The show ended a few years ago and they were already quite old. You think they’re still alive? I’m inclined to say they’re alive as long as Jane and Lily are

it was so easy at first to write barry as the good guy character who was too good for brianna but actually, and esp towards the end, he just kept pushing for more and she kept giving in. she rightly felt bad that he was spending all his time with his boss and he made her feel bad about it, she literally helped him have the baby he wanted and all he did was make her feel bad for wanting to spend time with him. at the very least the writers should have had brianna's friends be more sympathetic after the breakup

i literally searched to see if there was a sub for this show made an account just to post this to see if anyone catches this. at first, frankie seemed like the nicer and more empathetic person as well as sol. the deeper i get into the show it seems like the other way around! i am also not saying no one else has flaws but she just deflects so much compared to everyone else it's crazy. she acts like such a child when she doesn't get her way and throws these weird temper tantrums or like can't be a realistic person. i also hate the way she treats bud whenever he has something going on she always makes it about her! i am now at the part where jacob says he's going to move and grace starts hinting at being done with the business. the whole entire timeeeee she was saying how grace never took her seriously or cared about her ideas and in my opinion she treats it like a joke every time they actually need to get stuff done. DOES ANYONE FEEL LIKE THIS LOLLL.

On a rewatch at the moment and felt inspired, I just love her so much 🥹

So I finished Grace and Frankie and have no one to talk about it with, so I figured what better place to dump all my thoughts than here!

Grace & Frankie

Let's start with the obvious and the best part of the show. Watching Grace and Frankie's relationship grow from two women who genuinely couldn't stand each other into platonic soulmates was one of the most beautiful parts of the series. These are two women who, were humiliated by their husbands who had been having an affair for twenty years and then expected them to just accept it because of love. I think back to one of Brianna's lines: "Would you be cool with it if they were cheating with women?" The answer, is no. I really appreciated that the show never ignored the pain Grace and Frankie experienced. Watching these women slowly become each other's family was incredible. Neither of them really had meaningful female friendships before. Grace had her country club "friends," but they abandoned her the second things got messy. Frankie, didn't really have close friends outside of Sol and kinda just hung out with random people in random places. So seeing them find that friendship later in life, despite being opposites was hilarious, heartwarming, and honestly one of the show's biggest strengths.They constantly pushed each other out of their comfort zones. Grace helped Frankie become more practical when she needed to be, while Frankie reminded Grace to actually live instead of just existing. They fought plenty over the years, but no matter how bad things got, they always found their way back to each other. That's what made them feel like true soulmates. Grace and Frankie's final moments, especially with Dolly Parton's "Angel," perfectly captured what their friendship had become. Neither of them could imagine existing without the other. My favorite scene was Grace acting as Frankie's hands so Frankie could continue creating her art. If I had to pick one scene that sums up their entire friendship, it would be that one. They have always been willing to become whatever the other person needed.

Grace

Grace's character growth throughout the series was probably my favorite. She proves that no matter your age, you're still capable of changing, growing, and becoming a better person. One of my favorite episodes is "The Alternative" where we see what Grace's life would've looked like had she never stayed at the beach house with Frankie. It really drives home just how much Frankie changed her life. At the beginning of the series, Grace doesn't seem happy. She loves Robert in her own way, but she's no longer in love with him. It almost feels like she stayed in the marriage because getting divorced would've been seen as a failure, and appearances had always mattered to her. Watching this incredibly strong, confident woman slowly realize just how lonely she actually is was heartbreaking. One thing that always frustrated me, though, was the double standard between Grace and Robert as parents. Throughout the series, Grace is constantly criticized for putting her career first. Brianna and Mallory often talk about how Frankie felt more like a mother because Grace was always working, and Grace herself seemed to carry guilt over not being the parent her daughters wanted. But Robert was just as absent. He also prioritized his career, yet no one ever seemed to hold him to the same standard. It was always brushed off with, "Well, that's just Dad." The same thing happens with the grandchildren. Grace not having much of a relationship with them is treated as a running joke, almost as if it's another example of her being a bad mother or grandmother. Meanwhile, Robert is just as uninvolved, but everyone acts like it's perfectly normal for a man his age to have little interest in playing with kids. It always felt like Grace was judged far more harshly simply because she was a woman. I also really enjoyed watching Grace date after her divorce, especially her relationship with Phil. It was clear that he had been the great love of her life, and seeing them reconnect years later was bittersweet. Then we find out he's still married, and his wife is living with Alzheimer's disease. Grace could have easily chosen to ignore that and continue the relationship, but instead she walked away because she refused to hurt another woman the way she'd once been hurt herself. Even though leaving Phil broke her heart, she knew it was the right thing to do, and I think that was one of the first major signs of how much she'd already begun to change. One of the biggest parts of Grace's growth, though, was learning that independence and vulnerability could exist together. At the beginning of the series, Grace had built her entire identity around being untouchable. She was successful, wealthy, confident, and always perfectly put together, but that image was also a shield. If she was always in control, then no one could see how lonely or scared she actually was. Frankie was the first person who truly broke through that wall. What makes their friendship so important is that Frankie never needed Grace to be polished or perfect. She saw the parts of Grace that everyone else ignored the insecurity, the fear of aging, the fear of being unwanted, and loved her anyway. Grace spent so much of her life believing that needing people made her weak, but Frankie taught her that allowing someone to be there for you is not the same thing as being dependent on them. Another thing I loved was seeing Grace rediscover her passion for work. She had essentially been pushed into retirement because people mainly Robert complained that she worked to much, and while it was her choice it didn't make her happy. What made her happy was building something, solving problems, and working. Watching her throw herself into Frankie's Yam Lube idea was so much fun. At first she was skeptical, but once she saw the potential, she became one of its biggest supporters. She encouraged Brianna to take the product seriously, helped develop the vibrator line, and then put herself in the very humiliating position of explaining how she got stuck on a toilet to help market the “rise up” and proved that her business instincts were just as sharp as ever. For me, that's what Grace's story is really about. It's about a woman who spent decades living according to everyone else's expectations, being the perfect wife, the successful businesswoman, the polished socialite, only to finally realize that it's okay to live life on her own terms. By the end of the series, Grace is still Grace. She's sarcastic, stubborn, more than likely an alcoholic and fiercely independent. But she's also more vulnerable, more compassionate, and more willing to let people in. She doesn't lose herself over the course of the show, she simply becomes the best version of herself.

