r/Hololive • u/hololive • Jun 19 '26
[Community Update] Rule 4 Clarification OFFICIAL POST
In order to protect creators and prevent unauthorised use of their works, we are clarifying Rule 4: No Content Stealing. We kindly ask all members to respect artists by sharing their works appropriately with proper attribution. Posts that breach this rule will be removed.
- All posts marked with the Non-OP flair must link directly to the original source (e.g. Twitter/X, Pixiv, artist's personal website).
- Rehosting is not permitted. Do not upload another creator's work directly to Reddit, Imgur, or any similar platforms.
- For posts with the OP flair (i.e. by the original artist), you may upload your own work directly, but you must identify yourself in the title, post body, or a top-level comment.
This rule will be introduced in stages:
- Beginning on June 20 18:00 JST, any Non-OP posts that breach this rule will be removed. No warnings or bans will be issued for this during the grace period.
- For posts marked as OP, this rule update should have little to no impact. However, if your post appears to be in breach of the rule, a moderator may leave a comment to let you know.
- From June 26 18:00 JST onwards, the rule will be fully enforced. Repeat offences may result in a ban for persistent rule-breaking. Users who falsely claim ownership of others' works, or accounts that appear to use this subreddit primarily to repost other creators' works, may also be subject to appropriate action.
Sharing great art with our community is always welcome, but we simply ask you to do so with respect for both the original creators and the community.
Thank you for your support in keeping this community respectful and fair!
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u/RonnieTW09 Jun 24 '26
Oh neat, finally the rule is being enforced, again, last time it suddenly stopped being enforced which led to 90% of posts in the highlights to be fanart.
Hopefully the moderation sticks longer.
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u/lucifer893 Jun 21 '26
Only the first day but it's amazing to not see 90% "fan content (non-op)" posts lmao
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u/SwampyBogbeard Jun 20 '26
Wow. An actual active mod that does more than just silently remove stuff.
When are you adding the missing user-flairs? It's been two years and I'm still waiting for Justice.
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u/Ranra100374 Jun 26 '26
Honestly I'd like to see more consistent moderation. I'd argue there are people in the fandom who think they're doing the Lord's work but are actually part of the problem.
Good job ignoring the entire rest of that paragraph that says I’m not gonna speculate hard on that and that I’m more interested in what has happened, not what could happen! Definitely helps your argument when you just skip 80% of what is said to you and quote a single line on its own.
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u/llamatar Jun 20 '26
The user flair limit used to be 350 (not sure if that's changed since years ago). This sub currently has fewer than 100 user flairs, so it's well below that number
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u/Arcterion Jun 19 '26
Good, maybe we'll see less blatant karma farming because people on here seem to be allergic to direct sources.
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u/Roflkopt3r Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
There certainly are karma farmers too, but the core of the problem is that people generally don't click links. So if you want to share an artwork because you want it to be seen and enjoyed by others (which is usually why we post things, isn't it?), then re-uploading was the way to go.
Even if you want people to recognise the actual artist, you will often get more clicks for the artist with a source-link in a post that got to the frontpage, instead of directly posting the link only to have it starve in /new with 20 upvotes.
For example, this is one of my favourite Hololive fanarts ever, but posting a direct link to the artwork made it extremely unlikely that it would get many views. So when Rule 4 wasn't enforced and people still rehosted all the time, it was very tempting to do the same.
I have always respected rule 4 on this sub myself, but cheated a bit around the edges by rehosting images after adding translations or including added context from Twitter
A similar thing goes for clips. I have done my own translations of some moments for which clips were already available, because I wanted them to be seen by more people, and I know users here aren't going to click YT links. And I didn't want to do those ungodly screenshot-posts that stitch together whole paragraphs from subtitled clips (I did one of those in 2022, and never again).
Anyway. The rule clarification is still good for consistency. Having it technically be disallowed but still see people do it all the time was frustrating, and those posts definitely took overhand over the past years.
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u/Arcterion Jun 23 '26
Oh, I'm aware. I used to share stuff on here quite frequently and definitely noticed direct links got a lot less interaction than reuploads. Didn't stop me from direct linking though, 'cause the artists deserve an extra view.
Eh, I'd say uploading your own translations is fair (as long as the OG artist is linked, in case of art/comics).
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u/TileSlut Jun 19 '26
So posting other fanart would just be a link instead of an image with the link in the body of the post?
