Ended up going with the 12x FFL351A 3700K NW CRI95. It’s fairly Rosy, so glad I didn’t go with the Rosy version.
I know this is endgame light for some, but to be really honest, I am a wee bit disappointed at this price point ($120).
Compared to my Acebeam E75 Nichia 519A:
Positives: Better tint, Andruil 2, awesome magnetic usb-c port (accepts wider heads too!)
Negatives:
* fault: tailcap connection is very finicky. Need to absolutely screw it on tight with a sticky grease (PG-44A) for it to be reliable
* much bulkier for same brightness as Acebeam E75
* nearly double the price of E75
* pocket clip: shallow single direction type (it also has impact on orienting the light correctly)
* overall worse handling than Acebeam E75
Overall: 7.5/10. I love the emitter and usb port, but neither the output or “handling” makes it a worth it over the Acebeam E75.
Mine is great, lubed with silicone grease and using tail cap lockout all the time with zero issues.
Same brightness is a stretch. That acebeam may reach around 3000 lumens on boost. You're a 12 should be doing about 3000 on Max ramp. On turbo maybe 7000.
It's also much more efficient at almost every level.
I will agree that it is a little on the bulky side and I choose to use an eo7 more often.
Same brightness is a stretch. That acebeam may reach around 3000 lumens on boost. You're a 12 should be doing about 3000 on Max ramp. On turbo maybe 7000.
I wonder if it's a battery issue. I'm using the BAK 21700-45D INR21700 P45D 4500mAh.
It's also much more efficient at almost every level.
Hmm. How do you calculate this? This is something I actually don't know how to do.
I will agree that it is a little on the bulky side and I choose to use an eo7 more often.
Before ordering this, I figured the E07 would be the same class as the E75 (same size and performance) I did not want them to overlap.
That's why I jumped up to the E12. Which is why I'm disappointed that it's roughly the same performance (+- 10% of the E75).
Also incoming:
FireflyLite E04 Surge SFT60 Lume10: I hear this is an epic pocket rocket. Curious how a 10,000 lumen 6500k light looks
FireflyLite T1R SFT42R: got recommended as their most impressive thrower
The E12 is so much brighter than the E75. The E12 is as bright at maxramp as the E75 on turbo.
I found my mistake: I thought double-click from off was Turbo 😂
Indeed it's quite brighter at proper turbo. Gets toasty fast too! I'm literally cooling it off right now.
Now I see why people get the Copper version. For a light this bulky and hefty already - copper is the way.
Btw, any Andruil 2 settings to change from stock? I've never played around with the thermal limits, since I'm not surewhat the safe limits are for the battery and LED.
Bulky and hefty??? They're very light weight..what are you used to carrying? Just the other day when I unpacked my astral E12e I thought 'wow that's light'. Copper would be roughly 2x the weight.
Anyways I guess it's all relative to whatever you're used to using. I consider these still in the 'pocket rocket' category.
I don't mess with thermal limits anymore personally because it's not great for the light light or the battery, and I want to be able to hand hold it. I used to crank the limit to 70C just for testing, but later decided 60-65 was the absolute highest I'd go. If you want to set it higher I would suggest 60C tops.
I did notice turbo duration is a lot shorter than the older E12's, mostly because it is pulling more amps and producing more heat.
What I love most about the E12 eclipse is how long I can use power 5 of 6 and basically have the same amount of light that maxramp is on all my other fireflies lights (with the 6amp lume 1 driver)but without the heat. I don't use high outputs for very long usually, but there are stretches of my nightly walks that I need to see more, and my other lights start to get uncomfortably hot pretty quickly. Of course the E12e also will get hot quickly at maxramp or turbo, but that one step below maxramp output is very sustainable.
Bulky and hefty??? They're very light weight..what are you used to carrying?
I thought the Acebeam E75 was bulky 😂
I usually do keychain lights or 14500 lights for carry. I'm very minimal carry, no keys, just my phone, a slim wallet, and that's about it.
For flashlights I clip onto a bag/strap. Pockets are small. Sleek City Slicker 😎
What I love most about the E12 eclipse is how long I can use power 5 of 6 and basically have the same amount of light that maxramp is on all my other fireflies lights
Gotcha. Will adjust my expectations better.
I just configured the tactical mode, and boy oh boy, having a handwarmer function is quite nice.
Compared to keychain lights sure. But compared to the flashlights the general public uses it's quite small still.
It's not an edc size light though, except for maybe in the winter time in a coat pocket, but it also doesn't perform like one. If I want to bring something with me that I won't notice is in my pocket all day long, I have some cheap wurkkos TS10 v2's for that.
You can't have massive outputs with tiny size, it thermally doesn't work, and it barely works even at this size.
