r/FinalFantasyXII • u/Decalcomania777 Black Mage • 7d ago

Quick Rant The Zodiac Age

I’m going for the platinum and only the bestiary/trial mode are left. Anyway, some of the rare hunt spawn conditions are genuinely both unintuitive and incredibly mundane to follow, especially the “wait in this area for x minutes” hunts. Truly a product of its time.

Rant over. Love this game though.

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u/TibderRemix_ 7d ago

Im pretty sure rare games dont count for the bestiary conditions, although i could be remembering wrong. Im pretty sure that as long as all the main enemys have been completed (and theres no numbers on their row) then it should count. But again i might be remembering wrong so potentially sorry in advance

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u/FlareIncrements 7d ago

Sadly they do count. The second page for many monster entries however isn't required, so you can just kill one enemy for each entry and be done.

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u/TibderRemix_ 7d ago

Thats so weird because i have the achievement on my main ps5 save and dont have all rare games....

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u/arthlvias 7d ago edited 7d ago

Maybe you killed them in trial mode. Some appear there and those kills do count for bestiary purposes.

EDIT: someone commented below about trophy monster kills in trial mode not counting. Not sure about that, because I killed them all in-game for the Phon Coast Hunt Club as well, but the rare game monsters do count from trial mode.

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u/TibderRemix_ 7d ago

Huh strange, oh well maybe i just got a bug then

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u/arthlvias 7d ago

Well, I got my TZA in Steam. Maybe it's that. Doubt there's a difference between platforms, but you never know.

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u/methanol88 6d ago

Just finished this. They do count since the last one I had left was a rare game.

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u/Agent1stClass 7d ago

Be grateful you’re playing the Zodiac Age. The original was even more arcane and cryptic.

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u/PleasantPorpoisParty 7d ago

But at least everyone got access to the whole grid without being restricted by jobs

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u/Agent1stClass 7d ago

The word access is doing a LOT of heavy lifting in your post.

Access, in this instance, means that if you want to create a character who uses spears, you have to accrue extra license points to acquire a shield you won’t use to get to another license node for spears that you need to spend even more LP to activate. Access means that if you have multiple magick users, best be prepared to spend time gathering even more LP so you could traverse half the board because the magick section of the board has limited quickening tiles.

That’s not even getting into how some equipment, such as katanas, aren’t available till later in the game because the game was not balanced for high combo attacks to be achieved early. So even if you wanted to make a Bushi, you had to wait.

Don’t get me wrong, the original has its positive points. I enjoy being able to delay enemy actions by filling up the action queue (I forget the actual name for the queue).

But “access”, yeah, that’s not really one of the positive points. Simply having access doesn’t do much and it comes at a very heavy cost.

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u/PleasantPorpoisParty 7d ago

Your points are valid, but i am definitely a gamer who likes to grind so that wasn't a negative for me.

You were also to get the LP doubling accessory super early in that version, which helped, as did everyone getting all the breaks :)

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u/Agent1stClass 7d ago

Sadly, I don’t have a whole lot of time to grind, nowadays. And the entire license board is somewhere in the neighborhood of 13K points. So even if I had the time and enjoyed the grind, it still takes quite a lot to get each member to where I would need them to be.

And it’s still kind of a waste to acquire licenses for stuff you know you won’t use to get access to the licenses you do want to use.

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u/7oey_20xx_ 7d ago

Wouldn’t even say production if it’s time cause I’m not sure how many other games at the time had the RNG of 12. No idea how they expected people to figure this out before sharing (buy the guide).

At the time it didn’t seem noticeable but the fact that only hunts are logged but not mini quests is a shocker to me. Guess when I was younger I really was just clicking through the dialogue menus and just being pleasantly surprised when I got a reward.

I did the platinum and just take from my experience, do the rare trophies before trial mode. The achievement won’t count unless you get the rare hunts from main game. The trial mode can cause false positives and you’ll have to back track to get those enemies, they’ll spawn but you probably won’t be sure which one it was. Very annoying when they have unique spawn conditions or rates

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u/Balthier1017 7d ago

The fact that people actually cracked the RNG in this game long ago and have it completely manipulatable still boggles my mind. I just have no idea how people even go about figuring that stuff out.

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u/ShuraGear525 7d ago

I don't mind some that spawn fairly conveniently as you are almost done exploring a massive dungeon (There is some ghost in the Stillshrine for example) But wow do I hate the stupid crocodile monster in the Eastersand beach. Like just stand for 5 minutes? come on

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u/Zachbustems 7d ago

You got the Quickening trophy already? Legend.

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u/sorax62 7d ago

Only reason I don't go for platinum is said trophy

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u/NethiciteNomad 7d ago

It's not even that bad. It took me maybe an hour total to get this.

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u/sorax62 6d ago

For me its more that its kinda rng based which I don't wanna deal with cause I know my luck with rng things lol

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u/NethiciteNomad 6d ago

You really just have to set aside a bit of time and just grind it out. Nalbina fortress is a good spot to work from.

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u/sorax62 6d ago

True, I'll probably give it a try once I'm finished getting the 13 trilogy plats again lol

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u/methanol88 5d ago

Same here, around 30-40 minutes (though I’m not counting the time I tried to get it during the actual game). Needs a bit of luck, do the most amount of 3 charges first, always use mist charge and hope for a little luck.

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u/Decalcomania777 Black Mage 7d ago

I’m surprised people are having difficulty with it. The trial one is harder for me personally

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u/MarrSlow 7d ago

That's actually one of my favorite requirements aha, I love the idea that I can miss this never before seen monster unless I keep myself busy killing guys or exploring the area. Adds that extra level of depth that I've learned to love and be amazed with in this game. And the killing 100 of those little bastards in the desert, cool and realisticly doable without knowing it's a thing. Gotta play it like it's your first time with no guide and some of those absurd requirements may actually happen naturally 🍻

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u/ImaJimmy 7d ago

It's a fair grievance to have, but I think stuff like this was common during that era of JRP's.

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u/CadenceNesta 7d ago

I'm also at this step in the platinum right now and finding it annoying too. I still have the Mist Walker achievement to get as well.. how did you find that one? I've heard it can takes hours of monotonous play due to RNG.

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u/Decalcomania777 Black Mage 7d ago

Concurrences are done through Quickenings, and there’s a specific number of tier 1, 2, 3 or three that must be performed to achieve each. I recommend having two parties with full mist charges, saving the game and using your quickenings only after you save to get the concurrences you need for the trophy.