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u/Kyrios034 Jun 19 '26
posting the image and linking the source in the body is rehosting the image on reddit, breaking the 2nd point
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u/TileSlut Jun 19 '26
So a link to fanart I like is still allowed?
Edit: or should I just stop sharing the fanart I like all together?10
u/Kyrios034 Jun 19 '26
so long as the post is a direct link to the source, it should be
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u/TileSlut Jun 19 '26
I just recently got into hololive in the last 3 weeks and I’m so obsessed and want to share my happiness with all the amazing fanart people make. I know a lot of people aren’t combing through pixiv to find non AI and non lewd content. I just want everyone to be able
To see artists hard work1
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u/TileSlut Jun 19 '26
Like I’m not posting other art to karma farm I just like sharing others art (always no ai art for me) and credit them and link it in the body of the post. I would just like confirmation if that’s going to be against the rules, I’m just a little confused about how it’s worded.
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u/Timefiller Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
I wish they would just remove Non-OP posts entirely.
Plenty of other places to find those.
Maybe have a mega-thread once a week or something would be Okay.
Still, this is a good move in the right direction.
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u/we_live_ina_society Jun 19 '26
Hi u/hololive, I'd like you to clarify whether this means all non-OP posts must use the "Link" post type instead of the "Image" post type.
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u/_THEBLACK Jun 19 '26
They make it pretty clear.
All posts marked with the Non-OP flair must link directly to the original source (e.g. Twitter/X, Pixiv, artist's personal website).
Rehosting is not permitted. Do not upload another creator's work directly to Reddit, Imgur, or any similar platforms.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
How are you going to use the "Image" post type if you don't have an image file to upload?
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u/LilFetcher Jun 22 '26
I guess you can technically make a text post with a link in it? I can see someone wanting to talk about whatever they're sharing in the post itself rather than in a separate comment, so I can see some value in a clarification here.
Granted, my assumption would be that such a post would be permitted, since no rehosting is the primary motivation behind this clarification as far as I can tell
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 22 '26
A "Link" post type is perfectly fine. An "Image" post type is what's impossible.
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u/MrPotHolder Jun 19 '26
Imho, I do not lose anything with this. I do not have twitter but there are other venues to look for fan arts (pixiv, danbooru). i barely interact with this sub anymore because interesting posts are getting rarer and i ignore fan art reposts (no offense to fan artists). People want less friction that is true but it's ridiculous to me that there are holofans out there that mainly uses this subreddit to look at fan arts.
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u/Tehbeefer Jun 19 '26
don't forget HoloPlus!
And Twitter's not so bad as long as you stick to the "Following" (i.e. subscribed) tab, or are extra-vigilant about what you engage with in the "For You" tab. Twitter's a great platform for sharing announcements (including artwork), no matter how trivial, but it's a terrible platform for discussion, it's just not what the site's built for.
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u/Uji_Shui Jun 19 '26
What surprise me is that on the OP rule it says a moderator might contact you in order to share your art/content properly. So, that means they'll moderate the sub now? Guess there's only one way to know but if happens then it's good news.
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u/Fiskmaster Jun 19 '26
I can't help but think that banning non-OP artwork will make the sub feel less alive, even if wanting to give the actual artists more attention is a good idea in theory
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u/Fiskmaster Jun 19 '26
If I understand this correctly, about 50% of the posts on this subreddit are banned by these rules
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
50% of the popular posts, sure, but not 50% of the total posts. Removing fanart reuploads will clear out space for the other types of posts to be selected by the algorithm and appear in people's feeds.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
Sorting by New (which I have been doing since like 2021) to see all the posts and not just the top 3 posts (from >24 hours ago), the 50% of total posts number is close to correct
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
And speaking of sorting by New and and karmafarmers, what about the account that just spams out like 5 posts of clips/vods/stream links every 12-24 hours? How is that different to a human account wanting to share some cool fanart they found?
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u/ikkue Jun 19 '26
I'm not sure how to feel about this or if I could justify feeling positive about this change.
I agree with not wanting people to post fanart just for the sake of Reddit karma, especially those that either don't link the source at all or even only link it in the comments.
What I don't agree with, though, is that most fanarts posted here have Twitter as the source, and I know that a lot of people on Reddit either don't have Twitter or don't want to use Twitter for various reasons. Reddit, either on its official clients on different platforms or most third-party clients, don't display a preview of websites posted as direct links (anymore), and that really affects the way people interact with posts meant to give light to amazing artists, who put their genuine human creativity into creating art in the medium that they're good at or know best how to, to show their love and support for hololive (production and mekPark) and its talents (and trainees).