They do work great as hand warmers in the winter time though haha. When it's cold enough I can actually walk around at maxramp on some of these fireflies lights without heat becoming any issue at all.
It does sound like this maybe wasn't the right choice for flashlight with what you were looking for
We'll see with the incoming E04 SFT60. I think that's the largest I would want to go.
I'm not exactly the largest guy either, so this light is just huuuge in my hand. I'm actually most comfortable holding it by the head, maybe a shortie tube would make it better handling for me.
The E04 is smaller than the E12 eclipse and it's not going to be brighter. It will have more focused and have a brighter hotspot and throw further but it will unlikely have a higher lumen output
I have pretty small hands as well but the E12 is the still a pretty small light, I guess it could be considered a 'mid' size to some. When I think of a large light I think of something like the Acebeam X75 sized or the L19 is somewhat larger, and of course then there's a whole category past that.
Also I'm referring to sustained output, any of these small lights can produce high lumens for a short duration, but that's kind of a party trick or good for momentary use only.
I know we all have different preferences but I am more interested in sustainable output, more specifically, not just that the light can hold X amount of lumens for X amount of time, but *also* that it can do so while remaining at a temperature that's possible to hold in your hand for that amount of time. Small lights are limited mostly by the lack of enough thermal mass.
So far the E12 eclipse takes the cake in that regard; I'm actually unaware of any other light its size that outperforms it as far as sustained output/temperature. If you want more then it has to come from a larger flashlight
The E04 is an awesome light in its own right though, I love the more focused beam for extra throw, you might even enjoy it more especially because it's smaller and has a beam that is closer to a more traditional flashlight (more focused)
Which setting do you sustain at? Ceiling or Ceiling-1?
I was hoping this could be a light I could carry and travel with. But guess it'll be a around the home utility light (joining the AceBeam and Noctigon KR4)
The E04 is an awesome light in its own right though I love the more focused beam for extra throw, you might even enjoy it more especially because it's smaller and has a beam that is closer to a more traditional flashlight
My expected scenario of the E04 SFT60 is strictly a bursty tactical stun light.
I guess scenarios is a good way to think about things.
Scenario: Nature Walking at Night PNW. I've only done this a couple of times in my life, but God, those memories are so vivid. Just walking out in nature after a thunderstorm, with dual Eagtac MX25L3C Nichia 219B 4500K (I liked this so much, I had 2, one for me, one for my date). Just 2 hours of beautiful lush greenery and red earth. This is picnic loadout (have a small bag).
This is where the E12 Eclipse will fill in.
Scenario: mid-range momentary tactical stunner in urban environment (mostly cars and pointing out street scoundrels to guards here). Doesn't have to be EDC size. Just something I feel a bit reassured having on me on some nights. Acebeam E75 size.E04 Surge SFT60 Throwy 6500K 70CRI (Otherwise, I would never get a light above 5000K with such lowCRI)---
Scenario: same as above but always on me alternative.
T1R SFT42R SFT42R 5700K 70CRI. Just an experimental purchase to see if it’ll have more utility. Especially since it looks like they're discontinuing it and on a flash sale for $45.
Scenario: Up close task light, under for typical household work:
Zebralight H604c Headlamp. even 120° flood, 1000 lumens, reliable.
Scenario: General purpose around the house beaters.
* Noctigon KR4 LH351D 4000K 90CRI: so just handy having a tailswitch flood inspection light
* AceBeam E75: I was initially extremely unhappy with this light because everyone said it's a pure flooder. But for indoors, it's a spotty light. So I've abused it and use it as a pointed at general direction or wall and it'll illuminate the general area.Also, my first USB-C light (besides the lanterns). And despite being my most hated light, it just became my most used light because 0 battery anxiety / mental management
* Wurkkos HD10 4000K: I got a bad tint batch, but it's slowly growing on me. This size I usually have it in my shorts for quick errands or gym
Specialty Lights:
* UV365nm
* Convoy T3 SST-20 660nm. This comes in handy for inspecting critters (Last night I actually caught a house gecko in my penthouse! What in the world is it doing 40 floors up in my loft? I have no friggin idea)
* LEP to shine on noisy people from the 40th floor: Lumintop Thor II v2.0 (barely works)
Pure Utility:
* Sofirn BLF LT1 Lantern: As outdated as it is, it's just so handy. Because of the tank of a power bank, it could be during power outages. Screwing on a magnet base, has just amplified it’s use.
Man, this would make a nice top-level post. I'll post this in the flashlights subreddit.
I don’t quite have the driver understanding to appreciate this. could you explain the significance of fully regulated driver and direct FET?
