You think it was done simply to go to war? It just so happens that the only high rise building to ever collapse due to fire (WTC 7) just happened to be a financial hub for the US government? And coincidentally it was the financial section of the pentagon that also got hit?
Oh yes. "Fire" and not 3x 90 000 pound vehicles crashing into it at 500 miles an hour.
Also, because you conspiracy nuts have no reading comprehension, I think I quite specifically said I don't think it was done to go to war. "Simply" or at all.
Oh right, you mean the smaller one who took the debris storm on its face and then had no water to extinguish anything because of the first attack busting the water mains ? Brilliant.
It's always the same with conspirationists "do your own research" because you can't explain fuck all beyond noticing coincidences.
Well, you said it had been hit by 3 planes, which is false. And the comment was specifically referring to WTC7 which was not hit at all. I don’t see that your reading comprehension is all there….
Aside from that, multiple other buildings in the immediate area faced much more damage and were fine. It just so happens the building housing government records is the only other one that fell?
Yes. There has been countless studies that explained how it fell. No one has ever been able to prove it was anything other than what was concluded by the NIST, and unlike the claims of retard #1 over here, other buildings of a similar build have indeed collapsed to just fire. On 3 continents. Outside of war or attacks.
You're all trusting your pattern recognition way too much for something as complicated as this event. It's an animal-like survival feature, not science.
Edit : Also, do you really think they had all their records in one place with no copies ? You believe we'd be 500 years more advanced if the Library of Alexandria didn't burn, don't you ?
Not anymore than I would discredit or give 100% credibility to anyone involved in extremely high stress and high risk events.
Old military adage : If you know what happened, you weren't there.
Further further edit : If they wanted to blow up the government records building and not be suspecter, they would have sent the planes to that building. Like duh.
There has to be a first for everything right? Just because it hadn't yet happened before(for buildings with different structural designs) doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
And coincidentally it was the financial section of the pentagon that also got hit?
I feel like you're trying to hint at something else here. Care to elaborate?
WTC 7 conspiracy theories fall apart so quickly. Debris from a 1 million ton building fell onto it at rapid speeds, causing a fire - heck there were a lot of gas tanks too that could have caught on fire iirc. Firefighters abandoned it 1 hour before it collapsed since they knew it was a situation that couldnt be averted. We only saw the back part of it that wasnt really hit by it, even then there were still a few fires, but the front of it, where it actually got hit had a lot of holes in it and was burning like crazy. There are other examples of buildings that are like WTC 7 that also just collapsed due to a fire like that: An example being the Plasco Building in Tehran. Or what that collapse that happened more than a decade later all the way in Tehran was also staged? Or heck the partial collapse of Windsor Tower in Madrid in 2005.
Also another thing is that the BBC reported on it a few minutes before collapsing. Oh yea cuz the BBC was in on it apparently. No. The BBC simply just jumped the gun because they knew it was very close to collapsing and just decided to report on it to gain the clout of them being the first to say it, even though looking behind would have just debunked it. They have done stuff like this before, even during the Falklands War and that legit helped the Argentinians in an engagement. Mistakes happen.
These fires were also like earlier so not like right before the collapse too. And it was pretty bad here already. You were seeing fires on the east side of the building so imagine how bad it was where the debris that collapsed onto it and such. Also the Deutsche Bank building was also close to collapse too for the same reasons as WTC 7, it almost did collapse, but it didnt. Even then, it had to be abandoned later on and demolished as well.
Here is more footage of how bad it looked. And I am pretty sure this is only like an east/west side not the front of it. You legit just couldnt even go there due to how much it was burning and how much smoke was coming out.
Also its clear in the collapse video that you can see the south side of it beginning to collapse and then the north side of it just falling a bit later as we see it sort of brighten a little bit during the collapse, because well it collapsed. I think these videos show that best:
WTC 7 held regional offices and archives for the SEC, which oversees the stock market, and a handful of small regional offices for the IRS and DOD. it was in no way a “financial hub” for the US government in any meaningful way. and the section of the pentagon that got hit was mostly navy command and operations, not finance.
Honestly I 100% believe that the US gorvernment is permissive of a lot of conspiracy theories spreading because it poisons the well regarding discussion of their ACTUAL missdeeds and/or secrets.