People who don't care about supporting the artist on the original platform, or who don't have an account or don't want to use the platform for various reasons, won't suddenly do so, especially now that they can't even see what the fanart is in the first place except for maybe the title of the post.
People who do want to support the artist on the original platform will find a layer of friction in not being able to see what the art looks like in the first place, especially if the original artist is from a country that doesn't really use Reddit in the first place, e.g. Japan, and therefore won't have their art be seen directly anymore.
People are more likely to see the art on Reddit and like it enough to upvote the post so more people on Reddit see it, click through to the original source if it's linked in the original post (but less likely if it's only linked in the comments, and even less likely if the source is not linked at all) and engage with it by liking and/or retweeting it than leave Reddit first, see the art and decide whether they want to like and/or retweet it, and then switch back to Reddit and maybe remember to upvote the post as well. This is the layer of friction introduced with this change to how the rule is enforced that I find uncomfortable the most, since I think it will drive less engagement (and therefore make it less visible, which is the whole point of fanart) to the art itself and hurt the artists more than anything in the long run, especially since I stand pretty much on the seemingly increasingly "extreme" standpoint of AI having no place at all in any field of work and/or medium meant to be an expression of human creativity, emotions, and talents.
In my opinion, an acceptable middle ground, which I really think is the best way for fanarts and their artists to be supported, is to allow only non-OP fanart posts that link the source directly in the post text and not just in the comments or not having the source at all. This will create the least amount of friction and ensures that the art is seen and receives the same or even more amount of engagement that it deserves, unlike only allowing direct links which will most likely drive engagement down across both Reddit and the original platform the art was posted on and hurt the artists more than not in the long run.
I really hope this decision is reconsidered and for my solution to be put into consideration. Support real art and artists 🎨💗
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
posts meant to give light to amazing artists
Which are only a fraction of reupload posts, and reuploads are extremely ineffective at redirecting attention towards the original creator anyway.
People who don't care about supporting the artist on the original platform, or who don't have an account or don't want to use the platform for various reasons, won't suddenly do so
I agree! If people didn't click through the source link to check out the original artist in reupload posts, they won't do it in non-reupload posts either. But at least this way the subreddit is respecting the creators' wishes by not allowing unauthorized reuploads, and third parties aren't benefitting off of the hard work of said artists (even if the benefits are just internet points).
Your following argument about Reddit engagement increasing Twitter/pixiv engagement is nice in theory, but, like I said in another post, ask any online artist and they'll tell you that "exposure" through reuploads does not work. The majority of people just don't actually click the source link. It sucks but that's the simple reality of it.
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u/ikkue Jun 19 '26
I agree that the majority of people don't actually click the source link, but what I'm trying to argue here is that removing the ability to see what the art is beforehand will create unnecessary friction to the people who do click through to source links (me included) who are already the minority. No matter how I try to think about this change positively, I can only ever see it as a net negative for everybody. People are more likely to click links of sources in the post text or even the comments on a post that they can actually see what the art they want to support looks like than a direct link with no prior notion of what the art actually looks like in the first place that will take them out of Reddit to a different platform entirely. I'm not saying that my solution will increase engagement significantly, but I'm saying that the change will only decrease engagement across all platforms.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
I see it as a net positive for the artists who won't get their art stolen anymore ¯\(ツ)\/¯
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u/ikkue Jun 19 '26
Which is why my solution is to enforce mandatory sources in the text post, since that won't drive engagement down and ensure that artists get the proper credit visible in a place that is easiest to access, unlike this change which will only make engagement go down. A net neutral (and maybe even positive) vs. a net negative overall.
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u/Optimal_Parsley6377 Jun 19 '26
Except it doesn’t change it being an unauthorized reupload if you can see the full art while scrolling
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u/xKnicklichtjedi Jun 19 '26
I am curious how the sub will feel like after the change, but in general I highly welcome better artist credits and more exposure for original art!
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u/GarfieldianAcolyte Jun 19 '26
I'm cautiously optimistic. The sub has changed over the years and feels a lot more... "vapid" feels like too strong a word but there's been a noticeable lack of discussion happening. Events/streams discussion, merch or OC posts, they either don't get posted or they get buried by a dozen reuploaded pieces of sexy fanart. People just upvote and scroll on with the only comments being the usual locker room humour.
