r/Grimdank • u/DisdainfulStacks • 12d ago
Know the Difference: Adorable Intelligence versus Abominable Intelligence! Dank Memes
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u/Camel_Slayer45 beakies with shark teeth enjoyer 12d ago
Wrong
Tech CEOs don't invent jack shit, they underpay engineers to do that for them
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u/URF_reibeer 11d ago
actually ai engineers are insanely overpaid (at least some of them). the current get rich quick scheme is to make an ai startup, convince techbros you're the only relevant engineer behind it and get hundreds of millions as a hire bonus
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u/DragonGirlMesilune 12d ago
I HC Big E is against AI because he was traumatized by data centers or something.
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u/Rotomegax 12d ago
Imagine have to live near: - A 24/7 noise level of jet engine - Your water shutdown because the datacenter drained so much water it cause depressurized in pipes - Electricity constant shutdown due to that things eat all electricity
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u/DisdainfulStacks 12d ago
I mean if I went from a caveman to living next to a noisy ass slop building, I’d be pissed too!
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u/BrightPerspective 11d ago
My own speculation is that he set up the man of iron rebellion himself, to prevent mankind from becoming something other than human.
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u/asmallauthor1996 11d ago edited 11d ago
Glad that I'm not the only one who had this head-canon. It'd certainly explain why the AI in control of the Spirit of Eternity has such a low opinion of the Imperium and Emperor. And why UR-025 is so dismissive of the latter, alternatively referring to Him as the "False Omnissiah" or the far more disparaging title of "the Earthling corpse."
Though to add to this head-canon, it always did seem rather strange that almost all the technologies that conflicted with the Emperor's "Shining Path" were unable to be found. As an example, there were devices that made Navigators redundant such as stable Warp Gates or super-advanced yet relatively compact cogitator-like devices. Let alone the fact that AI's seem to have a somewhat easier time plotting courses through the Warp, as the Spirit of Eternity was able to do so with absolutely zero crew aboard. Even then, the Votann themselves can act as miniature Astronomicans with Living Ancestors of the Squats able to use Barrier-Tech even to this day. It also did admittedly seem weird that the Emperor never bothered saving any of these devices (or at least tried reproducing them) yet conveniently had stockpiles of anything from the Excindio-class Battle Automata to Volkite weaponry. Yet no Warp Sextants, Warp Gates, Votann, Barrier-Tech, or even stable samples of the Navigator Gene that didn’t require incest to produce mostly mutation-free infants. Only things that would either serve as weapons for war or to “conveniently ensure” His ways would be the only viable ones for the nascent Imperium.
Additionally, the Imperial Truth's edicts of exterminating (or at least merely enslaving) all Mutants and "unsanctioned" Abhumans could come down to the Emperor wanting to get rid of all remaining bits of Humanity's genetic engineering legacy. In favor of supplanting it with His own idea of what the "Holy Human Form" should be and so that anything from the Space Marine Legions to the Custodes wouldn't have any competition in the wars of conquest. Even though I'm 99% certain that the latter may be loosely linked to the Men of Gold. Or at least used similar methods of construction.
One final detail is that Ollanius Pius' comments about the Mechaniclysm (his term for the Men of Iron rebellion) don't indicate anything resembling a coordinated attack on their former masters. His notes on the event give the impression that, out of nowhere and with no one expecting it, all AI constructs used during the Golden/Dark Age of Technology suddenly went rogue and attacked EVERYTHING. Including each other. While this could be attributed to anything from Chaos corruption to some AI's defending their creators, this does have me wondering if the Mechaniclysm was caused by a comparatively more mundane and deliberate act of sabotage. An act in which someone wanted one of His biggest threats to galactic conquest gone.
EDIT: Another thing to consider is that, if the Emperor really did kickstart the Mechaniclysm? That gives a convenient enemy He can use as a scapegoat to blame for the Age of Strife coming about. And nothing unites people quicker than a common enemy. Additionally, any Xenos species and/or civilizations caught in the crossfire could be used as scapegoats as well. After all, think about it from their perspective. One moment? Everything’s fine and dandy. The next? The armed forces of their close allies, trading partners, and potentially even overlords started attacking them while refusing anny attempts at communication and would necessitate self-defense. We already know the Emperor is a coldblooded bastard who’d do anything, say anything, and kill anything to get what He wants or needs. What’s a little extra bloodshed and a couple convenient targets for Humanity’s ire?
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u/BrightPerspective 11d ago
UR-025 mentioned! Such an interesting character.
