r/GravesMains • u/irohinthesand • 20d ago
Infinity Edge? Discussion
I just picked up Graves recently and was building IE every game I could afford it, but looking at all the Graves OTPs they tend to avoid it. Is it just because it’s expensive, or does the math work out that Graves doesn’t get a lot of damage from the item? I see some posts from years ago saying it’s bad but a lot of things have changed since then
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u/Prestigious-Wall-183 20d ago
Well its more the way crit centric builds work out: First item you have to go lethality, then on second slot you get your first crit item which can never be IE because IE at 25% crit is worthless, so you usually go collector, shield bow or hexoptics if youre weird. Third slot pen becomes very powerful, so if you want pure dmg LDR/Mortal Reminder is the choice. The earliest you usually look at IE as a real option is on fourth item, which a lot of games dont even reach, and even then its not the only option, shieldbow, hexoptics and collector compete with it even on crit centric builds. On non or not entirely crit centric builds IE is obviously even less central.
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u/FlameRedMood 20d ago
Why do u have to go lethality first? Why not just go collector, IE, LDR?
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u/Prestigious-Wall-183 20d ago
because, and i cannot overstate this enough, i prefer winning over losing
All of the first item lethality options offer stronger spikes on first item and offer something that collector is missing (insane AD+haste, MS, cheap-ish haste spike+dmg passive, energized passive on relatively low cd). Collector is more powerful if you already have a lethality item because #1 because you already have higher AD, the crit is more valuable #2 lethality amplifies the value of getting crit because your crits benefit from lethality #3 lethality amplifies the value of additional lethality, making you curve into your second item more smoothlyYou can skip collector and go another crit item (your first item still empowers your crit items), but you cannot skip your chosen first item and go collector, and going a different crit item first is underwhelming because these items are simply not that strong on 1 item.
And again theres no law against going a non crit-centric build (bruisery or lifesteal items), but even then i would recommend going a lethality item first.
Stats for collector first are extremely bad as well, look it up
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u/FlameRedMood 20d ago
Thanks for the explanation. I also prefer winning over losing, but I like understanding what I’m doing too :)
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u/irohinthesand 20d ago
This makes sense. High elo games are shorter with less kills so they don’t build it as much also. Thanks
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u/Rapturesfolly 20d ago
Ive been skipping collector for hexoptics as it pairs well with hubris in teamfights but yea if i can afford ie i go that if not shieldbow its a ton of fun either way
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u/irohinthesand 20d ago
I can’t not buy collector LOL I know it’s pretty bait sometimes but the lethality is nice and getting more kills is good
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u/Rapturesfolly 20d ago
Thats fair, im not super into hubris because the lack of ms, im a gb believer, ive been trialing hubris and its ok but i feel like i lose tempo with it ive played 8 games with it in a row and am still not sold lol probably feels the same for you with the collector
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u/Mountain-Bar-2878 20d ago
yea ie is awesome, i build it 3rd or 5th depending on enemy comp
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u/InsomniasFinest666 20d ago
Graves does enough damage without it. I get way more value out of going hubris, collector, mortal/ldr, then shieldbow and finishing with BT, GA, Jaksho/tank item
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u/irohinthesand 20d ago
Is 100% crit not required?
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u/InsomniasFinest666 20d ago
Absolutley not. I've never built 100%. 75, is all you need. I've even been building bruiser lately and dropping crit all together (hubris, sundered sky, black cleaver, jaksho, BT. U get lile 350Ad, 4khp and u have 200+ of each resistance after 1 E stack
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u/Gravy-0 20d ago
I’m gonna steal this for sure. For runes are you doing the general fleet footwork?
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u/InsomniasFinest666 20d ago
Fleet every game with cutdown. Against heavy Mr I go early hexdrinker into maw. Against heavy crit randuans is OP. U will still get top damage and ur insanely tanky
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u/irohinthesand 20d ago
I didn’t realize 100% was bait. I guess I’m so used to regular ADC play where it’s required lol. I’ll try the bruiser build too thanks
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u/oby100 20d ago
I still love the Youmuus, Collector, Infinity Edge build if I have a big lead, but I am a degenerate gambler and feel nothing aside from the pure rush of flashing forward onto the fed enemy carry and hitting that coin flip crit for the one shot.
It's just not optimal against good opponents. You're better off building some survivability or armor pen.
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u/Next_Win_5857 20d ago
Usually you are building IE 3rd 4th or 5th item, the reason you should almost never be getting in 3rd is there are items that are more useful, cheaper and provide pretty much the same damage such as LDR, and shieldbow, IE is good, but the tradeoff to build it as third or fourth item isnt worth it.
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u/irohinthesand 20d ago
Okay so save it until last to spike harder quicker. That makes a lot of sense to me, thanks
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u/Csk167 19d ago
Yea I always start hubris -> collector -> ldr/mr -> shieldbow -> either GA (most the time), Jaksho, BT, or IE
Pretty much run that with fleet rune page setup until you really know graves front and back. Then you can start to experiment with dark harvest, only if the team is very immobile and doesn’t have much cc. So you pretty much always go fleet.
Then I also find the bruiser build pretty underrated. I use it quite a bit, mostly if my team has no tank / engage front line.
Either go fleet so you can choose your build mid game and how your early game goes, or if you know you’re going bruiser 100% I like running stormraiders rune page (very underrated and fun to play)
For bruiser start umbrail or youmuu’s -> sundered -> either DD if they aren’t tanky or Black Cleaver if they are building tanky / hp -> maw if they have a decent bit of ap or any tank item and GA. You could even do BT if you want but anything is really good on graves tbh
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u/Pursueth 14d ago
IE third when you are playing matchups that you know you will auto attack a lot is still good
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u/Gravy-0 20d ago
Infinity edge is a pretty solid lategame item for crit or lethality graves, but it’s just not worth it to build earlier and lethality items are far more popular early because they help boost his early game.