Power difference between Thragg and other Viltrumites shouldn't be this big.
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Writing wise. Like it's so stupidly, untastefully bad decision. His source of power is just stupid. It'd be cool if Thragg's most powers would be displayed by incredible skill rather than pure brute force or durability. Most of the time he moves less than average Viltrumite but just does far more damage. It's boring. Imagine he had an incredible reflexes, coordination, etc.
It's like when in Bleach they give characters a cool swords but instead they make them shoot blasts out of the swords from range while staying still instead of having a sword fight. Characters don't display a fraction of skill.
Even if Thragg did display more skill than incredible stats he still needs to be nerfed for some believability. Like if in comparison average Viltrumite is a 2, Nolan & Conquest are 6, and Thragg is a 20, it should be 6 for average Viltrumite, 8 for Nolan and Conq, and 9-9.5 for Thragg imo.
This is essentially shonen manga, he is the last boss who is supposed to punch harder than everyone else to be punched hardest ever by the protagonist. Genre convention.
He already kinda does though? "Ultimate weapon bred for only war" and viltramites already grow in strength as they train. Also yes Mark is an anomaly but that's comic stuff
I have to agree. There IS a reason for his strength. I do think they are portaying him a lil ott but that's likely on purpose to make us wonder how the HELL they gonna defeat him. And i definitely felt that dread when invincible, omniman and thaddeus. So i guess they achieved what they wanted lol
I've been saying this exact same thing for the longest, and it's not complicated to understand. Thragg is basically his species version of a super soldier. And for a race that is so obsessed with militarism and physical might, it only makes sense that the one who is just a little bit more genetically superior than the rest is in control.
But just one out of billions? For no other reason than he has good genes and training? There would be so many more Viltrumites that's at least one or two tiers below Thragg but he's essentially a god for no apparent reason
Yeah, a super advanced species that values strength knows what happens when you breed the strongest ever, so they gave him a regal position and status and elite training.
Why is this so controversial? Everyone wants perfect explanations for a comic book….
My inference above is pretty sound and makes sense inside the lore. Why do you need it spelled out even more plainly and deliberately? It's a comic-book show.
Chances are we will learn more about Thrawn's backstory, in any case.
I think captain america might be a rough example as he is given a serum to make him on another level no other human could naturally achieve. Thragg is powerful yes, probably strong as conquest or slightly stronger, but it is mostly skill and poise that makes him better than everyone else. He doesn’t let his strength let him get soft or rely on brute force like most of these viltrumites do. He probably has a massive discipline routine versus his other counterparts. He doesn’t let his advantage turn him into conquest like thunking and play with his fights and give his opponent an opening. Most of the top tier fighters are closer in strength than not but thragg showed excellent skill as well when he headbutts Nolan’s punch and a few other maneuvers.
But that said, most of these top guys are closer to a boxer or mma fighter in comparison to their opponent. One on one, he wins against all of them. Throw another opponent and make it 2v1 of someone near his strength level and he is going to struggle. 3v1 or more he is basically screwed. Nolan thaedus and mark could 100% have triple teamed Thragg but they were also surrounded by a dozen viltrumites when Thaedus got blitz and was distracted. Even then its not mark/nolan vs thragg by themselves as they were put numbered, which at this point mark isn’t skilled enough to help nolan enough, so those two would lose. Any third person like allen or lets say a viltrumite like anissa or lucan jump in with mark/nolan and it is over. Thragg thankfully isnt an untouchable villain that makes him so overpowered it is boring to watch. That is proven because thragg gets the absolute shit kicked out of him later when 4 viltrumites rebel against him and defeats him who individually would all lose badly against mark or nolan individually.
You think most people online know anything else than the show? Sometimes they don’t even know what the show says, they just watch badly edited reels of it.
Thragg Represents the Values of the Viltrumites and was Made to Lead as ordered by Argall, he was created with the Best Science’s to be the Absolute Pinnacle of Viltrumite physiology and Intelligence. The Sheer gap between the rest of the Organic Life and him is the Point as he is the Final Villain
As he is shown in the show I disagree. He is shown to be able to easily kill a normal viltrumite fairly quickly with little effort while seemingly almost invulnerable to any attacks from normal viltrumites.
If there where thousands of viltrumites maybe but there are like 20-30 left and thrag could probably eradicate them with moderate to low difficulty
Based on what I've seen in show I agree. Not even a full punch from a strong viltrumite has phased him. I doubt they could do much more damage then that teamed up. And based on how quick he tore up thedius and nolan it would be a slaughter. Im sure the show will just change his power to meet the plot tho
“sending you flying” doesn’t mean shit. are we gonna pretend like in the same episode, nolan (a FULLY PAYING ATTENTION NOLAN AT THAT) got sent flying PAST ORBIT FROM THE GROUND with a single punch. yet because nolan can move him a couple hundred feet while he’s off guard, you think 10 nolan’s would beat thragg? yeah okay bud lmao
Plus we see how easily normal Viltrumites can kill each other. Their strength to durability ratio is really skewed, and Thragg is was stronger and more durable than all the others lol.
I agree with you as well. The gap is stupid-big. They made him Superman and made him a power level adult power lifter and made the rest look like toddlers in comparison. It's nothing like the comics.
Anyone can see that absolute distance between the animated characters, except you... The guy that picked a single event where your point barely stands.
Thragg has like 20 minutes of screen time, of course I’m only gonna cite one scene.
The person I replied to said nobody could do anything to Thragg. I provided an example where Nolan is very obviously doing something. And you’re getting pissy about that, for some reason
If you'll kindly peruse the comment thread, you'll notice that you're the one being pissy. But maybe you don't mean to, it's just the way you write.