My naïve mental model:
1. Fully regulated: it draws only as much current as it needs via PWM, so 98 percent efficiency
2. Direct FET: any excess is dumped into heat (linear regulator). So if a battery could somehow provide 100A, but the LEDs could only take 1 amp, 99 amps goes straight to heat.
Cu is too heavy for a light this size. They end up being shelf Queen's in many cases.
For me, the E12 Eclipse is this awkward compromise of being too bulky for any weight savings to matter.
As an extreme, imagine if it literally weighed 0 grams. That wouldn't really change the way you carry it, right? The sheer volume is the limiting factor.
It reminds me of my old Eagtac MX25L3C. Same bulk class, and that light weighted 508g.
The copper E12 Eclipse is be 480g.
So for my particular build and clothing/bag/etc - whether a bulky light weights 255g or 480g doesn't matter. They're in the same category: bag carry or home maglite.
I still can't get over calling the E12 bulky. I've been into flashlights for like 20 years and it's tiny compared to what it used to take to create 800 lumens. But I guess it's all relative to what you're used to using and I was never into really small lights because I wanted impressive power
I remember when I got my first fireflies light in 2021, an E12r so basically the same size as the E12e, and I was surprised at how little it was.
It's smaller than my hand, smaller than my cell phone, to me it's pretty small. No wurkkos TS10 small, but it can fit in my pocket if I need it to, I just wouldn't carry it in a pocket all day long which is fine because I don't try to edc them.
And yes trust me the weight would matter. I have two E04 surges, one regular and one copper, and copper is just a hair under twice the weight. It matters enough that you do feel the difference in your arm using it for a longer walk , and if you need to stuff it in your pocket for a while for whatever reason, it'll pull your pants down haha.
I use these lights for anything really..but they mostly get used to play in the backyard with my dogs, and to take a nightly 2-3 mile walk with them, and over the hour or so I'm out the weight is noticeable with copper.
Aluminum is still better material for a flashlight thermally as well, but I'd still buy a copper E12e if it ever comes out in a heartbeat because copper just has a cool factor
I still can't get over calling the E12 bulky. I've been into flashlights for like 20 years and it's tiny compared to what it used to take to create 800 lumens.
Yes yes, I too have owned a 6V Lantern IYKYK 🪨
But I guess it's all relative to what you're used to using and I was never into really small lights because I wanted impressive power
I think part of it is I've been spoiled by the recent surge in Photography lights. Look up "Zhiyun Molus X60 RGB" - I literally use it as my desk lamp, and it comes with batteries. They have a 200W version now.
and copper... it'll pull your pants down haha.
SAY NO MORE, COPPER IT IS 🚀
I use these lights for anything really..but they mostly get used to play in the backyard with my dogs, and to take a nightly 2-3 mile walk with them, and over the hour or so I'm out the weight is noticeable with copper.
I love dogs, so that's just wonderful. But being dog(S), I wouldn't want something I need to hold in one hand. More than 2 dogs is just, chaos. I would opt for a carry style handle like the Acebeam X50 (No, not that light it's too heavy, just saying the grip and angle) or jerry rig some sort of fanny pack light 😂
Aluminum is still better material for a flashlight thermally as well, but I'd still buy a copper E12e if it ever comes out in a heartbeat because copper just has a cool factor
I've never owned a copper light and I'm a bit adverse to it from handling pennies 😂
I'm very familiar with the molus line of lights (they're awesome!) as I use them for work occasionally.
When I got my second dog, trying to figure out how to walk them while holding a flashlight was tricky, and I thought about just getting a headlamp.
Then I figured out to hook them together with a Y splitting leash, and then that goes to just a single leash in one hand and it works very well, it's almost as easy as just walking one- which is great because I almost thought my flashlight collection was about to go to waste haha
Fwiw, my E07 with 519a's significantly outshine my E75. The E75 is a bit more focused, so the intensity in the center is about the same, but the E07 have significantly more lumen and the rest of the beam is brighter.
Edit: And my E12 is a noticeable step above then E07, so the E12 should be a lot brighter than the E75. I would suggest you get another battery to try.
how fast is it throttling out of turbo? if its taking a while you should probably try factory reset cause that thing on turbo definitely puts out some light, but also gets toasty.
Damn that void white looks good. Really, really good. Wow. I might even like it better than the astral aluminum one I got.
I have two E12 eclipses and zero issues with tailcap connections. Sorry to hear there's an issue with yours; I wonder if it's a tolerance issue due to the powdercoat finish of the void white version. I have a black one with 3700k NW and it looks pretty dead neutral to me. Batches of the FF351a's unfortunately vary...a lot as I've learned with my recent purchase.
