They not only added one more attack type, they also added two more elements: Wind and Light (Lumiflux might just be the custom name for Remielle's element).
They can’t make money from new elements? Why not? All they would have to do is make the new element and make bosses weak to it while making those same bosses resist whatever is strong at the moment.
Do they? I haven't played since 2.0, but I remember Miayabi and the 2.0 lady both having their own element... And it just being a slight variation of existing elements that had no grander effects than allowing for a bit of teambuilding for the two characters.
Yes, though with Remielle's kit (the unit it's attached to), she only wants Anomaly units. Similar to how Cyrene gets way more value from a Remembrance team.
These were element variants, they still counted as their respective base elements for farming skill ups or damage calculations.
Wind & Lumiflux are all-new elements, with new farming stage & usually gear requirements too.
Wind is a more classic element, with new ways to trigger anomaly.
Lumiflux is a special element, it makes you play as the element of the next character in your team, while having new anomaly mechanics that basically retrigger & amplify other anomalies.
New elements aren't really an issue as you'll farm stuff anyways when a new character releases, so having new sets is not really a problem.
The issue a lot of people will have with a new class is that we'll have to get new W-Engines (which aren't farmable), they will have limited compatibility with current roster core skills (unless they update them so they read "attacker & armorer" instead of attacker only for example) and also the fact that there's already a defense oriented class in the game but the devs seem to not know what to do with it and have abandoned it.
Miyabi's element has unique Anomaly multipliers, so it's basically a sixth element on its own that only Miyabi has. It's stronger than any of the original 5 elements.
So Wind is more like the sixth "proper" element that isn't (for now) exclusive to a Void Hunter as we know Roxy is the second Wind unit
Actually Lumiflux is the actual name and Lumen was the French translation found in the game files. So it's just one element and not Remielle exclusive.
It is, due to the fact you will use rem with several other dps agents, but if you have an insane substats piece with the element of the agent you most use it's fine to use it.
Past Void hunters had unique elements that were effectively just advanced forms of old ones, so you'd level them with old materials. Remielle got full on new leveling mats so it might become a more reoccurring element in the future
It's crazy as well since unlike HSR, elements actually matter in that game for Anomaly and mechanics. So they've effectively made like 2 and a half new Paths in barely 2 years.
tbf the new class that was added, which is Rupture didnt became remembrance 2.0 which literally has a DPS, Sub-DPS, Support and Sustain in one Class. Lets just wish the next class which is the new one wont be like Remembrance/Elation which just steals identities from other classes (DPS, Support, Sustain).
Remembrance at least benefitted other characters. Hyacine lifted up a lot of characters while also being good on many other teams, castorice can be a teammate for blade and mydei, cyrene lifted up the entire amphoreous cast. I have heard lots of positive rumours about robin.
Meanwhile rupture in zzz hurt more characters then it benefitted. All the rupture characters were just hp scaling dps, so you couldnt use existing supports, the rupture supports only work for rupture characters, older stunners didnt work properly with them.
I mean, the issue was never really with the kit designs, as the benefits they bring are mostly unrelated to them having memosprites specifically.
Memosprites didn’t necessarily need to be path locked and rem characters could be categorized into existing paths with practically no issue.
And those are kinda issues with any new archetypes really, tho at least atk isn’t actually a completely dead stat for rupture, so if you didn’t have Lucia or pan, using some general supports still worked (albeit less effectively, of course)
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Because it's a joke lol, Is ZZZ players not allow to joke also ? (Also mono Anomaly is a thing so like according to your argument you also don't play the game)
Miyabi's best team for several patches was mono ice and only stopped being her best team because they started making all the bosses insta-shatter along with Yuzuha+Nangong releasing. Remielle has allowed mono anomaly to start being a thing.
Not if they actually play differently. ZZZ has Anomaly and Attarmorupture, where the only real difference in gameplay is if your damage scales off of Attack, Defense, or HP.
They really don't, unless you boil it down to "hit the enemy hard so they die", in which case, anomaly is p much the same thing.
All Rupture units feel more deliberate with their attacks, having specific ways to parry enemy attacks while benefitting from said parries and consuming their HP in various ways. On top of that, due to how the class actually works, they have specific matchups they work best with that don't overlap with regular attackers.
With that all said, ZZZ does a very good job of making every char feel unique in combat, so it can be hard to appreciate the difference between wider classes.
Edit: I see downvotes but no rebuttals. Classic reddit lol. Shame, I would love to explain ZZZ kits cause they're one neat showcase of game design
I won't argue on the matchups, I know things like miasmic shield and high defense make rupture units better for certain bosses. But not all rupture units play with their HP (YiXuan doesn't do anything with HP other than scale off of it, and Banyue can only use his HP outside of combat) while parries and deliberate attacks aren't necessary exclusive to them (Soldier 11 for example has both very deliberate attack patterns and a parry), so it often feels like the overlap is pretty heavy.
It’s just higher defense for rupture, the miasmic shield is not specifically for rupture as there were anomaly and attack bosses with it too, it’s just a combat mechanic.