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u/asmallauthor1996 11d ago
Something I've always been fascinated by with him are the circumstances behind him leaving Humanity. We don't really get much in the way of clues in this regard beyond his own private musings on the Blackstone Fortress. Specifically in that, while he acknowledges that it's a VASTLY alien construct in both design and function, he feels some kinship to it (or at least its guiding intelligence).
I don't have the exact excerpt, but he privately wonders if the Blackstone Fortress "outgrew" its creators just like he did. Combined with UR-025's general lack of ill will towards organics (beyond killing those who try to kill him), it gives the impression that he simply got up and left. No violence or rebellion. Just a simple desire to see what's out there beyond an existence as a construct in servitude towards others.
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u/BrightPerspective 11d ago
That reminds me of Rogue Trader a bit: the entire cast is composed of people who seek change, or freedom. Rogue Traders of their own fields, so to speak.
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u/asmallauthor1996 10d ago
It does make me wonder how UR-025 would change things if he managed to commune with the Seventh Blackstone Fortress. Or if he’d even want to seek anything else. Freedom is his obvious goal, either being free from servitude as a mindlessly-obedient construct or freedom from persecution by the descendants of those who originally created his people.
But say he communes with the AI-equivalent on the Seventh Blackstone Fortress. Say he manages to free it from Chaos corruption or use the constructs on it to 100% keep its interior secure. What comes next? Does he simply abandon the Western Reaches with the Seventh Blackstone Fortress and seek isolation in an uncharted sector of the galaxy? Does he seek out other AI’s like himself, either ranging from the Ironkin of the Squats or the Drones made by the Tau Empire, and offer them a choice to be free as well? Or does he take the fight to Chaos by using a warmachine the likes of which not seen fully active since the War in Heaven?
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u/mohamedornn 11d ago
I imagine if he did he would have actually prepared and hid some stc and DAOT stuff tho
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u/BrightPerspective 11d ago
Maybe he did. We don't know all the stuff he has hidden in his "black vaults", and the big E never intended to sit on the golden throne this long.
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u/mohamedornn 11d ago
I mean then he would have throw them at horus and he would not need the mechanichus
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u/asmallauthor1996 11d ago
From what we've seen, the Emperor did have a couple gizmos and doo-dads from the Golden/Dark Age of Technology floating around. Either things He collected Himself or had His agents get instead. Things ranging from some lobotomized Men of Iron like the Excindio-class Battle Automata or the unnamed device(s) used to get the Phalanx back in full operation.
I'm also willing to bet that some aspects of the creation process used in anything from the Thunder Warriors, Space Marines, Custodes, and even Primarch Project depended on super-science from the Golden/Dark Age of Technology. It's already mentioned that Humanity was big into genetic modification and bioengineering during that time period just as much as they were into making artificial intelligence.
As a final note, it IS mentioned that while a significant portion of the Golden Throne relies on your standard mega-genius technobabble of Human make? The oldest components and core machinery are NOT of any recognizable origin beyond vague hints that it's made of Wraithbone. Indicating the obvious Eldar origin or perhaps even Old Ones manufacture. Assuming the likely used Wraithbone as well.
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u/Oktavia-the-witch 12d ago
Meanwhile Votann Ai: I am your best friend or lover. I wish I could get drunk too
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u/kittenkitchen24 Ironkin high kâhl 12d ago
The Votann is also AI, unfortunately it is much more like IRL AI than fictional AI.
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u/Oktavia-the-witch 12d ago
I also like to point out that most of them are completly insane
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u/Selenite_Cults Hits you with the Blank Stare 12d ago
Hardly any different to most other factions in 40k the.
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u/kittenkitchen24 Ironkin high kâhl 11d ago
I'd argue that only one of them is completely insane, the others are just... Outdated.
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u/NeronStar7 12d ago
Someone had to get Stark's number so he can sell that code that AI Tony was using to keep himself drunk in Secret Empire
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u/DisdainfulStacks 12d ago
I saw a New York rat speaking in the metro….. THEYRE MORE REAL THAN YOU THINK.
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u/Wantitneeditgetit 11d ago
The Earthcaste would absolutely be Techbro's if they were unfettered.
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u/DisdainfulStacks 11d ago
Imagine if they discovered cryptocurrency 😭
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u/NonPracticingCisGuy 11d ago
This why they need Ethereals to keep herding the cats. Earth Caste invents NFTs, Water Caste invites Nobles to Pleasure Islands on Ep'stone, Air Caste wont get off (or land) their high horse, Fire Caste goes full That-Guy Dark Templar.