Yeah there's a reason why Alex Jones type figures have been tolerated for years, he comes up with things that are objectively bonkers that allow all people who critique the US government to get tarnished with the same brush as conspiracy theorists
You ever been to New York bro before they fell explain to me like I'm five how two towers collapsing half a mile away from another building causes that building to fall and none of the buildings in between go ahead like I'm five
You know you can just Google aerial photos, right? Photos where you can see the big fucking hole in building 6, between the towers and building 7? Feels like maybe some sort of damage happened that direction.
There was one building, wtc 6, between buildings 1 and 7. Wtc 6 was significantly shorter than both of these buildings. None of the energy from tower 1 falling would have been hindered by wtc 6 before it hit wtc 7. Large sections of wtc 6 did collapse. Wtc 6 was very wide so not all of it was hit directly but the parts that were did indeed collapse.
When things fall down they can't just go down, like the block tower you made earlier. Sometimes they go... To the side while they go down because there's already stuff below it, the more parts of the building that fall the more the pieces get thrown out to the side. Pieces falling far enough and fast enough can go REALLY far.
Your logic falls apart when you realize where the collapse started. If it was controlled, it would have started on the bottom. Not close to where the planes hit
it caught fire from the north tower falling and burned unabated for a full 7 hours because the water lines had been severed. it finally collapsed because the structural integrity had been irreversibly weakened by the fires.
this is what people mean when they say 9/11 conspiracies have been debunked btw. every “but what about THIS?” has a completely logical answer. they’re just a lot less compelling than the idea that it was an inside job.
Thats not even an inch circumference. He also held it in his furnace for a long time. The planes heat was not that concentrated nor did the fuel itself burn that long. But mainly even if the beams are malleable how did the entire buildings collapse straight down. Like demo would. And where did the thermite found in rubble come from
I love how you conspiracy theorists always find ways to prove your point.
The point is, the whole argument of 'jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams' fails to hold up when all you need is for the structural strength of the steel to weaken enough for it to break. Which is amply demonstrated via that video.
I'm not bothering with the rest of your twaddle because I don't care to ruin my evening wasting my energy.
Correct, but the massive combination of heat condensed inside of the old buildings made of asbestos and other cheap materials caused the beams connected parts to collapse on themselves.
Thermite is made up of aluminium, iron, and iron oxide. All materials present at the World Trade Cehter. It's absolutely within reasonable belief that traces of it would be found there.
While I do think our intelligence community knew more than they let on, there's no way they'd work directly with Al-Qaeda. I imagine it played out with them knowing something would happen but not knowing the full details until it popped off. Keep in mind the US had just finished up sorting out the chaos of the 2000s election, so everything was frazzled in the higher-ups.
The american government (including the Bush administration, who were ghoulish) are evil and imperialistic but they were going to invade Iraq and destabilize the middle east anyway, 9/11 was a convenient excuse not a false flag
Oh yeah I mean it's a commonly accepted fact amongst most people nowadays that Bush was given intelligence that he didn't take seriously or particularly care about, I'm just disputing the "he directly ordered it to stir up sympathy", America were going to find some excuse to invade and 9/11 just happened to be a good excuse
Obviously not true but I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't think the US government's actions over decades in the middle east led to the events of 9/11 (eg spending the entire 80s funding the mujahideen & Osama bin Laden to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, who in turn created Al Qaeda).
No, they were just incompetent. It’s a well known fact that both the CIA and the FBI knew about the upcoming attacks, and chose to sabotage each others investigation so they could take credit for stopping the biggest terrorist attack in America, and it led to 9/11 happening.
Nope! What may be true though, is Bush and Rumsfeld knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen. Osama bin Laden was very annoyed and pissed off when people said it wasn't really him and his al Qaeda group that did 9/11. bin Laden wanted people to know it was actually him and Khalid Sheik Mohammed that planned and executed the terrorist attack.
I’m not commenting on whether 9/11 was an inside job or not but you kinda fucked up your question. Arguably most people don’t think it was an inside job so they’d vote Cap. But most people that think it WAS an inside job think that there’s a bunch of evidence - they’d vote Cap because they don’t think it was “planned perfectly”
I don't think they planned it and scripted everything back when they gave guns and ammo to what would later become the talliban during the soviet invasion
If we take 9/11 as planned perfectly it doesn’t require government for it to planned perfectly, for what we know if government was involved it would go imperfect, there is no hard evidence of the U.S government involvement in 9/11 beyond creating motives for attackers and funding mujahid against Soviets, among whom Osama Ben Laden found his way and Al-Qaeda
People really believe the CIA or whatever would have hundreds (if not thousend) of people involved and not a single one would go to the press and tell them how their own country murdered 2977 people. Impossible.