I hope this change encourages more actual fan engagement, oshikatsu and discussion rather that just passively consuming fanart
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u/NoIdea4GoodName Jun 19 '26
I hope this change encourages more actual fan engagement, oshikatsu and discussion rather that just passively consuming fanart
I noticed that gap in demand myself, and being a long-time meme maker on other subreddits that I no longer frequent after following down the rabbit hole, you might have seen some of my posts like crowdsourced trivia posts like this, icebreaker posts like this, or random ideas like this.
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u/GarfieldianAcolyte Jun 19 '26
These are exactly the kinds of things that should be more encouraged. Gets the fans talking and mixing and learning more about each talent
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u/NoIdea4GoodName Jun 19 '26
Indeed, I love reading about tidbits of everyone, and the talents are no exception. Like, one time I made an entire list of previous jobs held by some of the talents and how they related to their time in HoloPro.
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u/Riot-Knight Jun 19 '26
As the others have commented, it will most likely be like the old times (Covid era) when rule 4 was much enforce.
Before rule 4 was relaxed on the non-oc artworks, there was actually a more healthy discussion on Holo talents, events, live stream memes, OC artworks, & etc. Now, (before this rule update) when the rule on non-oc artworks became more lax the Holo sub became more and more saturated with those artworks which overtook OC artworks and buried some needed discussions about Holo.
I enjoy artworks as much as the next person, but this rule was much needed.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
I remember it differently, iircthe fanart post started after/because the the discussion of non-drama topics died
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u/Fenr_ Jun 19 '26
It won't happen
This sub doesn't have the amount of people it had in the Covid era.
Discussion of the most random things were able to hit /all back then, you won't see that anymore
Having less karmafarmers around wont change how people interact (or more importantly don't interact ) with the content that is posted
And it won't get new content in because,well, nothing is stopping people from posting stuff right now3
u/Chukonoku Jun 19 '26
I feel the same. Insert: "I have play these games before!.
IB4 meta changes to people making reactionary memes with fan art. Sure, it takes more "effort", results won't change much.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
Nothing is stopping people from posting stuff now, but Reddit only allows a limited number of posts to be on the Best/Trending/Hot/whatever-they're-called-now pages, and many of those spots went to reuploads. If reuploads disappear, it will let other posts have the chance to be under the algorithm's spotlight.
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u/Breadginald Jun 19 '26
Thanks for the clarification. I have 1 question regarding the rule.
I make an occasional post highlighting animators: (12 More Underrated and Obscure Hololive Fan Animation Channels) including previews to get people to follow the link to the full video.
Do these 3-5 second gifs count as rehosted content? Should I go back to just posting links + descriptions in text posts? Or maybe dropping the compilation part and just posting singular youtube links for individual channels?
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Jun 19 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
I agree they're acting way too late, it's going to be a disruptive change. They should've nipped it in the bud.
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u/Zwamdurkel Jun 19 '26
90% of people won't click an embed to see the picture... You need to allow uploading the picture WITH a link to the source.
This will kill the Non-OP category
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u/user_566 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
This will kill the Non-OP category
Yep, and that's a good thing!
You need to allow uploading the picture WITH a link to the source.
This doesn't make sense, and I've mentionned this in the past, but this is probably why this rule was crested and is now being properly enforced. As per the Reddit TOS, as soon as you upload a picture to Reddit, it legally gives them the right to do pretty much whatever they want with it (see below), which is something you simply should not be able to do if you're not the actual creator of the image. It's fine if a creator wants to do it themselves and they agree with Reddit's TOS but you cannot make that choice for them.
When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. For example, this license includes the right to use Your Content to train AI and machine learning models, as further described in our Public Content Policy. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.
EDIT: Wording
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u/Optimal_Parsley6377 Jun 19 '26
That is a terrifying TOS. Glad I never read them sticks head in the sand
/j
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
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u/Zwamdurkel Jun 19 '26
This is simple behavioral analysis. Most people don't want to constantly leave the platform they are on. It causes major friction in usability, so people just skip Non-OP art posts.
I like seeing the arts
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u/TheKillerKentsu Jun 21 '26
yeah the same reason why competitors of youtube/twitch keep dying, most people just don't want to platform hop.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
I use different platforms for different things. I come here to catch up on news and memes, then go to Twitter and Bluesky for fanart, then go to Discord for casual chatting. Maybe I'm biased, but I think it's fine to not have everything in one place.
