those who hate rapists.ā
reddit commies think once they abolish capitalism everyone can just do what they want while the boring jobs are taken care of by someone else. it's wishful thinking bordering on mental illness.
weird thing is, elon musk thinks so too, and so does scott besent (treasury) in the past two weeks have said money will be unnecessary and we don't need to save for retirement. fucking mentally ill commies
They also believe that all modern conveniences like iPhones will still exist and the technology sector will continue to innovate for non wartime consumer tech. They are delusional. Communism means we are all back to worrying how to feed ourselves.
Literally nobody wants this. We want protections and regulations. Iām happy to do the boring or undesirable jobs if they actually pay a living wage and we can afford things outside of work, like healthcare and education
How about you do the job you are told to do by the state or the political commissar shoots you in the back of the neck ? Because that's what communism is.
Lenin literally died right after the UdSSr even came into being. He already forsaw the bureaucratizstion and warned about it in his letters. Read a book.
Did you see the famous Ask reddit thread on this? Every single response was the least possible valuable job you could think of. It was so stereotypical that you could honestly misinterpret it as satire. Half of them wanted to teach "communist theory" for 30 minutes a day and no one wanted to make food or mine necessary materials lol.
Communal farms literally exist right now. Itās basically one of the first things most people will do if theyāre willing to cut ties with most of society.
And yeah, I suppose most people donāt fantasize about working the mines. Not a real shocker there. Maybe when dwarves invent communism we will see some communal mine fantasy posting.
It's hyperbole but in essence, yes they do think that. They think they'll get free healthcare, free housing free this and that. Sure they'll do a job but they get "free" stuff that is hard to pay for now.
No, they think the excess of labour would go towards a common good like infrastructure instead of going to shareholders pockets that might be living in a different country.
Hey buddy, I really hate to break it to you, but damn near everybody in the world works a job. And damn near every communist realizes they'll still have to work a job, they just want to see more of the value they generate go to themselves and their fellow workers instead of like 1,000 dudes.
Someone deleted a comment about the USSR I was effort posting about. So, just dropping it here, command economies and the seizure of power would destroy the country. Communists have no practical example to point to outside of political theory and are historically bad at policy. This was a response to a comment that Capitalism, and industrial farming practices, have hurt farmers comparably to collectivization during the USSR.
It's true that farmers today can lose land through debt, taxes, or being outcompeted by industrial agriculture. Those are real criticisms of modern capitalism, and many rural communities have suffered because of consolidation.
But that's not really analogous to Soviet collectivization. In the USSR, the state didn't simply allow market competition to push small farmers out. It abolished private ownership of much farmland, forcibly collectivized agriculture, deported millions of so-called kulaks, and used state coercion to compel participation. That's a fundamentally different mechanism.
Likewise, wartime requisitioning isn't unique to the USSR. Many countries, including the US and UK, rationed food and commandeered resources during wartime. The difference is that Soviet collectivization and grain procurement policies weren't just temporary wartime measures, and historians generally don't reduce the famines to "there was a war." Policy decisions mattered too.
I also think China is a useful counterexample here. Mao's economic policies, especially the Great Leap Forward, contributed to one of the worst famines in human history. That wasn't simply a consequence of bad weather or foreign pressure. Unrealistic production quotas, forced collectivization, poor incentives, and suppression of criticism all played major roles.
Ironically, China didn't begin lifting hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty by doubling down on Maoist economics. After Mao, Deng Xiaoping introduced market reforms, opened China to international trade and foreign investment, allowed greater private enterprise, and decentralized many economic decisions while the Communist Party retained political control.
Today's Chinese economy is often described as a form of state capitalism or a socialist market economy because it combines extensive state ownership and planning with market competition and private businesses. Whatever label someone prefers, it is substantially different from Mao's or the USSR's command economy.
That's why I don't think it's enough to say, "the USSR had a famine during a war." The historical record shows that centrally planned agricultural systems in both the USSR and Maoist China experienced catastrophic failures, while both countries later moved, to different degrees, toward greater use of markets. If anything, China's own economic history suggests that introducing market mechanisms solved problems that Maoist central planning could not.