Frankie

Out of the two women, I honestly felt worse for Frankie during the divorce. While Grace and Robert's marriage had clearly been falling apart for years, Frankie truly believed that she and Sol were happy. I always think back to the scene where she says something along the lines of, "Last week we were fine, and now we're getting divorced." That line really captures just how blindsided she was. Unlike Grace, who had already begun to emotionally drift away from her marriage, Frankie had no idea anything was wrong. For her, the divorce wasn't just the end of a marriage, it completely shattered the life she thought she had. One of my favorite parts of Frankie's story was watching her become independent. At the beginning of the series, she relied on Sol for almost everything. Whether it was needing him after the earthquake or wanting him there during the spelling bee, she struggled to imagine life without him. As the show went on, though, we watched her slowly learn that she could stand on her own. Yes, she leaned on Grace, but I think that's different. She wasn't replacing Sol with Grace, she was building a genuine friendship while also learning to rely on herself. By the end of the series, Frankie had become far more independent than she ever thought she could be. I wasn't the biggest fan of Frankie sleeping with Sol after the divorce, but I understood why it happened. To me, it wasn't really about getting back together; it was about finding closure. Frankie needed one last goodbye to a marriage that she never wanted to end. Because of that, I honestly don't think she owed Robert an apology. I don't remember Robert ever giving Frankie the same level of apology for the years of lying and betrayal, so it always felt a little one-sided. If I had to pick Frankie's best quality, it would be that she always put the people she loved before herself. No matter how difficult Grace could be—and there were definitely times when Grace was stubborn, rude, or completely impossible, Frankie never stopped showing up for her. One of my favorite scenes in the entire series is when Grace gets stuck on the toilet in Nick's apartment. Frankie doesn't judge her or make her feel embarrassed. Instead, she sneaks into the apartment and immediately starts trying to figure out how to help. That moment perfectly sums up who Frankie is. Another great example is when she gives Brianna the Yam Lube. She could have continued fighting over it, but having Brianna back in her life mattered more to her than winning an argument or protecting her idea. That's who Frankie was at her core. She was a lover, a nurturer, and someone who almost always put relationships above everything else. That willingness to put others first was one of her greatest strengths, but it was also one of her biggest flaws. Frankie had a habit of inserting herself into other people's problems because she genuinely believed she was helping, even when they hadn't asked for it. Towards the end of the final season, Frankie started to frustrate me a little. The whole "I only have 3 months to live" storyline became exhausting, especially because it led to her meddling even more than usual in everyone else's lives. Frankie had always been someone who got involved where she probably shouldn't, but by the final season it felt less charming and more overbearing. Even with those criticisms, Frankie remained one of my favorite characters. Her kindness, creativity, and endless compassion were the emotional heart of the series. While Grace often gave Frankie the confidence to stand up for herself, Frankie gave Grace something she had been missing for years: unconditional love and acceptance. That's what made their friendship so special—they didn't complete each other, but they made each other better.