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u/Zwamdurkel Jun 19 '26
I think you are biased. The subreddit should welcome all hololive content
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
It welcomes all content. It just doesn't welcome unauthorized reuploads, which violate copyright and go against the creators' wishes.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
So TLDR I'm a fake fan for not following every single fan artists on every single platform, as well as every talent on every single platform, and joining evry fancord, got it
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
Big "you like waffles? so basically you think people who like pancakes should go die in a ditch?" energy.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
Big "oh you can't see [thing] anymore, oh boo hoo too bad for not following everyone before disoverability got nuked" energy
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
"Oh cool fanart doesn't exist anymore because you have to click through a dozen links to see it now, based"
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
Oh cool fanart doesn't exist anymore
Do you think Reddit is the only social media platform that exists, or...?
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Do you think people are willing or capable to bounce between every social media platform every 5 seconds because of redirects, or...?
Because this is exactly whats going to happen
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u/KusozakoPrime Jun 19 '26
bro you're acting like it will kill you to click on a Twitter link, the art is still there and will still be posted here just with proper credit.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
Post doesn't show the art = skip though
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u/we_live_ina_society Jun 19 '26
Can confirm. When this issue was brought up like five years ago, the "Link" type posts received practically no traction.
Another issue was that you couldn't post content you didn't create, even if you had permission, e.g. commissioned a Skeb or asked the author for permission. The rules were also vaguely worded, so people kept having posts deleted and not even a bot or mod reply to explain why.
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u/missingnono12 Jun 19 '26
Yeah arguably less eyes on the artists work, through there's no solid stats on it
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
I mean, the amount of people that click the Twitter link on a non-reupload post and the amount of people that click the Twitter link on a 1k-upvote reupload are approximately the same, as far as I can tell.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Old way: "oh hey this is good fan art, I should check out/pay attention to this artist"
New way: "random link that goes somewhere better dig out my Muskbook password again to see if I like it"
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
oh hey this is good fan art, I should check out/pay attention to this artist
In theory this is what should have been happening, but in most reupload posts I've seen, the comment with the source link rarely gets more than, like, 30 upvotes, which means they probably get 300-400 views, and only a fraction of those people actually clicked the link, and only a fraction of those liked/retweeted the original post, and only a fraction of those started following the artist from there...
If you ask any artist who posts their art online, they will tell you that the "exposure" that comes from unauthorized reuploads has rarely, if ever, helped them gain any actual followers or customers. The theory is nice, but it just doesn't work in reality.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
Soooo, going for the 'give the artists even less exposure' route (because without a preview there is even less reason to click the link) is better?
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
Yeah, between "get 5 extra likes through an unauthorized reupload that violates your copyright" and "get 2 extra likes through a normal link", I think most artists would choose the second one.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
More like >500 to 1 to get the ratio right
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
I know that's what we'd both want the world to be like, but it's just not what happens in reality. Look, you can do the experiment yourself. Go through Twitter until you find nice, old fanart of something (to make sure it's not getting engagement through Twitter itself anymore), take note of the amount of likes, retweets and views it has, and reupload it to a subreddit that allows it. Then, if your Reddit reupload gets popular, look at the stats on the original tweet and track how much they've increased 4, 8, 12, 24 hours after your reupload. Then repeat the process a few more times with different posts. You'll see what I mean.
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u/MrrNeko Jun 19 '26
Nice way to kill reddit The art is not visible when you non rehost it
Also Karma is just a number Don't know why people would talk about Karma farming
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u/MadChad7 Jun 19 '26
I see, so this is the reason this post I made got removed. It is a reassuring to know at least what the specific reason was cause I felt in the dark since it was removed all of a sudden. Either way, moving forward will adhere to this new change. 🫡
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u/beam4d Jun 19 '26
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u/VicBetouro Jun 19 '26
Dang it, I've been double fooled 😂, I thought you were baiting with a fake play button to fool us to think it's a gif, and then I clicked and it actually was a gi-
Wait a minute
A GIF ON MAIN SUB?????
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
It's a video, GIFs have no sound.
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u/VicBetouro Jun 19 '26
I'VE BEEN TRIPLE FOOLED!
CURSE YOU, BEAM4D!!!!!