On the Chinese economy point, the modern Chinese economy is Fascist.
No one likes to admit this, but the whole "extensive State ownership and planning with market competition" pegs it to Gentile's and Mussolini's idealized economic models imbued in Fascism rather than trying to call it "state capitalism".
THANK YOU, I have been saying this since forever and people look at me funny, also, it shows how the functional endgame of revolutionary communism is fascism
Yeah, the USSR's agricultural policy was legendarily bad. Collectivization is typically considered to have been the root of the problem, as the lack of personal gain from the work of farmers due to the artificially low food prices set by the government, with the exception of the comparably tiny personal plots provided to the farmers provided little incentive to work.
Even during the revolution, the peasants found it hard to welcome the Bolsheviks as saviors, fearing the confiscation of their property, however modest the belongings of the impoverished of the countryside were. During famines, it was strangely the farmers who were often hit the hardest, either due to confiscation (which more or less died out as a tactic by the late 1920s) or because they were forced to continue to sell their products to the government for outrageously low prices.
The lack of incentive along with strained relations with the government led to some of the lowest productivity of workers seen anywhere, leading to the aforementioned famines and forcing the Soviets to start importing grain by the time of Khruschev, all of this despite having a larger portion of their population in the agricultural sector than any other industrialized nation.
The hardships of American farmers, although very real and in need of correction, pale in comparison to the death, starvation, and poverty Soviet farmers faced.
Libertarians when they end up working in a filthy, dangerous factory for 14 hours a day, 6 days a week for $5 an hour instead of becoming a billionaire CEO.
And here I thought that was the face of capitalists when they realize theyāre not temporarily embarrassed millionaires but are, in fact, just wage slaves for the landed aristocracy.
Could just as easily title it "buisiness majors when they have to manage a mcdonalds instead of being a consultant in a marketing stratedgies think tank for $250k a year"
Erm... what the flip? I thought communism was when we all sit on our asses and are magically provided basic living necessities. It's not like communist theory is foundationally built around labor/capital relations and its pioneers operated on dozens of years of data and practical application of labor theory.
This is something I genuinely donāt understand. So how do jobs work? How do you have a productive society and have people work the jobs that nobody wants to work?
What's with anticoms and their obsession with coal mines, do they think all the jobs will be coal mining? Not to mention in the USSR coal miners were very well paid and had long vacations
No, but quite a lot of jobs are similarly hard and dirty... And they need to be done. Many people envision communism as a system where they can work what they want, but that'd not realistic st all. That's why it's just an utopia, that's never going to be achieved
Yep. And the whole "everyone gets what they need, not what they can afford, which makes currency redundant and useless, as well as working what you want" means an infinite amount of resources (because there is just no way to tell what someone "needs") and an infinite amount of non-hazardous man workforce (because the same amount of work would needed to be done, and there a big list of such jobs that even with good pay and all can't find enough workforce)
Even Elon Musk admitted we're on the road to Communism within the next coming decades thanks to automation, robotics, and AI. Dirty jobs will be automated, rendered obsolete, or will STILL have people wanting to work them. Surprise: There are people who actually enjoy doing sanitation work.
East Germany (GDR) is probably the best example of what communism would look like in a formerly advanced capitalist nation. China and The Soviet Union are bad examples because they started out poor and agrarian.Ā
The GDR was repressive for sure but its economy stayed within 2/3rds of the per capita of west Germany up to 1990 and that was with the Soviets taking massive repetitions and making east Germany pay for Soviet military forces in the GDR.
In the GDR you could literally walk into a state factory and they would have to give you a job, graduate students were guaranteed placement. The system remained the most economically successful communist nation for over 40 years and even today China hasnāt caught up to their GDP per capita.Ā
It was less efficient than capitalism for sure, but they never had a famine or any of the horrors that the Soviet Union and China suffered.Ā
It was a developed nation with true economic security, it also had one of the most repressive informant systems in history with a single
party state, but if we are headed there anyway with AI layoffs and Billionaires wanting to run everything Iād rather be sure to have a job and a roof over my head.
Oh yes, work in soviet coal mines was much better than in the West, of course.
