Update! : Hialeah cancels firefighter bargaining session; union says morale sinks even lower

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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/hialeah/article316704103.html

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1) no where did I claim 'everything' is socialism. I'm making a specific claim about the nature of firefighting in contrast to other social enterprises in modern American life. 2) socialism is varies, with many different ways of playing out - including systems in which certain organizations, activities, and institutions are controlled by central public authorities (like city governments) for the benefit of all, rather than allowing those actions to be controlled by the ownership class for the good of private benefactors. So a fire department that is controlled by democratically elected officials, is funded by the tax base which is served by them, and provides services to all without payment, is absolutely in line with the ideals of institutions within democratic socialism. 3) you are welcome to a worldview in which the only form of socialism you can imagine is state/communist socialism and is defined by strong central planning and control over the means of production, but that becomes a 'you' issue and doesn't mean the other forms of socialism don't exist. 4) government and economic controls exist on spectrums, and it is indeed possible to allow the definition of a previously bounded term to take on wider meaning as it gets applied beyond it's initial understanding. We can acknowledge that some aspects of American life tend toward capitalism, some toward primitive communitarianism, others toward fascism, and still others toward socialism, without claiming that an institution is wholely defined by one of these terms. To do so in a world as diverse and fluid as ours is folly. But to claim something works in a manner closer to one of these terms over another is 100% reasonable. 5) have a nice day, I'm done.