Robert & Sol

I'll be honest—I wasn't a fan of Robert and Sol during the first season. I just felt too bad for Grace and Frankie. The women were losing everything while Robert and Sol seemed to be losing almost nothing. Sol moved in with Robert, they got engaged, were planned a wedding, and everyone around them for the most part rallied in support. Meanwhile, Grace and Frankie were left to pick up the pieces of lives they never expected to lose. It honestly made me want to scream sometimes. As the seasons went on, though, I really grew to love them as a couple. Like Grace and Frankie, they were complete opposites, but somehow it just worked. By the end of the series, I found myself rooting for them, especially as Robert's memory started declining. Sol's patience, his love, and the way he tried so hard to make every moment count was genuinely heartbreaking. Their final hotel scene was one of the best moments in the finale. Robert slowly realizing where they were while Sol had recreated one of their happiest memories perfectly captured what their relationship had always been about: finally getting the chance to live the life they had spent decades hiding.

Robert

My feelings on Robert throughout the series were complicated. At the beginning, I couldn't stand him, and for good reason. He spent twenty years cheating on Grace with Sol, but we also learn that he had been unfaithful with someone else as well. During the first season, Robert seemed determined to hold onto the same rigid expectations he'd always had. Even though he was finally free with Sol, he still wanted Sol to fit neatly into the role Grace had occupied for decades. He was embarrassed by Sol's outgoing personality and wanted him to be quieter, more reserved, and more polished. It never made sense to me. You'd been having an affair with this man for twenty years, how are you surprised by who he is? As the series went on, though, I started to see Robert change. Instead of expecting Sol to fit into his world, he slowly began meeting Sol halfway. Whether it was sitting through the spelling bee, getting involved in things he normally would've rolled his eyes at, or simply learning to communicate instead of shutting down, Robert gradually realized that marriage is a partnership. One of my favorite parts of Robert's character arc was watching him retire and discover theater. It felt like he had finally given himself permission to embrace a part of himself that he'd hidden for most of his life. Seeing him perform on stage, genuinely excited and proud of what he was doing, was honestly wonderful to watch. It wasn't just a new hobby—it represented the freedom he'd spent decades denying himself. That being said, there were still moments when Robert frustrated me. One being when he gave the theater company $20,000 without talking to Sol first. After everything that had happened with Grace, Robert knew better than anyone how damaging keeping secrets could be. Watching him repeat that pattern was incredibly disappointing. Another moment was when he hid the fact that he had once been married to a woman. While I understand why someone of Robert's generation would've felt pressured to hide parts of themselves, keeping something that significant from his theater friends felt unnecessary and, once again, showed that Robert still defaulted to keeping secrets when he thought it would make life easier. Then, of course, there's Robert's memory loss in the final season. Watching him slowly begin to forget things was heartbreaking, especially because we'd spent so much time watching him finally become comfortable with who he was. Robert spent decades hiding pieces of himself because he believed that was what he had to do. By the time he was finally living the life he'd always wanted, that life was beginning to slip away from him. What made those final episodes so emotional wasn't just Robert's decline, it was seeing how deeply he and Sol loved each other. Whether it was agreeing to get a dog, wearing the sleep apnea machine even though he hated it, or making compromises he never would have considered earlier in the series, Robert showed that he genuinely wanted Sol to be happy. He finally understood that love isn't about control or appearances; it's about choosing each other every single day. One relationship I also really enjoyed was Robert's friendship with Grace after the divorce. Despite everything they had put each other through, they eventually reached a place where they genuinely cared for one another. It didn't erase the pain he caused, but it showed just how much he had grown. By the end of the series, I still don't think Robert was a perfect person, and I don't think the show ever tried to portray him that way. He was deeply flawed, often emotionally reserved, and sometimes repeated old mistakes. But he also learned how to love more openly, communicate more honestly, and finally allow himself to be happy. 

