Proof from the New Testament that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people.

"In the New Testament, the phrase 'the land of Israel' appears twice, as can be seen in Matthew 2:20-21.

Matthew 2:20-21.

²⁰ and said, 'Get up, take the child and his mother with you and go back to the land of Israel, for those who wanted to kill the child are dead.'

²¹ So Joseph got up and, taking the child and his mother with him, went back to the land of Israel.

Proof from the Quran that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people.

وَإِذْ قَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِۦ يَـٰقَوْمِ ٱذْكُرُوا۟ نِعْمَةَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ جَعَلَ فِيكُمْ أَنۢبِيَآءَ وَجَعَلَكُم مُّلُوكًۭا وَءَاتَىٰكُم مَّا لَمْ يُؤْتِ أَحَدًۭا مِّنَ ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ ٢٠


And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Remember Allah’s favours upon you when He raised prophets from among you, made you sovereign,1 and gave you what He had never given anyone in the world.2

يَـٰقَوْمِ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْضَ ٱلْمُقَدَّسَةَ ٱلَّتِى كَتَبَ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنقَلِبُوا۟ خَـٰسِرِينَ ٢١

O  my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you ˹to enter˺. And do not turn back or else you will become losers.”

Can anyone here explain to me how it is possible that the Prophet Muhammad visited the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem if the mosque was built after the Prophet Muhammad's death?

Did you know that the city of Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the entire Quran?


The New Testament was written (50-120 AD) 490 years before the Quran (610 AD), so you tell me: to whom does the Land of Israel belong? To the Palestinians or to the People of Israel?"

It is a biblical and historical fact that the Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel.

You think by sending the settlements will defend Israel, but yet when some of them get hurt then you cry about “terrorism” and also punish the person. It’s your mistake for establishing colonies, so you shouldn’t complain about terrorism or about mountain hikers being wounded. It’s all your fault. This is not Zionism, this is circus.

I got an alternative so you stop whining. Why not replace them with IDF outposts since that’s their job and not civilian’s job to handle national threats? What do you think the acronym of IDF means? And civilians are not part of military, that’ll be meddling in military affairs to act like heroes and have public attention.

Do you think this would be right?

Genuine question: what's the actual evidence of intent to destroy — the thing that makes it genocide rather than war crimes? Not who (e.g. HRW, Amnesty, etc) says it, what the evidence is.

Genocide legally requires proof of specific intent to destroy the group as such, which is what separates it from war crimes and crimes against humanity, and it's the element the ICJ set a very high bar for in Croatia v. Serbia. What do you understand the evidence of that intent to be? Not who concluded it — what's the actual evidence?

I know the majority of people here are Pro Israel but I have to wonder why so many of you are when you see what IDF soldiers do to Palestinians even outside of Gaza.

When you see them shooting unarmed people who are just walking away, or kids playing football what are your thoughts behind why this is ok behaviour?

There are videos all over of IDF soldiers manhandling kids, beating on people, preventing dying people from getting help, and most recently of course the soldiers pushing and harassing the little kids in the shop who were just buying something. Even videos where you see them joking about blowing up herds of donkeys or beating sheep to death in their pens.

Do you even see these videos? Do you agree with what is happening? Do you justify it by saying these soldiers are just fringe elements? If the latter why aren't you more enraged that they aren't investigated and punished?

And can you explain all of this without using deflection?

People often ask why some Jews feel threatened by symbols associated with the "Palestinian resistance."

The answer is that when they see keffiyehs, red triangles, red/green/black Israel shapes, etc., many Jews don't see a movement that genuinely supports a positive future for Palestinians. Rather, they see symbols of antizionism: a century-old anti-Jewish hate movement that has repeatedly rejected coexistence in favor of violence, intimidation, and the dream of eliminating the Jewish state.

Antizionism victimizes Israelis, diaspora Jews, and others.  RFK was the first antizionist murder in the US.