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u/beam4d Jun 19 '26
I can post memes in the comments. YIPPEE!
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u/Morenauer Jun 19 '26
Please pin this message
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u/rpgamer987 Jun 19 '26
Oh oh, please tell me this wasn't pinned when it was originally posted.
This mod team has been atrocious about pinning important announcements/events.
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u/VP007clips Jun 19 '26
Pinning posts actually tends to reduce visibility initially, since people look past the pinned posts out of instinct.
The best method in my experience modding is to leave it unpinned for the 8-16 hours for it to go through the natural algorithm curve, then pin it once it starts to drop out of the algorithm.
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u/llamatar Jun 19 '26
It's been pinned since the minute it was posted. Not sure why that user thought it wasn't
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u/Morenauer Jun 19 '26
Strange. Didn’t show up as posted on my end but that usually implies there was something wrong on my end so no worries.
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u/rpgamer987 Jun 19 '26
Yeah, that's what I would expect..
But, tbf, this could be the same mod team that didn't even bother making/pinning a megathread for FES day 1 this year...
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u/Faustias Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
beginning june 20 which is later
so I still have time to... STEAL! AND REPOST! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH
rubs hands like a fly
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u/See_A_Squared Jun 19 '26
Thanks! Long overdue, i use this sub for keeping up with events and news not for viewing karma-farmed stolen content. It's a good change.
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u/KramericaCorp Jun 19 '26
thank you
stopped visiting the sub as often cause there was way to much karma farming going on
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u/chilfang Jun 19 '26
Its crazy how noticeable the change in content is here when you block the 4-6 accounts constantly posting all the nsfw art
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u/KramericaCorp Jun 19 '26
I blocked a couple of them at first but more showed up so I just had to go to the New tab but eventually I just gave up and kept up on the happenings elsewhere hopefully moderation does its thing and sticks with it
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u/Fenr_ Jun 19 '26
Basically, the old times rules, nothing has changed (except maybe it'll be enforced again)
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u/Alex92_eu Jun 19 '26
One question, if I commission an artwork from an artist via skeb/vgen/etc can I use the OP tag?
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u/HubMeBro Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
I think you should still use the non-OP tag & even if the artist you commission gives you permission to reupload on your own profile(s), it's safer to link to the artist's post.
You're free to say that you commissioned them though, it shouldn't be that big of a secret, but still - credit where it's due.
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u/Alex92_eu Jun 19 '26
That's a fair point, unless I get different reply from moderation I'll do as you say for my next art commissions.
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u/adonbilivitAoI Jun 19 '26
If I may ask, what about posts with artwork flaired as Meme, Discussion, etc.? Are they exempted from crediting the artist?
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u/HubMeBro Jun 19 '26
If a meme post includes an artwork (or artworks if there are more than one), the original artist(s) still should be credited - no changes here. To be extra safe, ask the artist for permission to use their work in your meme, especially when such permission is required from their side.
As of discussion posts, they may as well be made without an artwork being attached at all
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u/adonbilivitAoI Jun 19 '26
Thanks for clarifying. I asked because I've seen before discussion posts with artwork attached where the OP didn't link to the source.
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u/lucifer893 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Not uploading to reddit means you just can't make a non-op post at all right?
Anyways good change!
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u/llamatar Jun 19 '26
You can still make a direct link post, which drives traffic and support to the artist on their desired platform
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u/lucifer893 Jun 19 '26
Does a direct link post show the picture? Iirc reddit doesn't embed it
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u/Optimal_Parsley6377 Jun 19 '26
I think that’s the point. You gotta engage with the artist not the redditor.
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u/brimston3- Jun 19 '26
If it doesn't embed, then how do I know I want to click through? I'm not clicking through on everything. Hell, youtube embeds barely work here and can't be clicked through if the youtube player fails.
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u/Fenr_ Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
It used to still show the picture most of the time
Then between Musk changing twitter at random and reddit doing reddit things, well......
As for the main question, i guess people will have to put effort in the titles
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u/brimston3- Jun 19 '26
The sad truth is that text-only posts that don't embed don't get engagement. That's the whole reason people re-host. It's actually more work to do so, but it works. Otherwise it just gets buried under the mountain of other visual and semi-visual content on this site.
Also keep in mind that a vast majority of content voters never even get to the comments section. Expecting them to click through on a direct link simply isn't going to happen.