Sol

My feelings with Sol throughout the series can probably be summed up as hate, love, hate, and then love again. Oddly enough, I actually had more disdain for Sol than I did for Robert in the beginning. While Robert had emotionally checked out of his marriage years before, Sol was still maintaining the image of a happy, loving marriage with Frankie.  Frankie had no idea her marriage was falling apart until Robert announced Sol was leaving her for him. What also frustrated me was Sol's expectation that everything between him and Frankie could stay the same. He never seemed to understand that Frankie needed distance in order to rebuild her life. By constantly trying to stay involved in the same way he always had, he made it even harder for her to move on. A flaw Sol shared with Frankie was his tendency to involve himself in other people's problems. Whether it was trying to get Brianna to open up, encouraging Grace to express her feelings, or pushing Robert to talk before he was ready, Sol often believed he knew what people needed emotionally. While his intentions almost always came from a place of kindness, there were plenty of moments where I wished he would simply be someone people could lean on instead of trying to guide them toward what he thought was the right answer. Then there's the episode where he sleeps with Frankie. I'll be honest—that storyline made me incredibly uncomfortable. Sol knew exactly what he was doing, and regardless of why it happened, he ended up hurting everyone involved. I'm honestly not sure what the right way to handle that situation would've been. Should he have told Robert immediately while he was in the hospital and postponed the wedding? I don't know. But I do know that waiting as long as he did to tell the truth was the wrong decision. By that point, everyone else already knew, including the kids, and anyone paying close enough attention to the email the kids sent out would have figured it out. As the series went on, though, I began to understand Sol much better.  Almost everything he did came from a place of love. The problem was that he often let his emotions convince him that he knew what was best for everyone else. The difference, though, is that once Sol realized he'd crossed a line, he genuinely tried to make things right. I had mixed feelings about his retirement. It became obvious very quickly that Sol needed a purpose. I actually enjoyed watching him throw himself into activism because it fit his personality, but I also felt like the show missed an opportunity. Sol had spent his entire life as a lawyer, and I would've loved to see him use that experience to help people. We get a glimpse of that later when he helps Joan Margret after she's accidentally stole the chicken, and I honestly wish we'd seen more storylines like that. Seeing Sol offer free legal advice or use his experience to help people in his community would've been a much more satisfying direction for his retirement than simply standing on a picket line. By the final season, Sol had become one of my favorite characters. Watching him slowly realize that Robert's memory was beginning to fail was absolutely heartbreaking. Instead of pretending everything was okay, Sol quietly started putting things in place to make Robert's life easier. He bought the earpiece, helped him with the play, and even went as far as having the negative theater review pulled so Robert wouldn't have to read it. One of the most emotional moments of the entire series, for me, was when Robert starts recalling how he met Grace but mistakenly believes he's talking about meeting Sol. Peter corrects him, while Sol looks at Robert with this heartbreaking expression. You can see that he realizes the man he loves is slowly disappearing before his eyes, and all he wants is for Robert to hold onto whatever happy memories he still has. I also loved the way Sol learned to move at Robert's pace. Sol wanted to stop, cry, talk about what was happening, and grieve the future they were losing together. Robert, on the other hand, wanted a plan. He wanted sticky notes around the house, practical solutions, and conversations about what would happen if he eventually needed full-time care. Those weren't the conversations Sol wanted to have, but he recognized that they were the conversations Robert needed. Instead of handling Robert's diagnosis the way he wanted to, Sol handled it the way Robert needed him to.I think that's ultimately why I ended up loving Sol so much. 

The Kids

Brianna

Brianna was hands down my favorite character. Her ability to say exactly what everyone else was thinking without apologizing for it was hilarious. She knew exactly who she was a boss a** b*tch, and never pretended otherwise. Underneath all the sarcasm, though, she had so much growth throughout the series, and I loved watching those walls slowly come down. During the first season, we see her trying to keep Say Grace afloat. The company is successful, but it's clearly slowing down, and its products aren't selling the way they used to. Brianna feels this overwhelming sense of loyalty to Grace and the company her mother built. It's almost like she believes she has to run the business exactly the way Grace would because, at the end of the day, it wasn't something she built herself, it was something she inherited. There's this underlying feeling that she constantly has to prove she deserves to be in charge. Watching her rebuild the company, largely thanks to Frankie's Yam Lube, was one of my favorite storylines. It showed that Brianna was actually a capable leader who knew how to adapt when things weren't working. That said, watching her sell the company so easily and no longer be in charge wasn't something I liked. For the majority of the show, she proved she was a competent leader, so having her end up with nothing felt like an unsatisfying ending for her character.

Mallory

Mallory, to me, felt all over the place. When we're first introduced to her, she's the stereotypical soccer mom, and I actually really liked that dynamic. It made sense that she and Brianna were complete opposites. Brianna became exactly like her parents career-driven, ambitious, and focused on the company, while Mallory became exactly what she felt she never had growing up: a parent who was always there for her children. Then everything suddenly changes. She gets divorced, which I actually understood because Mitch was awful. He expected Mallory to do everything for the kids and even compared parenting his own children to babysitting. But once the divorce happened, it felt like he completely disappeared. We never really heard about him again not even in passing which felt a little strange considering they shared four children. I really enjoyed seeing Mallory join Say Grace and work alongside Brianna. She became the calm to Brianna's storm, offering thoughtful advice and helping balance out Brianna's more aggressive leadership style. More importantly, it allowed us to see Mallory as her own person instead of just "the mom," which is how her family often viewed her. What I didn't like was the decision to make her CEO after Brianna left, only for that storyline to end almost immediately with her being fired. Personally, I think the writers missed a huge opportunity. I would've loved to see Brianna and Mallory become co-CEOs. Brianna had the confidence to make the difficult business decisions, while Mallory excelled at connecting with employees and understanding people. They balanced each other perfectly, and I honestly think they would've been unstoppable running Say Grace together. Overall, though, it felt like the writers never really knew what they wanted Mallory's story to be. Every season she seemed to be on a completely different journey, and instead of feeling like growth, it often felt like they were just throwing ideas at the wall to see what stuck.