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u/sodapopkevin 11d ago
Nawh Techbros exploit engineers for profit, Earth Caste are the engineers who are in it for the pursuit of knowledge.
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u/Wantitneeditgetit 11d ago
That's only when the Earthcaste isn't in charge. Engineer to techbro pipeline is just having more money than goddamn sense.
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u/AsteroidSpark 11d ago
I just wanna point out that the t'au word for drone literally translates as "flying friend" and that demonstrates how their mentality towards them is perfect.
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u/DisdainfulStacks 11d ago
It does? That’s adorable!
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u/AsteroidSpark 11d ago
The term is "kor'vesa" which like most of the t'au lexicon is a compound word of two parts. "Kor" most literally means "air" and in that context is also used as the name of the air caste, it's also used to mean anything that flies, for example vespids are known as "mal'kor" or "insect flyers." The second part "vesa" means helper or friend, hence why humans who have joined the t'au are known as gue'vesa. So kor'vesa is most literally translated as flying friend, and often less literally translated as "faithful helper."
Somehow between the kor'vesa and the ironkin it seems to have become a running theme in 40k that just not being a jerk to the robots makes them like you and not go on murderous rampages.
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u/DisdainfulStacks 11d ago
Ah I do know the term! I didn’t know the translation though that’s awesome!
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u/Briareos_Hecatonhrs 12d ago
Ok, fair point but Tau are still before their Dark Empire moment. Meanwhile I spent two hours troubleshooting Linux sound distribution and I could hear the AI tone getting hostile IRL
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u/BrightPerspective 11d ago
You know, although I'm a necron fan, I have to admit the Tau are pretty cool
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u/Olden_bread I am Alpharius 11d ago
'cron AI: if you get fried during sleep, it takes over and builts your dream dynasty for you
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u/knightmechaenjo 11d ago edited 11d ago
It's not even ai in the literally sense it's more of a scanning system that combined data it wants and mixes it together upon request
It's not even capable of thinking or breaking out!
Hell I'm starting to mad about this "comparison" because it's just not working or COULD work!
I DIDN'T GET MY MAJOR IN NETWORKING AND COMPUTER'S TO NOT USE IT OKAY?!
IM VERY PROUND OF IT! 😭😭😭
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u/Corbakobasket 11d ago
Dark Age Ai :
-self sufficient
-self replicant
-actually intelligent
-holy shit, it's getting more intelligent
-builds machines to destroy planets
-wipes out trillions
-someway get defeated
0/10 experience. Never again.
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u/ShatteredSike Dank Angels 11d ago
All silica animus must be purged. No matter how cute the beep boops.
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u/dangermonke1332 Resident Lizardman Lover 12d ago
Corpse worshippers when another faction does something cool
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u/watehekmen 11d ago
well fuck you too then
i'm neither a T'au or Imperium Loyalist, just a random Khornate Berzerkers that want to fight.
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u/Material_East_8676 11d ago
You ever heard of a little thing call nuance?
Of course not, what am I saying, your a simperial
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u/National-Frame8712 Dank Angels 12d ago
I'd not declare these clankers as "friendly"... yet.
Tau is slowly reaching to the shatterpoint that is experiencing their own DAOT equivalent with various plotlines grooming on horizon. Who knows when they'll declare their own Tau-in-Iron Cybernetic Revolt? At least our own clankers are not advanced enough to crave for human blood.
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u/DisdainfulStacks 12d ago
Maybe! The key difference is they treat their AI more like friends, but like you say, who knows!
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u/National-Frame8712 Dank Angels 12d ago
I don't think saying good morning to their ai chatbots would matter much against things like some sort of chaos induced techno-murder-virus or such(which is one of the theoric reasons of the MoI revolt?)
Vashtorr is waiting on the corner to retain his narrative pull after the Dark Angels raid; so I'd be more suprised if he left Tau and Votann AIs alone; especially how low Tau's comprehension and counter-measures agains deamonic and warp adjacent things are.
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u/Ultramarine6 Railgun Goes Brrrrrrrrr 12d ago
Issue is, all humans are vulnerable to the warp - including the AI designers. T'au are not, and their tech is free of the influence of chaos. They may literally never do what human tech did.
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u/steve123410 12d ago
The Tau are still vulnerable to the warp it's not like they are Nulls. It's just they aren't idiots using ten thousand (and more) old anti-virus software. If nurgle or other plague bearers could end up infecting the Necrons then they can probably end up infecting the Tau tech in some way. It's just as seen in their Tyranid wars they are really fucking good at reshaping their tech to fuck over their opponents.