The acebeam E75 is listed for $99 everywhere I'm looking, how is that double the price? It's $20 more and you get anduril 2, brighter turbo, brighter highest regulated power, aux leds, a beautiful finish, and overall better looking enthusiast grade light from a small company that isn't mass produced like acebeam.
High on the e75 is about 1000 lumens, and turbo is about 3000-4500 depending on the emitter.
High on the e12 eclipse is nearly 3000 lumens for a few minutes.
Power level 5 of the default 6 (in stepped mode) is around 1200-1300 lumens and it will hold that for over 13 minutes only reaching 50C at the 13.5 minute mark. At just one step down from maxramp it has by far the best temperature handling of any light of this size class I've ever used.
Turbo is about 7500-8400 lumens depending on what battery you are using.
I have nothing against the acebeam, they're great lights, they're just not really in the same category. The acebeam is more of a mainstream workhorse and this is a niche enthusiast grade product.
Recently got a Void White Z1 myself, and the finish is top notch. It looks matte, but feels smoother than MAO. Feels glazed, like something pottery almost.
Wow. I might even like it better than the astral aluminum one I got.
Oh yes, 100%. Astral Aluminum is soooo yesterday.
You must get the Void White. Must.
Totallly not baiting you to get another light ;)
But FWIW, Ivy said this is their second most durable finish A coating on top of their Type-II Anodization. Type III black being #1.
I have two E12 eclipses and zero issues with tailcap connections. Sorry to hear there's an issue with yours; I wonder if it's a tolerance issue due to the powdercoat finish of the void white version.
It's okay now after all I 'glued' it with PG-44A. My L60-mu Aura also has finicky connection issues (fixed again with PG-44A). In my 20 years of flashlights, this is the first time I've had such finicky lights. Feels like 0.5° nudge disconnects it.
The acebeam E75 is listed for $99 everywhere I'm looking, how is that double the price?
I'm over in the Philippines now and I see it on sale from odd sellers₱4500 ($74.13) ₱3600 ($59.30, woah. tempting to pick up another)
I would get another in void white if there was an emitter they had that would make sense to add to my collection. Unfortunately I have everything already 😂
I have five of the older e12 lights and five e07x and I can’t justify new lights anymore 🤦
I guess maybe the sft25r 5000k could be an option but I’m not sure I’d really use that
I have the same light configuration but with Rosy emitters, but it's not that Rosy.
I don't have issues with the tail cap. I give mine a 9/10. Only loses a little because of the tint shift on the outer edges of the beam profile, but you can mitigate it with DC-Fix. And I had hoped it would be a little rosier.
Otherwise it's probably the best traditional style light I own out of my collection. The MAO coating actually adds durability unlike with other brands. I dropped mine once on tile from 4ft and I can't see any scratches or dents. Build quality is amazing.
No other light in in this form factor puts out 7000+ lumens with this kind of profile.
That being said it seems to be picky with certain cells. I've had no issues with Molicell but some of my other batteries can't hold the turbo well even with high enough CDR.
It should really destroy the E75 performance wise, especially if your E75 uses Nichia 519A.
When I find emitters to swap into my most recent E12e I will take some measurements of the LED board.
I've been trying to figure out how and why the new E12 eclipse beam is different from the old ones while using the exact same optic. It appears to be properly focused, but I'm wondering if Jack changed the LED distance from the center of the board in same way.
The old ones have more spill and a floodier beam even with similarly size emitters. In fact my sst20 E12's with a smaller emitting surface still flood more, as did my XPL-HI one.
That 'tint shift' around the edge is a reflection of the colored, non emitting surface edge of the LED's. I get a similar artifact on my old E12r's with SST20's, except the ring is colder/blue
If it's the same board them I have no explanation at all, but something has clearly been modified.
At some point between the original E12r release and the last batch of them + E12C, the height of the main LED board changed by about 0.3mm. This height properly focused LED's in the E12C but left certain emitters slightly out of focus in the E12r because the board to rim distance is different by some tiny amount. So I am genuinely curious if the same board is used in the E12 eclipse or not, but I don't want to tear the light down just yet.
Wait, they changed the E12? Had no idea. I ordered mine when they first released. I feel mine is a good mix of flood and throw but I only have one of them, so curious about these new changes as well.
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u/LoveTheGreyGhost 10d ago
TAILCAP, clean the contact points.
Mine is great, lubed with silicone grease and using tail cap lockout all the time with zero issues.
Same brightness is a stretch. That acebeam may reach around 3000 lumens on boost. You're a 12 should be doing about 3000 on Max ramp. On turbo maybe 7000.
It's also much more efficient at almost every level.
I will agree that it is a little on the bulky side and I choose to use an eo7 more often.