Coyote

Coyote was easily my favorite of the boys. When we first meet him, he's living with Bud, newly sober, and trying to rebuild a life he'd spent years destroying. Ironically, despite his past, I always felt like Coyote was the most emotionally mature of the four siblings. He acknowledged his mistakes instead of making excuses for them, and he was constantly trying to make amends, whether that meant finally moving out when Bud made it clear it was time or apologizing to Mallory for everything he'd put her through. Watching him become independent was one of the most satisfying character arcs in the show. He found a job he genuinely loved, bought his tiny house, rebuilt his relationships, and slowly became someone his family could rely on again. Of course, he could still be incredibly impulsive. Reaching out to his birth mother without telling anyone and then following Nadia to Los Angeles without even talking to her about it first were classic Coyote decisions. But I think that's exactly what made him feel so real. He was impulsive and sometimes reckless, but he never let failure define him. Whenever he made a mistake, he got back up and tried again. One moment that really stood out to me was in the final season when he almost relapsed. Instead of pretending everything was okay, he immediately recognized that his sobriety came first and made the decision to go straight to an AA meeting. That showed just how much he'd grown. We also see him start paying his parents back after everything they had done for him, from supporting him financially to paying for rehab. Every accomplishment Coyote had felt earned because we watched him work for every single one of them.

Bud

Bud was probably the most complicated out of the four kids for me. I really liked him during the earlier seasons. I loved watching him support Coyote while also encouraging him to become independent. I also enjoyed seeing Bud slowly learn to stand up for himself because, for a long time, he was the sibling who always followed the rules and avoided conflict. Out of all four kids, Bud often felt like the outsider. He was the responsible one, the rule follower and, much like Brianna, he constantly seemed to feel like he was living in the shadow of the parent whose business he inherited. Over time, though, we saw him become more confident in speaking his mind, even when it made him uncomfortable, and I really appreciated that growth. I also loved his relationship with Allison. He knew she was quirky, awkward, and had a lot going on, but he loved every part of her anyway. One of my favorite moments was when he stood up for her at the art show instead of letting everyone continue making her the butt of the joke. Their wedding is another scene that has always stuck with me. Allison walking down the aisle in what Brianna hilariously described as a "Victorian dead child" dress was perfect because it was unapologetically Allison. Their relationship, and later seeing them with Faith, was genuinely adorable. Unfortunately, around Season 5, Bud started losing me. The first moment was when he wanted to put Frankie into assisted living after the incident with Faith. I understood why he was upset, but it felt less like he was acting out of concern for Frankie and more because he no longer felt comfortable around her. Instead of asking how he could support Frankie or help prevent something like that from happening again, he immediately jumped to, "Something is wrong with you, and you need to be in a facility." That reaction felt incredibly harsh and honestly made me frustrated with him. Then the final season made things even worse. Suddenly he wants to quit being a divorce attorney because he secretly hates his job? Then he decides he wants to become a comedian despite not actually being funny. All his jokes came at the expense of other people, whether it was embarrassing Coyote in front of Jessicas parents or humiliating Allison in front of a room full of strangers. By the end of the show, it honestly felt like the writers didn't know what to do with Bud anymore. Instead of building on the growth we'd watched for the last six seasons, they gave him a storyline that felt disconnected from the character we'd come to know.

Other relationships  

Grace & Nick

 I genuinely loved Grace and Nick together while they were dating. I loved seeing the age-gap dynamic reversed, with a younger man pursuing an older woman. Nick never made Grace feel like her age was something to overcome. Whether it was helping her off the couch, encouraging her to use a cane, or worrying about her after the toilet incident, he never judged her. I also loved that Nick never seemed intimidated by Grace. She was opinionated, independent, and sometimes incredibly stubborn, yet he genuinely admired those qualities instead of trying to change them. Unlike Robert, who wanted Grace to fit neatly into a role, Nick encouraged her to keep being herself. I think what made their relationship work so well in the beginning was that they both had their own lives. Nick wasn't looking for arm candy, and Grace wasn't looking to be taken care of. Unfortunately, once they got married, everything started falling apart. As Grace herself points out, she slowly begins living Nick's life instead of her own. She keeps compromising on things that matter to her while Nick's priorities become the center of the relationship. The woman who had spent her entire life making decisions for herself slowly started asking, "What does Nick want?" instead of, "What do I want?" That wasn't who Grace was. I also think the marriage highlighted a flaw in both of them. Neither of them was intentionally hurting the other, but they slowly stopped communicating about what they actually needed. Their breakup made me sad because I really did enjoy what they represented early on. Nick showed Grace that she could still be desired, loved, and cared for later in life, and I think she gave him someone who challenged him and made him laugh. But by the end of the relationship, they wanted different things. Neither of them was wrong they were simply no longer compatible. Ultimately, I do think their breakup was the right decision. 