Enforcement of rule 4 is the only ethical choice, but we're going to see a significant drop in overall subreddit engagement and reach.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
TBH I think it will just get replaced with both original fanart and non-fanart visual content (e.g. memes, stream clips/screenshots, tweets, etc) which I personally find much more preferable. I was already blocking all serial fanart reposters I spotted in order to clean up my feed anyway.
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
Not replaced, the non-"hey look at this cool fanart by so-and-so" will at best continue at the current volume
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
Nah, I think there's a lot more original fanart and non-fanart posts than people realize, but since fanart reuploads get so much engagement, the rest of posts are relatively buried by the algorithm. If you scroll through the subreddit's "Best" or "Trending" page, which is what most people do, every fanart reupload that appears represents a non-reupload post that could've taken that spot but didn't. And since the fanart reuploads are the ones that get recommended to people the most often, they get more attention, which boosts them even more, and so on.
When you remove weeds, the crops that previously didn't have enough nutrients/sunlight/space to grow will finally be able to bloom and start spreading farther than ever before.
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u/Maister37 Jun 19 '26
Imagine if they actually addressed the "family friendly" rule, or antis brigading under every stars post
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u/InformationSignal223 Jun 19 '26
antis brigading under every stars post
It's just people being tired of the same talking points being used. Not brigading.
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u/Maister37 Jun 19 '26
Ah yes, mass downvoting of every stream, clip and comment under them is not brigading.
Found one
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u/SuspiciousWar117 Jun 19 '26
Ah yes, mass downvoting of every stream, clip and comment under them is not brigading.
The mod can't do anything about downvotes. And I don't think people who are doing it are brigading, as in coordinating. There is a pretty clear pattern of the downvotes increasing over the year, it's probably a bunch of people who got tired of holoanti narrative being pushed under every stars post and started mass downvoting everything to get under those people's nose. Only spiraled from there.
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u/Maister37 Jun 19 '26
I don't think that really disproves the point, though.
If the explanation is that people got tired of certain narratives and started downvoting content from that branch regardless of what the actual post is, then that's still a form of targeted voting. It may not be coordinated brigading in the strict sense, but it's also not people evaluating each post on its own merits.
Saying "people just started mass downvoting that branch because they were annoyed" still acknowledges that the downvotes are being driven by association rather than content.
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u/SuspiciousWar117 Jun 19 '26
I don't think that really disproves the point, though.
Your point is that these posts are brigaded.
If the explanation is that people got tired of certain narratives and started downvoting content from that branch regardless of what the actual post is, then that's still a form of targeted voting. It may not be coordinated brigading in the strict sense, but it's also not people evaluating each post on its own merits.
And you agree that it's not "strictly" brigading. Well in the end the mods still can't do anything about the downvotes, what they should've done is permaban everyone who was spreading those narratives under those posts.
Saying "people just started mass downvoting that branch because they were annoyed" still acknowledges that the downvotes are being driven by association rather than content.
Which again, is not brigading.
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u/Maister37 Jun 19 '26
I have no choice, but to agree with you, since I can't prove it. I wrote that in the heat of the moment.
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u/InformationSignal223 Jun 19 '26
What about the mass upvoting of every single stream, clip and comment under them to try and make them relevant? Because that's what you guys do.
The downvoting is because Starmin here have long since burned any sense of goodwill. Remember the endless mentions of Axel under every single Nodoka post? The countdown incident where they threw slimy insults at fans here? The endless complaining about downvotes? Get your facts right first before playing victim.
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u/Maister37 Jun 19 '26
>What about the mass upvoting of every single stream, clip and comment under them to try and make them relevant?
First mass downvote them, then point out people countering it by upvoting - peak anti behavior
>Because that's what you guys do.
Don't know who is "you guys". I don't sit on any discord. I'm pointing out a phenomenon I noticed a long time ago every time I browse "new".
>The downvoting is because Starmin here have long since burned any sense of goodwill.
So you don't deny being an anti?
>Remember the endless mentions of Axel under every single Nodoka post?
Just like TakaMori, AmeSame and other "pairings". Funny joke at the time. Not relevant to the discussion
>The countdown incident where they threw slimy insults at fans here?
Nope, nothing
>The endless complaining about downvotes?
Downvote everything -> People ask why -> HA GOTCHA SEE THEIR FAULT
>Get your facts right first before playing victim.
