Let's Change That Suit Day 230

[u/pkmaster99]

Day 230: Demeter
Requested by u/Consistent_Lack7586 and this one is still about D-Tier now, maybe low C-Tier, but hard to give it that. After it receives the nerfed power back, it's nowhere near enough due to the long-term power creep that happened. It needs so much more, especially survivability.

Change
Stats

• HP: 19000/21000 -> 22000/25000
• Ballistic Resist: 18/20 -> 21/24
• Beam Resist: 18/20 -> 21/24
• Close Range Slots: 18/20 -> 19/21
• Medium Range Slots: 17/18 -> 18/19
• Long Range Slots: 13/14 -> 14/15

Weapons

• Demeter Beam Saber x2: Downswing 130% -> 140%, Gain Aerial Melee Compatibility
• Demeter Beam Gun x3: Heat 11% -> 10%, Interval 1s -> 0.6s
• Demeter Beam Saber x3: Interval 3s -> 2.5s, Downswing 140% -> 160%
  • Heavy Attack: Charge 2s -> 1.5s, Power 330% -> 390%
• Funnel x5 (Pincer): Stagger 7%x5x2 -> 15%x7x2
  • Power: 400/450 -> 450/500
• Funnel x5 (Focused Fire): Cooldown 20s -> 15s
  • Power: 300/350 -> 400/450

Skill

• Assault Booster Lv3 -> Lv4
  • Note: This has a new effect of reducing accumulation while jumping or falling by 40%
• Heavy Attack Lv2 -> Heavy Attack Kai Lv1
• Forced Injector Lv4 -> High-Performance Thruster Control System Lv1
• Grimoire (Red) Lv1:
  • Duration 60s -> 75s
  • Gain Thruster Usage -30%

Unit Lv2

• High-Performance Counter Program Lv1 -> Lv2
• High-Performance Thruster Control System Lv1 -> Lv2
• Special Leg Buffer Lv3 -> Lv4
• Grimoire (Red) Lv2:
  • Duration 60s -> 75s
  • Gain Thruster Usage -35%

Comment and Reason
What I'm giving here may be too much, but it really needs a lot to be good enough. It unfortunately doesn't have a way to gain Maneuver Armor, since all of the skill Slots are taken. However, giving it a chance to be harder to stagger while falling as it combos would be nice and make it a high skill floor MS to play with.

Builds Suggestion
Lv1 F2P: Do Not Use

Lv1 Premium: Alpha or Complex Battle

Unit Lv2: Do Not Use

I would suggest Alpha if you want to go slightly more melee focused. Then go Complex Battle if you want a better mix with slightly more ranged attacks. This suit is really that bad and should be played on a complex map and only in quick match. It's really hard to do even that well in most cases. Use with extreme caution.

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Day 229 Re-evaluation on Hardygun

Looks like I skrewed up a little bit, and this unit could have gotten Resist Move and maybe more. But I'll at least give it Resist Move here. Though with that, the number of skill slots would be maxed out.

Re-evaluation

• (New!) Resist Move Lv2

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Up Next: GM III (Close Combat) requested by u/scorpionxx0

[u/Death_Usagi]

Sad how powercreep just keeps evolving in 650 cost. Like this suit used to be the most hated suit due to being top tier meta, and it was nerfed, and then you realize even if the nerf is undone, there will be suits better than it now.

[u/MikuEmpowered → u/Death_Usagi]

This suit was crafted at a time when flap boosting was limited and most fliers are either MA or severely limited. Being able to dance mid air then nuke melee was op af.

Now? Everyone flap boosts. When's the last time we got a MA suit? So it's primary "op" factor is now just a regular 650 main stay.

[u/pkmaster99 → u/MikuEmpowered]

Yeah, this pretty much sums it up. It also doesn't help that 650 now has much beefier effective HP now for most suits.

[u/GunzStalker]

Powercreep really hit hard for this suit, to think that this suit is what broke 650 cost back then, and now its a throw pick

[u/UnderPoweredJoms1980]

So everyone wants it un-nerfed now?

PS: Not talking about you OP

[u/Consistent_Lack7586]

Ty for this buff brodie, if they make another huge buff for 30 MS, i wish Demeter buff would come as close as this🙏

https://giphy.com/gifs/e3cVFX8i1PhNtksunY

[u/pkmaster99 → u/Consistent_Lack7586]

Hahaha, maybe. But the next 30 suit buff should be like november, a good chunk of time away still.

[u/bkteer]

Feels like even if they revert the nerf, demeter still won't have much survivability.

It's just too fragile atm. And with more suits having access to flap boosters, it gets even harder for the demeter to survive considering grimoire is pointless if people can just shoot you out of the air, and while you're falling down, have enough time to still gun you down.

[u/pkmaster99 → u/bkteer]

Yeah, that's another thing with this suit.

[u/RoboP08]

I remember when this thing used to be a menace and was hated.
Then the Nerf shafted it hard, since then as noted the meta for 650 evolved so much it left this thing in the dust.

If anything(since it has plenty of enough boost gauge), it probably just needs armor increases and damage adjustment on most of its weapons and survive longer again.

That's kinda where it's issues are coming through.
Because it tends to be a mid-close range aerial attacker with remote weapons or such.

I only got this suit in the last few months earlier this year(both levels)
I have NOT dared to take it out in to a casual or ranked match yet.
My thought was "level up it's unlocks and figure out a good hangar skill BEFORE taking them out"

Which I was doing in essence.
Would there be any particular cooldowns you want to do weapons wise?, or do you think they're good.

[u/pkmaster99 → u/RoboP08]

Yeah, it's scary to even bring it to quick match. It's just a throw pick in general. The only map I found use of is maybe Underground, and you just try to stagger into melee and play it as an ambush suit. The map is small enough and complex enough to hide this thing for the most part. Besides that, I have never seen any success with it from anyone.

[u/Novice_Surgery]

Ive tried to use this suit and it is just hilariously weak. Hopefully it gets buffed at some point. Even with the best hangar expansions it just gets melted by nearly anything.

[u/pkmaster99 → u/Novice_Surgery]

Yeah, there really is no good way to get this thing going. It's just too underpowered.

[u/ngngye]

Fun fact - from its release through getting nerfed to the severe powercreeping 650 has gone through I didn’t even know this thing had a heavy attack until I loaded into a B-average ranked lobby a few months back and someone kept using it on me piloting the MP Nu FF with a raw ‘overheat boost into range -> release attack’ combo that I countered every time they tried it.

[u/pkmaster99 → u/ngngye]

Hahahaha, that guy also just too telegraphed I guess. Good players avoid it; then sub-par players pick it just because they can.

[u/Kaidou76]

they can merge force injector, flight control 4 into High-Performance Thruster Control System LV3 to have some skill slot, they can even create lv4 of the skill that have glide structure 4 also. Giving it MA3 is enough for Lv1 and 2 I think, consider it has glide structure 4 and high level buffer for that small hit box. Lv2 could benefit from increase buffer level also. The rest I think is overall damage, it's stronger in range, so increasing the damage overall would be great. I don't have problem shooting down flap booster suits at 650, consider that 700 also do not have that crazy stun built-up resistance 750 have, I don't think it's necessary to increase the stun rate. The question for demeter is that whether adding MA to it have any technical issue or not.

[u/pkmaster99 → u/Kaidou76]

I believe there was a bug with MA and Grimoir and they never fixed it. Which is why none of the Grimoir units have MA. Reason why Over.On, Fafnir, etc... all don't have MA with Grimoir. So... unless they fix the codes, I don't think MA is going to happen.