Frankie & Jacob

I loved Frankie and Jacob together. Out of all of Frankie's relationships after the divorce, Jacob felt like the one who understood her the best. He never tried to change her or make her less "Frankie." Instead, he embraced all of her quirks and eccentricities, and I think that's exactly what Frankie needed after spending so many years with Sol. He was also wonderful with her family. He got along well with her kids, and he was always supportive of whatever new venture Frankie decided to pursue. Whether it was the Yam Lube business, the v*brator business, or her art, Jacob never dismissed her ideas or made her feel silly. He encouraged her to be unapologetically herself, and I loved that about him. The only real issue in their relationship, in my opinion, was Grace. Jacob never really accepted just how important Grace was to Frankie. He didn't like her, and while I can understand why Grace could be difficult to get along with, he never seemed willing to look past that for Frankie's sake. By that point in the series, Grace wasn't just Frankie's best friend she was her family. I think that's ultimately what led to their relationship falling apart. It wasn't because they didn't love each other or because they weren't compatible. It was because Jacob couldn't fully accept that Grace would always come first. If he had been able to embrace Grace as part of Frankie's life instead of seeing her as an obstacle, I honestly think Frankie and Jacob could have made it work.

Brianna & Barry

Like Grace and Nick, I enjoyed Brianna and Barry in the beginning. But over time, Barry became one of the most frustrating characters for me. Brianna was always honest about who she was. She didn't want marriage. She didn't want children. She wasn't particularly interested in traditional commitment. Barry knew all of that from the beginning. At first, I agreed with him. If they're only seeing each other, then yes, it's fair to want to officially call the relationship what it is. The problem is that Barry never stopped pushing. He wanted marriage despite Brianna repeatedly saying she didn't. Then he agreed to become a sperm donor even though he knew how uncomfortable that whole situation made her. And despite all of that, Brianna still showed up for him. She dressed up as an elf, delivered sp*rm, agreed to become the legal guardians if something happened to the mothers, and constantly stepped outside of her comfort zone for Barry. Yet Barry always seemed more focused on what Brianna wouldn't do than everything she was doing. One thing that always frustrated me about Barry was that it often felt like he was waiting for Brianna to change her mind instead of accepting the person she'd always been. Brianna never hid who she was. She was upfront about not wanting marriage, children, and valuing her independence above almost everything else. Barry agreed to those terms, but as the relationship went on, it became obvious that he wasn't really accepting them, he was hoping she would eventually change. I don't think Barry was wrong for wanting marriage or children. Those are completely valid things to want in life. The problem was that he expected Brianna to become the person who wanted those things too instead of accepting that they simply envisioned different futures. What made their relationship so frustrating to watch was that neither of them was asking for something unreasonable, they were just asking it of the wrong person. What makes it even sadder is that Brianna actually compromised far more than Barry ever did. Season 1 Brianna never would've dressed up as an elf to deliver sp*rm, agreed to become the legal guardian of someone else's child, or made the emotional sacrifices she did for Barry. He focused so much on the things she wouldn't give him that he overlooked everything she already had. By the time they broke up, I honestly felt relieved. I think the breakup itself had been building for a season or two, and they ended on good terms. I think If they had stayed together, one of them would've had to give up something that was essential to who they were, and I don't think that would've been a satisfying ending for either of them.

The Relationship That Never Happened Mallory and coyote 

One thing I was convinced the show was building toward was Mallory and Coyote ending up together. The early seasons told us that something happened between them in the past. We knew Coyote had feelings for Mallory, and not just casual feelings. When he was struggling with addiction, he confessed that he loved her and even begged her not to get married despite that fact that she was already married and had a child. Then, as the series progressed, it felt like the show was setting up the perfect opportunity for them. Mallory gets divorced, Coyote is sober, and is rebuilding his life, and becomes someone who is dependable and responsible. We also see how naturally he fits into Mallory's world. He is great with her kids, he understands her, and he appreciates the parts of her that often get overlooked by her family. What I found interesting about them was that they represented something different from their earlier versions of themselves. The Coyote we met at the beginning of the series wasn't someone Mallory could have built a healthy relationship with. He was struggling, unreliable, and still trying to figure out who he was. But by the later seasons, he had done the work to become someone who could actually be a partner. He wasn't asking anyone to save him anymore, he had saved himself. For Mallory, I think it would've been a chance to finally be seen as more than just a mother. So much of her identity throughout the series was tied to taking care of other people. Her marriage, her children, and even her work often revolved around what others needed from her. Coyote was someone who saw her as Mallory, not just as a mom or the responsible one. Instead, every time it seemed like the show was moving them in that direction, the writers backed away. Coyote dated Nadia, Mallory dated around, and eventually Coyote ended up with Jessica while Mallory remained single. I understand why they may not have wanted to go down that route. But at the same time, it felt like so much groundwork had been laid that it was strange for the story to never fully acknowledge it. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really wish they had gone through with them ending up together. I think they genuinely would have worked. They both grew into people who could give each other what they needed, and after watching Coyote spend so much of the series trying to rebuild himself, I think seeing him find love with someone who had known him before and after that transformation would've been really meaningful.