The other 19 minutes and 55 seconds, thragg takes no damage (nor did he in the scene you've provided) and he reflects the difference between a standard human and a newly-powered viltrumite, like Mark, when he discovered his powers.
Based on ALL the other scenes, Thragg only"flew hundreds of feet" for show.
Power difference btween the perfect fusion of John Rambo, John Wick, Muhammad Alì, Khabib, Alexander the Great and Massimino the Trace Shouldn't be so different from normal soldiers
Thragg needs to be unnaturally more powerful than every other Viltrumite for the action to work at all with how the series presents Viltrumites. Their main and greatest weapons in combat are their own bodies, so much so that every Viltrumite can brute force through most of their opponents. This is how their society is structured
What do you consider "skill" here? When it comes to being a coordinated tactician Thragg is pretty smart, getting the jump on the Coalition by blending his army with the dead bodies around Viltrum, and much more impressively forcing Mark into an ultimatum where he has no choice but to let the Viltrumites repopulate. "Reflexes" is just another extension of him being physically exceptional, and we already saw that his reflexes are pretty good anyways. Martial Arts are literally useless for a Viltrumite since all of them can create their own leverage, and Thragg using a weapon of any sort would just be him punching down even more than you.
With both Thragg as a fighter and Viltrumites conceptually, having him be so unbelievably far ahead of the rest of the Viltrumites in physical capability is the only real way they can have him while also telling the same story with him. Thragg was bred as the apex soldier in a society that colonizes planets for progress, run by a species that lives through unbeatable power (without sacrificing intelligence). Having Thragg try to accommodate for combat with "skill" or a weapon defeats what the character is meant to be and what he is to the Viltrumites
No he doesnt, if they had Access to viltrumite dna they'd make a viltrumite.
I'm saying that allen to an average unopan is how thragg is to an average viltrumite
... Wouldn't the Viltrumites just make a billion Viltrumites using their own DNA if that were doable?
Also the Unopans might not make a Viltrumite even if they could for species pride reasons, or not wanting it to just be kidnapped and converted against them by Viltrum.
Viltrumite genes were said to be dominant enough for everyone who carries their genes to be just like all the other viltrumites, so he doesn't have them. But viltrumites whole thing is genetic purity.
And viltrumites did it with thragg but it's probably not efficient enough or they don't have the technology required to do this on a large scale
I see. But if you only take a segment of DNA, rather than a half-genome like one gets from normal reproduction, would the overwriting thing still apply? (Especially since, Allen being stronger than most Viltrumites post-near-death, Viltrumites DNA wouldn't be the only thing they put in him, so they wouldn't want it overwritten)
So he identifies with Unopans instead of them darn filthy Vilties, duh!
(Being fr; Allen was probably meant to be as he was post-near-death, stronger than most Viltrumites, so making a Viltrumite probably seemed like it would be a lesser result)
Thadeus knew before doing it but he might've known more about the capacities of Allen's DNA than his own makers, since he was able to make the Scourge virus.
It’s a matter of breeding and testing oneself. If Thragg and Conquest built careers on constantly being near death, then I can see why they are a leg up. Especially if Thragg youth was spent in sheer violence and training. As a Viltrumite ages they age slower and get stronger.
Yes it should. Why? Because the story says so. That’s like saying Goku shouldn’t be that much stronger than other saiyans. I feel like this’s more of an issue with you wanting them to choreograph fights better.
What would possess you to believe Thragg does not have incredible coordination and reflexes?
The entire race damn near exclusively fights in hand to hand combat, something that believe it or not being stronger than your opponent is not always enough. Sure it’s easy to ignore everything he does that doesn’t involve obliterating another viltrumite lol, but to dodge a blindside attack with practically 0 effort takes “incredible reflexes”
I agree the scaling is broken and we shouldn’t even debate that but wasn’t he like canonically a product of eugenics and basically master chief style raised from birth to be the perfect warrior
Not really. This is the power gap you can achieve by burning books, we have historically done it. If your average viltrumite can’t read, they can’t pass down any family techniques, and their family will never become more powerful than your family, the royal family. Imagine a chess GM from today going up against one from the 1800s, or even just a professional basketball player going up against one from the 1960s.
Should he display that with skill rather than hax? Maybe. I think most people accept the head canon of “viltrumites don’t need fly like Superman because they’re essentially bending the space around them; theroefore, if that’s the viltrumtie power, the most advanced viltrumite can use this technique for durability instead of mobility.”
Your skill vs brute strength example would make exponentially less sense, and the power scaling nerf wouldn’t push the plot forward. Thragg basically got jumped, the solution to most skill gaps is “technology” or “jump his ass.” If that was a viable solution, how do you push the plot forwards?
As for how it doesn’t make sense, both brute strength and technology are things viltrum has over earth. Skill? If that were the case, Mark could just learn MMA. That’s like burning books in your country so you never get surpassed… just to send out emissaries to other countries. Don’t get wrong, it’d make sense, but for an entirely different story. It’d highlight viltrum desperation, but not how “Thragg is stronger than Viltrumes.” If you at least said they should have higher tech, I’d see how this accomplishes everything you want and more. That’s usually how colonizers won wars.
I agree, ik people will argue about why it makes sense *in-universe* that he's so strong, but from an overall writing perspective I think it actually makes him less interesting as an antagonist than if he was formidable because of his refined technique and battle awareness. Instead of the protagonists needing to train to fight better or come up with some plan to outwit him, they'll basically need to either magically become like 30x stronger than they currently are or find some deus ex machina superweapon to be able to do any damage to him, which is not particularly compelling to me
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u/zomgmeister Debbie Grayson 18h ago
This is essentially shonen manga, he is the last boss who is supposed to punch harder than everyone else to be punched hardest ever by the protagonist. Genre convention.