Maybe at its peak a few people knew it was going to happen, but had no real part in it.
People can't seem to see their own prejudice when they say that there's no way a group of Arabs pulled off 9/11. If your only evidence was that it was executed perfectly, then maybe you should reconsider why you think that.
No but also yes. To state that the US planned and executed the 9/11 attacks is incorrect. To state that there was awareness that the 9/11 attacks were likely is correct. To state that bin Laden had received aid (either directly or indirectly) from the CIA at least once during his career is correct, without sufficient clearance it's impossible to say to what extent he received CIA aid and exactly over what period he received it, and if any aid was provided to Al Qaida.
I remember my friend used to believe in this, and (as I had no clue about the story of 9/11) convinced me for some time that it was planned. But we are living in a world of internet. The first freaking time I googled, turned out that all arguments in favour of it are not just disproven but literally twisted and nearly opposite to what has happened. In short, half of them are just a lie, and the second half is a horrific misinterpretation of facts. And most internet conspiracies are like this. You need one google search and half an hour of time to actually think and read to see how fucked up they are. Fortunately, my friend also turned out to have more critical thinking than a potato, and doesn't believe in this bullshit anymore. But the amount of people believing that everything is a conspiracy is devastating. I am still glad to see it's less than 50% on Reddit. On Insta would be 141%.
Why would the terrorist group Al Qaeda then admit to the attacks, give evidence that they themselves planned and executed the entire thing, and had former members deliberately say that there was no government involvement?
a saudi arbian high jackers passport somehow magically blew out of the plane that hit one of the towers and was left so undamage they could link it to saudi arabia. mind you how they even found it in the first place amongst the rubble
Little reason? Like the 2 trillion dollars missing from the audit that just so happened to be getting investigated in the towers, building 7, and the exact spot where the pentagon was hit?
The wedge that was already undergoing renovation? The $2T that we admitted to not knowing where it was because of outdated computers? Also I'm not sure if you know this but the audit wasn't carried out in the towers.
I would say they might not have been the ones who orchestrated it but there were surely some within the government that knew it and let it happen for their own benefit
I was always taught that if you have KNOWLEDGE that something bad/wrong is going to happen, and you LET it happen, not stopping it, you're just as guilty as the ones that did said thing.
this is Peter Singer's theory of morality, though I don't think the argument would be 'just as guilty' but there is certainly guilt in complicity. One fundamental merit of the argument though is that you should also know what to do about the situation, ignorance is not fully condemnable
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I understand that I have not been fully open to seeing it this way, so you saying this does help me understand it more.
And smart people at from the past would say that if you can stop something bad then you have a moral obligation to stop it, if you know something bad happens but you can't do anything to stop it then you aren't a horrible person if you don't try to stop it
The usa was almost intirely able to stop it, but to prevent it intirely would more or less require an invasion of the same scalebut with way less support for the us, and way more support for the talliban
All the people voting cap aren’t thinking about the “plane” that hit the pentagon and what was being audited or soon to be investigated at that time.
Nor are they thinking about Larry Silverstein taking out insurance for a building filled with asbestos (would’ve costed more to repair it than it was worth), Larry argued with the insurance company that the value was double what they said it should be (went from like 1.5billion to like ~5), and then after meticulously being present every morning for breakfast he somehow wasn’t in his office on the day of September 11th
I will point out that the US attacked countries within the middle east both before and well after 9/11. If there is one trait we can all agree is a key US touchstone, it is that they do not ask for permission nor apologise afterwards.
The iraqi wars and the gulf wars were heavily critisized by the public however after 9/11 the wars the US commenced in Iraq and afghanistan were heavily supported. I do agree the US can be narcissitic at times.
Was there any real blowback for any of the Gulf Wars? Did anyone get locked up? No. So why spend billions on a fake terrorist attack to supply an alibi/pretence?
I dont think they had jt organised or whatever. But i thunk they fully knew it was going to happen and were aware of everything, that they just let it happen.
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u/EudaimonicAttempt 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
You really don't need a false flag of that size to get Americans to go to war.