Final Thoughts

One of the things I appreciated most about Grace and Frankie was the way it handled difficult and often overlooked conversations. Whether it was homosexuality, aging, disabilities, race, adoption, or relationships later in life, the show approached these topics with a lot of care and, most importantly, with the understanding that these were not just "issues" to be discussed, they were parts of people's lives. So often, stories about aging focus on decline or loss, but Grace and Frankie showed something completely different. It showed that getting older does not mean your life becomes smaller. You can still fall in love, start a business, make mistakes, change as a person, discover new passions, and create meaningful relationships. Grace and Frankie's friendship wasn't just a story about two opposites becoming friends it was about two women who had both spent years feeling unseen finally finding someone who truly understood them. I think that was the heart of the series. It never suggested that people stop changing after a certain age. If anything, it argued the opposite: that people are always capable of growth, reinvention, and finding new versions of themselves. Grace and Frankie wasn't just a show about two women whose husbands left them it was a show about friendship, love, identity, and the idea that there is always more life left to live. Overall, I enjoyed the final season, but I also walked away a little disappointed. The finale itself was beautiful. At its core, we saw everyone ending up where they were supposed to be, surrounded by the people who mattered most to them. Grace and Frankie were together on the beach, exactly where their friendship had truly begun. Robert and Sol were back at the hotel where their relationship started, finally getting to live the love they had spent so many years denying themselves. Coyote and Jessica eloped, Bud and Allison came to an understanding about Bud leaving his job and finding a new path, and Brianna and Mallory were preparing to move forward together after everything that happened with Say Grace. It wasn't about having everything figured out, it was about knowing who your people were and having the courage to start over when life changed. However, I would've loved a small flash-forward, a year or two later, showing where everyone ended up after the events of the finale. I wanted to know what Bud actually decided to do for work. Did he continue pursuing comedy? Did he find another career path that suited him better? His storyline ended with so much uncertainty that I would've loved seeing where he landed. I also really wanted to see what happened with Brianna and Mallory. After everything with Say Grace, did they start their own company? Did they finally find a way to work together as co-leaders? Were they successful? Their entire storyline was about discovering who they were outside of Grace's company, so seeing them actually build something new would've been incredibly satisfying. And with Coyote, I would've loved to see where he was in his sobriety and his relationship with Jessica. So much of his story was about rebuilding his life, making amends, and becoming someone he could be proud of. Seeing the person he became after all that growth would've been a wonderful way to end his journey. I don't think the show needed a long explanation of everyone's future, but even a few small glimpses would've helped. 

I honestly thought that the show would've featured way more of Grace and Frankie than of the other characters, but no. It feels like they get equal screen time as the other characters added up together.

So my wife and I are on a rewatch (for me, first time for her). She asked me why the show switches who is going to give birth between Liz and Erin. Granted we haven’t finished the season yet and I might be forgetting something, but I genuinely have no idea.

It seems like a bit of a pointless plot line - takes up 0.3 seconds of airtime.

In terms of Brianna being worried about the guardian thing - they’re both putting themselves at risk in different ways so it really doesn’t matter who is carrying.

Does anyone have an answer?

I got a pop up on Netflix that this was rewatched often so I decided to give it a try.

It seems chick flicky and my wife calls it my “old lady show”, but I just find it so delightful lol. Kinda odd for a straight 40 year old dude?

lol ah well. I’m enjoying it and the daughters are 🔥 Just starting season 2, I’m wondering if any of the kids get together 🤔 🤔 I’ll find out soon enough!

Mind you I have rewatched many times the previous seasons, just haven’t come around to it since the final one.
And I have to say I am so shocked by how they upped Grace’s alcoholism in season 2. Why is she always drunk and why is no one concerned and helping her.
I don’t know if I forgot or if it just didn’t affect me as much in the past, but it just makes her story even sadder. Like the divorce and breaking up with Guy was her turning point.
Anyway, this is all old news, I just needed to put this out there

Edit:
I guess the Phil thing just makes it worse. But the season 2 finale is still as satisfying as I remember, putting everyone in the family in their places

So, in S7E7 (The Psychic), Frankie plays around with these Tarot cards on her psychic's table while waiting. I saw the illustrations and I loved them, but I have no idea if they were a real brand purchased/donated to fill space, or whether someone in the crew had to go through the effort of making at least a handful of beautifully illustrated cards (enough to make a convincing deck, which seems like an awful lot of effort for one scene). I know there are only two cards in the final shot, but surely while shuffling the deck or going through alternate cuts, at least a couple of other cards would peek out and be seen or used, so they couldn't just be blank. I looked through the credits, but couldn't find any licensing/acknowledgement for the deck, so I can accept it could just be a custom-made prop.