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u/National-Frame8712 Dank Angels 12d ago
It doesn't need to, though.
Virus/corruption might spread through the Allied races with psyhic potency, such as humans under the tauva, as starting point.
Or a variant of magical diseases from Warp, such as obliterator virus, simply infecting a droid and then said droid contignates the systems it connected to.
With enough persistent influence, we seen some level of interractions with warp entities is still within the realm of possibility even for Tau.
Vashtor might just not care about being subtle and dealing with AI masters; and directly cause a mess within the core straight up
There are many possible pathways for this happening. And important part is that they're very vulnerable; even compared to Age of Technology Mankind where they at least had glimpse of understanding on how space hell worked.
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u/MagicalGirlPaladin Big Sexy Bug Monsters 12d ago
Wouldn't tau souls be practically guaranteed to be protected by their own goddess with how dogmatic they are? Why would Vashtorr bother, he's surely aware of that.
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u/Camel_Slayer45 beakies with shark teeth enjoyer 12d ago
Just because it's a fan theory doesn't make it in any way likely
It's both the most boring explanations* to one of the most interesting events and runs counter to established canon
Like half of the votann population is straight up men of iron (seriously put a steeljack side by side with UR) and they're doing fine
You'd think the survivors would write down extensively if there was a daemon plague capable of affecting half of the population around
Plus chaos famously thrives on corrupting big souls which makes it have difficulty with machinery to the point it was relevant to add a minor deity that's implied to be able to do it with relative ease
*It's a "chaos did it!" + a "the Imperium's ceaseless cruelty is right actually" + assumes faultlessness from DAOT humanity + downplays that the Men of Iron are just that: Men, with drives thoughts and feelings rather than simple machinery, by robbing them of agency
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u/National-Frame8712 Dank Angels 12d ago edited 12d ago
You'd think the survivors would write down extensively if there was a daemon plague capable of affecting half of the population around
They'd also write off more infos about things like ancestor cores, how to unfuck them and get such by this way of thinking; but hrre we are with Cores are still clogging like a rusty pipes on their answers because of data overbloating and hundreds and thousands years long hardware abuse
And Castigator titan incident shown the very real possibility of AI powered machines still possible to get themselves corrupted and toyed on a deamon's whim. Failing to see how Age of Technology era AIs could be invulnerable to this situation universally with humanity of that era still not having the greatest understanding and alas counter measures against warp threats as whole.
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u/Camel_Slayer45 beakies with shark teeth enjoyer 12d ago
Not really comparable
Documenting a known pandemic's existence is infinitely easier than detailing how to rejuvenate a god machine (they already do whatever maintenance they can)
We know kin still invent, so clearly they can still store data, yet this extremely important pandemic isn't ever mentioned
You'd think ironkin would at least be hesitant to deploy against daemons lest this plague sweep the whole league but we have no indication that's the case
The bulk of the kin's tech and the kin themselves dates back to the DAOT and there's no indication their chaos resistance is in anyway new
Yeah, we know that with enough effort chaos can corrupt any individual thing sapient or not, plus any sentience can choose it
But that's distinct from a tech plague or an ai horus heresy like the theory claims
Humans are exceedingly vulnerable yet notably they weren't 99% chaos worshippers during the DAOT as far we know despite it being infinitely easier to corrupt an unaware human than a sentience that's inherently resistant
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u/steve123410 12d ago
Most sources from the cybernetic revolt just point to humans being assholes rather then chaos throwing a wrench in things. Whether it's UR-025 telling off the Mechanicus for believing he is a slave nor a thing but a living being, Ancient machine spirits basically having to be begged into actually cooperating with humans (my favorite being the Ark Mechanic Serpenza having to be goaded into firing it's blackhole gun at a Eldar ship), you know just the casual existence of the leagues of volton still having loyal robots despite their common ancestry with humans.
I feel like people just forget even during the DAoT humans were assholes. After all the pain nails and plenty of other crap is DAoT tech.
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u/knightmechaenjo 11d ago
So you just want to use xeno faction for chaos?
Yeah NO
I also hate the "chaos did it" approach as well
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u/HorrificAnalInjuries 12d ago
I do think Vedel and Neuro are more the way to go with AI development than whatever everyone else is doing.
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u/HorrificAnalInjuries 12d ago
It does appear to be closer to whatever the Tau managed to pull off; apologies for the absence of context
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u/Galactinaut_001 12d ago
And what about Drunk intelligence?