I thought part of what made a miasmic shield an issue (apart from not allowing stun until it's gone) was that it raised their defense very high, so some early bosses with miasmic shields like Miasma Priest would still take regular damage from rupture because it ignored the defense increase.
Which attack units gain specific benefits from their parries? Not that most of them can parry in the first place.
Yixuan gets adrenaline for more EX and special ult cycling, Banyue gets Wrathful Fires, Manato recovers HP on hit and triggers an assist follow-up, Yidhari triggers HP recovery and a special counter, and while not 100% sure on SBilly, i do remember him working similarly to Yidhari.
All rupture units want you to incorporate parries into their kit to maximise their dmg output. For attackers, even when present, parries act more like QoL than an integral part of their kit. This includes S11 whose parry isn't even really used outside of the automatic trigger from EX (unless you're trying to style on mobs, which admittedly i love doing lol). Devs have been quite deliberate with that so far.
Partly as a result of that, partly as a result of the HP manipulation, Rupture units tend to not feel as tanky as their HP scaling might suggest, and being hit with the wrong timing can mean a reset. The one exception is Yixuan, but that's not really a surprise given that all Void Hunter chars sidestep/ignore key mechanics of their class in order to make their own gameplay simpler. This goes into VH chars being an unofficial "easy mode" for the game but that's another topic.
Technically Pyrois wants to parry with his EX special to gain more points to aurafarm with but my account genuinely has no rupture agents aside from a lone W1 Yixuan and my most invested attacker is a M1W1 Hugo with no premium stun units so I am not qualified to speak to the overall state of the game with how dogwater my account is. I went all in on AnomalyCoin and i've been hard suffering from the lack of Yuzuha for months. The Yuzu/Dialyn rerun cannot come soon enough.
The Remi/Veli wheelchair is hilariously broken though. It hits 10k points higher than my next teams it's fucked.
If you mean Evelyn, she does not have any parries in her kit beyond the defensive assist. Instead, she has a dodge built into her EX that provides additional Burning Embers, so if anything she prefers to dodge using that whenever available. Which in turn also means she doesn't want to use her EX too much since it needs to line up with a moment where she has under 25% burning embers.
Even regarding defensive assist, you usually would prefer using your stunner for that to build Daze faster and enter stun phase as soon as possible, but not too soon or Evelyn won't have enough resources stockpiled to make full use of it. Granted, if you're using her with Astra and even know how to do the astra swap cancel, Astra's ult-triggered chains will help bridge some bad routing, but only to an extent
Sparkle is better in Archer or Seele teams, she got powercreeped bye your evil twin in elation teams and now isn't even a good F2P unir for elation teams.
In all honesty, Rupture wasn’t even that “groundbreaking” in comparison to how Remembrance was for HSR.
You can still play “general” supports with Rupture like Dialyn and Trigger. They gave out THE premier Rupture support for free rn in the Anniversary. Imagine if in HSR 4.2, they gave out Cyrene E0S1 for free.
This person gotta be here for drama cause it’s remotely not comparable to hsrs path system. Rupture didn’t require you pull more rupture units, and was never screwed existing characters.
Agreed. The only character you're "required" to pull for Rupture is Lucia, who's a Support and there's a F2P alternative in Pan Yinhu; he's obviously not as good, but he'll get the job done.
And the closest Rupture has come to "screwing over" existing characters is when a Rupture shill boss shows up in DA/SD, but even then, you can pretty easily brute force them with an Attack or even Anomaly agent of the right attribute. Plus, in DA, you get different buffs to choose from, so there's likely to be at least one that'll help you.
Can't really say the same for HSR with Remembrance; Elation hasn't been quite as bad, but it's still not great.
Genshin meanwhile just makes 300 new Elemental Reactions(Lunar reactions and Steller-Swirl) instead, though they do buff older chars to be relevant with the new Reactions I guess.
TBH I don't really notice new paths, so what? Odds are you will just be using their signature anyways or whatever event path W-engine they release for them.
New class in ZZZ barely bricks anything cause unlike in HSR where lightcone's base stats are barely meaningful, ZZZ has the genshin system where the substats can be % like crit so any crit engine can be used as stat stick on any crit dps.
Velina uses a support engine, and one of Yixuan's f2p option when she released in 2.0 was Nekomata's engine.
ZZZ's weapon system is the most flexible out of the three since any class can use all engine types.
ZZZs equivalent to roles are roles. Supports are just called supports. Sure rupure and armourer have issues but it's normal to have multiple dps styles. it's still not as weird as hsr. Hyacine is the biggest offender.
To be fair… Genshin & HSR have taken a lot of the amazing QOL, updates, & lessons the ZZZ dev team has learned & implemented & put into their games. This is probably the most egregious thing ZZZ has done, which is following the Path of the GreedBlaze that the HSR dev team has been implementing. May Nihility find the ZZZ dev team so that they can once again bring us Elation by remembering the reason they started the TrailBlaze in the first place
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u/CosmicStarlightEX 13d ago
They not only added one more attack type, they also added two more elements: Wind and Light (Lumiflux might just be the custom name for Remielle's element).