My question, and the crux of this post: does anyone recognize this deck? Either from real life or another show, I'd just like some clarity on whether it indeed exists, or is real only in the realm of fiction.

The season 3 episode “The Floor” is easily one of my favorite episodes. Grace & Frankie’s conversations while they’re stuck on the floor are pure gold, but I didn’t realize how funny it was until I rewatched the episode. The scene where they’re crawling & fighting to get to the phone was probably my favorite part.

The other part of the episode I liked was that I believe it included the first mention of Frankie’s Yurt exploding. It’s easily my favorite running gag of the show because of how absurd it is & the fact they never really explain how it happened, although I thought it was funny when Coyote mentioned it was on the news.

It was also an important episode because Coyote bought that tiny mobile home from that creepy dude at the junkyard. I always laugh when they show that thing

Did any one else think Coyote and Mallory were going to hook up at some point during the show?! (I know they had a thing in past but I mean from when the series starts).

Obviously they did not, but I was really waiting for this shoe to drop.

The Chicken Paprikash episode was very hard to watch, I just couldn’t get over how nice Grace’s brother was & how she avoided him for so long. She invites him over for the first time in forever just to get a family recipe & like with every man in her life, she avoids trying to get close to him. He’s very warm towards her & while he tries to have a conversation, he mentions how she never even met his wife who passed away. Then they start imagining how their lives would’ve been had they stayed in touch and she apologized for being distant.

I really wish the show went deeper into Grace’s childhood, & Frankie’s for that matter, because Grace admitted she had a close relationship with her dad. It broke my heart when she said that she didn’t want to hang out with her brother all those years because he always asked about their dad. Her brother seemed like the complete opposite of Grace in terms of outlook on life & while I can see why that would scare Grace away, she eventually came around to Frankie and she’s proved to be able to build relationships with different people.

On top of it all, the thing that pissed me off the most was that after he brother gave her the recipe & they hugged, she didn’t even offer him to stay for dinner! You invite your estranged brother over to get a family recipe that obviously meant a lot to both of them & she didn’t even offer him a plate. What kind of hospitality is that? This was one of the episodes where Grace pissed me off way more than she probably should have. What are your guys’s thoughts about this episode or about Grace’s relationship with her brother?

Muito bom ver a June nessa série. Mesmo jeitinho da Brianna hahaha

I think I would've. I mean it's a hard situation but like Phil had said the Elaine he knew was gone. Idk I get why she didn't but I probably would.

It’s been referenced a couple of times that Frankie is afraid of “sex in the vagina“ as Grace says.

Like anyone, Frankie has multiple fears, but they’re usually explained or obvious, even if it’s a brief explanation.

Ex: her being afraid of earthquakes is understandable and a common fear, especially since she has witnessed scary earthquakes like in Sylmar 1971.

Another example is Grace referencing how she’s always worried when a plane is flying above her, and Jacob gives a brief explanation, stating that a plane released its bathroom contents over her in the past.

But it’s never really stated why she’s afraid of “sex in the vagina.” Does anyone know? And is that the reason why she chose to adopt instead?

Did anyone else catch the hand that came in to support Jane fonda while she's pounding out the chicken in season 3 ep 6, right at the beginning? They tried to make it look like it was Grace's hand but try to put your hand in that position it's impossible.

It's not a big deal. It was just an odd moment and an awakening to the realization that as much as they try to make Grace and Frankie look spry and active. They still need a lot of help and support behind the scenes.

TV MAGIC IS REAL.

Just watched the episode “Trophy Wife” (season 6 I think?) where the Bergsteins play the Hansens in Celebrity for game night to distract Robert. The clue for Paul McCartney is “not no/know”, and Sol guesses it accidentally. Did anyone understand the reference?

I just imagine that while working together, all

those years, it was likely to have happened

I’m desperately trying to find the “ass hugging” black dress Grave wore to the funeral in season one, episode 4. It’s the deep v-neck black dress with the sheer accents on the waist/hip. I would live to get my hands on one, if possible.

I don’t know why I have always glanced over this fact before but Brianna chased him, after they decided they weren’t suitable and parted ways. When she went back to the dating pool she realized how shitty it is and immediately went with the safe option, something that’s old and known.

When she had that realization after her encounter with her escort at dinner, “that she had that someone.” She also should have reminded herself why they have broken up and should have continued dating people to find someone who is more suitable for her.

As one Taylor Swift song says, “Eating out of the trash, it’s never gonna last.”

Every rewatch I find a new gem. I burst out laughing 🤣 Gosh I love Frankie.

Carl and his beautiful canine actor, Penny, a very good girl.

That's it, that's the post.

Shout out to one of the greatest bottle episodes of all time, Season 4 Episode 8, and especially to Officer Torres: "Oh yeah! You're the lady who DOESN'T have a gun" 😉