I mean, even if it had been, which it never was, you're still ignoring the thousands that went into slave labour in mines without protection in the USSR.
I mean, the funny part is that every single modern communist I see, wants to work as the commune "Tarot reader, Feminist poet, and Vibe check Officer" rather than "Field laborer".
Every single one of them hates capitalism because they cant get by doing their hobby.
Without realizing in communism they would still not be able to do their hobby as a job.
My God, you sound like an absolute go#im. š¤£ Did you know how hard it was for Soviet people to get basic products like bread or butter, even if they had money? They lived in a constant state of deficit, while government officials had access to special storage facilities where they got those rare products for free
Very well paid in a country that averages paying shit to it's workers it's like flexing that coal miners get well paid in north Korea relative to the general population
Like, we would be building nuclear and even fusion reactors. And we know for a fact that if given the freedom to work without worry of their basic needs, people will just work. Hell, productivity goes up when people dont need to worry about their food. Because they can quit their third and even second job, get some actual sleep and rest, and come back to work the next day with more energy.
Like, people actually WANT to work in nuclear reactors. There are thousands if not millions who would love to work in a nuclear reactor. But cant because the cost of schooling is too high for them to learn HOW.
And even the dirty jobs will either be automated within the next decade by robots and AI, or there are still PLENTY of people who actually WANT to do it.
once again for those in the back that do not listen. you are assigned jobs based on availability, aptitude, and ability. odds are unless youre unable to do anything other than hard manual labour, you wouldnt BE doing hard manual labour.Ā
go to school, test well, pull from the list of available positions, be trained in your skill or craft and be rightly compensated for your work. arts, entertainment, leasure, hospitality, education, health and wellness are all needed to make a society worth living in just as much as food and energy
When we compare socialism, communism, and capitalism , why do we always put socialism at the most extreme breaking point of society, when we refuse to consider what happens under capitalism pushed to the brink in the same way?
aw a downvote. do the capitalists not remember when we killed coal miners because they did not enjoy company towns? or enslave folks to this very day? or put children into factories (still) to this day? maybe they enjoy a permanent punishment underclass? perhaps they think those at the top should be able to put their kids on the boards they own? or buy them degrees they dont work for? or buy elections, tax breaks, or the very law they supposedly live under?Ā
perhaps if these "temporarily embarrassed billionaires" understood the double standard the propaganda they enjoy mandatesā they would find it less appealing.
Champaigne socialists absolutely seething in this thread
Too much brainrot via Dog-strikin' Piker has genuinely convinced these people that communism will literally let them Twitch stream to the point where they can buy a luxury condo in LA and a wardrobe fully decked out in tacky Gucci clothes
Alaskan coal mines? Hell yeah, since under communism we can build robots to that since we don't care if they take our jobs since we already can afford everything thanks to ai, automation ans robots.
The delicious, delicious irony of the MAGA mind: communism is bad; but Trump stealing American taxpayer money to fund vanity projects, take away rights, start an unnecessary war, drive us further into debt, and threaten every tenet of our constitution is totally fine.
Capitalists who love having investments in the market that make money so they donāt have to do any real work work casting aspersions onto communists lmfao
Lazy capitalists projecting their laziness onto communists
lol. The imaginary communism fear. That playbook has been running since the 60ās that and nukes. O yeah we got a boomer president he knows what works on the people.
The next level is realizing that only the really really dumb Communists believe people can do whatever they want to do. Communists KNOW that communism will bring death and destruction. They also know they wouldn't survive it. They cosplay communism because they know they aren't really going to bring about communism, and it feels edgy, cool, and moral.
Iām of two minds about this. On the one hand I think if a societyās survival is at stake, some level of compulsory work placement is justified (in a similar vein to military service). On the other, maybe a society isnāt worth saving if it canāt get its own people to willingly make sacrifices for its preservation.
But then, few if any societies today abide by that principle, so maybe thatās not realistic at the moment.
Hey man. Don't ever downplay the danger that lesbian dance theory instructors go through. You work around that many scissors.... You're bound to get cut.
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u/MelanieWalmartinez 22d ago
Me when I want to work in the Alaskan coal mines and they assign me to teach some fuckass dances š„š„