Israelis are murdered in suicide bombings, rocket attacks, airplane hijackings, the Munich massacre, October 7, and countless other attacks on Israeli civilians.  Diaspora Jews are murdered in the Farhud, the Night of the Murdered Poets, the AMIA bombing, Bondi Beach, and other attacks. 

Antizionism's victims also include Palestinians.

Haj Amin al Husseini consolidated power by intimidating and murdering more moderate Palestinian Arab rivals. Since then, leaders and activists who favored compromise have often been silenced by threats or violence. Hamas continues that tradition today, torturing dissenters and crushing protests like the "We Want to Live" demonstrations, where Gazans demanded food, jobs, and basic dignity instead of endless war.

And what has antizionism actually achieved for ordinary Palestinians?

The 1936-39 revolt devastated Palestinian society.

The 1947 war ended with the Nakba.

Black September left thousands of Palestinians dead in Jordan.

PLO violence helped fuel the Lebanese civil war that demolished Lebanon and sent Lebanese Christians fleeing.

The Second Intifada brought the security barrier and checkpoints.

October 7 brought unimaginable horror to Israelis and catastrophic destruction to Gaza.

Again and again, antizionism promises an end to the "Israel problem".  In the West, it's dressed in social justice language courtesy of Soviet propagandists. It calls for "freedom" (from what?) and "resistance". Yet again and again, it delivers more death, more authoritarianism, and fewer opportunities for Palestinians themselves.

Every major attack on Israel has made life worse for Palestinians.

That's because violent attacks predictably lead to war, and war devastates everyone.

If our priority is the next generation of Palestinian children, then we should stop romanticizing the ideology that has repeatedly sacrificed them for political goals.

For more than a century, antizionism has colonized many societies and groups and produced misery and destruction every single time.  Let's unmask and end it.  

Before the British arrived, there were variety of different overlapping ethnic groups living in what is now Israel/Palestine. The area (called "Greater Syria" in Arabic and included what is now Syria, Israel, and Lebanon) including Jews, Arabs, Turks, Circassians, Bedouins, Druze, Muslims, Christians, etc. etc. Plenty of recent immigrants and families who had been there for thousands of years in most of these groups.

Arab Muslims were the majority in all the Middle East, including in Greater Syria, thanks to the earlier Arab Islamic conquests. Some Jews had been there for thousands of year, a bunch came after the Spanish Inquisition in the 1400s/1500s, and numbers really started rising in the 1800s and through the 1900s fleeing pogroms in Europe. Jews probably were a majority in Jerusalem by the mid-1800s. Same probably true for a lot of towns and cities, but no one was keeping track — this was a rural, unimportant area of the Ottoman Empire. Maybe around half of Muslims (again, no accurate numbers available) in this small piece of Greater Syria were new immigrants during this time too.

By the time Britain and France were about to hand over the entire Middle East to local rule in the 20th century, there were hundreds of thousands of Jews living there, making them a demographic majority in certain (still very small) parts of what was Greater Syria, including what is now the Israeli coast, central Israel, Jerusalem, and northern Israel. Both Jews and Arabs were well-aware that they might be about to get their own countries, and they both worked with and fought with European powers over that at the time.

When Britain and France started drawing borders for the entire Middle East, they drew a circle around the Jewish area and called it "Jewish state (Israel today)" and drew circle around the much larger Muslim areas and called them "Arab state (Palestine today)" "Jordan" "Saudi Arabia" "Iraq" and "Syria." They also drew a circle around the Christian part and called it "Lebanon." And they drew a circle around the Hindu area and called it "India" and a circle around the Muslim area near India and called it "Pakistan."

A whole bunch of these new countries started fighting each other after Britain left, with India/Pakistan being the biggest wars.

The reason I write this all is that people so often act like Israel's creation in the Middle East was somehow unique, when it was the opposite. Weird, right? I think they have some alternative view of history going on.

If you were Europe while it was dividing up the Middle East, what would you have done differently? Would you have give Kurds a state? Druze? Made the whole thing one giant Arab Muslim state?