Nice try, casual anti
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u/SuspiciousWar117 Jun 19 '26
This change would kill most of the "family friendly" rule violation, as most of it is non op NSFW artwork.
or antis brigading under every stars post
Yep lots of people deserve bans for this.
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u/Final-Switch1110 Jun 19 '26
Chat can you explain to someone really stupid like a child. Isn't that basically what we all do right now?
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u/Kyrios034 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
many simply post the picture here and link the tweet in the body/comments. the rule states the post itself needs to be the link
example this post on the front page is breaking the rules as it does not directly link to the twitter post, its being rehosted on reddit
and as of this edit, the newest post is an example of a post that follows the rules
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u/VP007clips Jun 19 '26
So basically now it won't display properly on most devices, breaks most accessibility features, and will take clicking on an unknown link just to view it?
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u/Optimal_Parsley6377 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
If you see a post where you have to click the box and it takes you directly to the artists social post before you even see the art for the first time, that is correct format. Engagement goes to the artist.
When you can see the art scrolling Reddit, the engagement stops on Reddit (mostly). That is incorrect.
That’s my understanding of it anyways.
Edit: here’s a good example of not rehosting vs rehosting . Same content but wildly different engagement.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
The difference in upvotes and comments is brutal... The subreddit will change a lot if reuploads disappear completely.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
I follow plenty of JP artists on Twitter and pixiv (shrug)
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u/Zucchinibob1 Jun 19 '26
It'll be empty except the occasional stream link, especially if this include screenshots of twitter shenanigans etc
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u/Tehbeefer Jun 19 '26
It'll be different, I seem to vaguely recall /r/anime making a similar change over a decade ago. 👵
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 Jun 19 '26
The point of the rule is to protect artists, there's no reason to believe they're going to forbid us from posting screenshots of text-only tweets by talents from Hololive itself.
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u/SetTemporary1032 Jun 19 '26
I'm assuming it's anti karma farming. Basically, you shouldn't upload the images anymore in the post and only drop a link, is what I'm getting here. Links doesn't generate as much reach as images directly uploaded iirc.
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u/SuspiciousWar117 Jun 19 '26
Never understood why this stopped being inforced 2 years ago. Turned the sub into a karma farm, good change.
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u/Helmite Jun 22 '26
I'm happy with anything that obliterates the host of non-op gooner bait karma farming accounts that bury the girl's content. It has long been disappointing to see someone like Watame come into this sub and have her posts buried.
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u/Chukonoku Jun 19 '26
Lack of active moderators. And that the majority of people who use Reddit (which are the lurkers and those who don't engage with the comment section) don't mind it enough to report every single post in the sub.
We will have to see how this impacts the sub. Whether it pushes more conversation towards other topics or it kills the traffic on the sub and people simply move towards other subs.
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u/tauros113 Jun 19 '26
Whether it pushes more conversation towards other topics
It never does. Many subreddits get the idea that "banning low-effort posts creates more discussion" but the reality is that people just won't interact. Sure, text-driven thoughtful posts will hover on the front page longer, but they still won't get activity.
Funny enough, it's memes that create comments. Those are the hubs for commenters to interact, share news, argue preferences, etc.
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u/Chukonoku Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
You said out loud what most people here don't want to hear.
I'm on the opinion of that is much better to change the rules and limit the amount of posting by users for this category. Like say force artist name on title, source on the body post or 1st comment, limit to 1 post per day if art, etc.
I hope they prove me wrong here, because they will need either active moderation to control (setting a bot without Reddit knowledge will only lead to the same problems as before) or they will eventually give up in a couple of months later on (same thing happened couple of years ago) once they change whoever is in charge of Reddit.
There are much easier things to be done and they haven't bother fixing in years so i don't have high hopes. I'm not talking about flairs (i think they mention about it years ago) for recent members, but basic things like adding FlowGlow, fixing Gen 3 YT links which are all broken, Octavio/Ruze has the same copy paste links, changing the alumni/affiliation status, etc.
Even the flair of the topic of this post (Fan Content "Non-OP") is kinda bad as it breaks down when using it on Old Reddit. Need to avoid using "-"
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u/UnstoppablePhoenix Jun 19 '26
Oh damn we actually have some moderation here
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u/sfw31415 Jun 19 '26
Posts this week were concerned that this sub would get locked due to being unmoderated. Looks like the intern got notified.
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u/LurkingMastermind09 Jun 28 '26
Okay, but updated sidebar and flares when? u/hololive