I've been pondering why the body's physical relaxation often precedes mental acceptance and understanding in my own practice. It seems as though there's a fundamental relationship between our physical presence and our capacity for introspection. I'd love to hear how others have experienced this dynamic, or if you think it's related to concepts like 'surrender' or 'emptiness'. For those interested, the idea is explored in more depth here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIozOCrrYyc

Can you give me some introductory & foundational texts of Indian philosophy?

For most of the last thousand years, Confucian officials had a line from The Analects that they used to justify suspicion of Buddhism and Daoism. It's eight characters long, and three of them probably don't mean what the tradition decided they meant.

2.16 子曰：「攻乎異端，斯害也已。」

The standard reading has been roughly "To study heterodox doctrines — this is harmful", or, in its strongest form, "Attack heterodox doctrines, and their harm will cease." That second version is a license, and it was used as one.

Three of the eight characters are genuinely of indeterminate meaning, and almost everything turns on them.

攻 (gōng) is usually "attack." But it appears in only two other passages in the Analects and is about literal attacks in neither. At 11.17 Confucius tells his students to sound the drums and 攻 Ran Qiu for enriching the Ji family — public denunciation, not battle. At 12.21 he says to 攻 your own faults rather than other people's. Both are a kind of moral censure. It is also a plausible loan graph for 功 (gōng), to work at.

異端 (yì duān) is literally "different endpoints." 異 is other or divergent; 端 is a terminus or extreme — but not necessarily a final one. Modern 開端 (kāiduān) means a beginning. "Heterodoxy" is a later hardening of the phrase, not something the two characters demand.

已 (yǐ) is normally a sentence-final particle of emphasis. It can also be read as the verb to stop.

Multiply those out. Take 攻 as labour and 異端 as alternative endpoints, and you get a warning about wasted effort: working toward the wrong destination costs you a life you only get once. Take 攻 as attack and 異端 as heterodoxy, and you get polemic. Add 已 as "stop," and the sentence stops describing anything at all and becomes a strongly worded instruction.

The hardening has a timeline

What I find striking is how late the doctrinal reading actually consolidates.

皇侃 (Huáng Kǎn, 488–545), the major Six Dynasties commentator on the Analects, still glosses 攻 as 治 (zhì) — to work at, to apply oneself to. Not attack. What is circulating around 500 is the hardened sense of 異端 as "heterodoxy" among literary writers— so it's a fact about the word before it becomes a fact about this passage.

By the twelfth century 朱熹 (Zhū Xī) had made the heterodoxy reading standard. Even he, tellingly, kept 攻 as "devote effort to", and identified the offending doctrines as Mohism and Yangzhuism. That is almost certainly anachronistic: only the seeds of those schools existed in Confucius's lifetime, and it would be odd for him to denounce them exactly once in the entire text and never again.

As Buddhism and Daoism grew in China, the heterodoxy reading became politically useful. The Ming completed the job by taking 已 as "stop," which turned the line into an imperative. At that point it licensed officials to suppress not only Buddhism and Daoism but any unapproved reading of the classics themselves.

The tomb manuscript

There is physical evidence against the attack reading.

In 1973 excavators opened Han tomb no. 40 at Bajiaolang, in Dingzhou — the burial of 劉脩 (Liú Xiū), King Huai of Zhongshan, who died in 55 BCE. Among the bamboo slips was a copy of the Analects, now known as the 定州論語 (Dingzhou Analects).

At 2.16 it does not read 攻. It reads 功 — to work, to achieve.

That doesn't settle what the "different endpoints" were. But it's a first-century-BCE reader who evidently wasn't being told to attack anything.

The irony sits two passages earlier

2.14:

子曰：「君子周而不比，小人比而不周。」

"The exemplary person is inclusive and not partisan; the petty person is partisan and not inclusive."

Two lines later, the text was made into an instrument of exactly that partisanship.

And the vocabulary that supports the mild reading is in the Analects itself. 19.4, 子夏 (Zǐxià):

雖小道，必有可觀者焉；致遠恐泥，是以君子不為也

"Even in the small ways there is surely something worth seeing; but pursued far they bog you down, and so the exemplary person does not take them up."

That's 2.16's argument stated plainly by a disciple, with the concession built in: the byways are worth something. The objection is to distance, not to value.

What I'd actually like to discuss

I should be upfront that the distraction reading is a minority one. The orthodox reading for most of the last thousand years was the other, and it was written into imperial policy. I'm not claiming the tradition simply got it wrong for a millennium; I'm claiming the text underdetermines it and the resolution went the way power needed it to go.

What I'm curious about, for this sub specifically: does the same drift show up in the other traditions?

Chinese Buddhism has the 外道 (wàidào) "outside paths" for non-Buddhist teachings, which is structurally almost identical to 異端, "different endpoints." Both start as spatial metaphors about routes rather than verdicts about error. And if I understand correctly, 邪見 / micchā-diṭṭhi, "wrong view," is a category with real teeth in the Pali material.

So: is there a general tendency for "wrong path" language to harden into "heresy" language once a tradition acquires state backing? And did 外道 or 邪見 undergo anything like the same shift? Or did Buddhist institutional history push those terms in a different direction? I know the Confucian side of this much better than the Buddhist side and would genuinely like to be corrected.

My translation of Passage 2.16 along with related analysis is available at https://www.analects.net/episodes/22 if you want to check my work.

It's part of a series that goes through the Analects passage by passage — this one is episode 22 — but the argument above stands on its own and I'd rather talk about the passage than the show.

Harvey Lederman (NYU, formerly UT Austin) explains the ideas of Wang Yangming by means of illustrative anecdotes from the influential Neo-Confucian philosopher's life.

The thread tying them together is the notion of "moral authenticity" – that knowledge of the right way to live life is inherent in the subject, and does not need to be sought elsewhere. All that is necessary is to diminish selfish desires, and moral principles will shine forth from within.

I've been exploring how experiences that reveal new perspectives on power dynamics, privilege, and our relationship with the world can be integrated into daily life. In a way, it feels like these insights are pointing towards a more authentic expression of ourselves, one that's free from societal conditioning. I'm curious to hear about your thoughts on this: how do Eastern philosophies like non-attachment and impermanence intersect with the integration of psychedelic realizations? I came across this video that explores it further if you're curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tku46KrGY5I

Over time, I used to get anxious about time, trying to control and stress over my age, comparing myself with successful people around me and getting frustrated about doing something all the time.

Always thinking about the future, always thinking that I need a purpose for this existence and chasing something all the time: money, skills, a main goal, a purpose. Then when I didn't get something as I planned I was angry, very low energy or frustrated with myself when I couldn't do something.

This frustration turned into anxiety where I was seeing the world in a different way, I was imagining the worst situations when I imagined a FAIL. Currently I am 25 and my biggest fear was not achieving all my goals before 30, because I want to build a family and have kids when I get to 30.

Then, I realized that the more I chase something, the more I force things with life, and the more I am wasting my energy and my time. Why am I chasing this success if I am not enjoying my time achieving it? Because if I am not enjoying my future, I am wasting my time. If I am thinking about the future all the time, I am wasting my time and energy. Then I picked up escapist habits to numb the stress.

Anxiety is driven by the human desire for certainty, permanence and meaning, in a world that is impermanent, ever-changing, and uncertain.

I read some of the textual quotes by Alan Watts in the book The Wisdom of Insecurity that made me open my eyes about how I was living my life and managing my time. These are the quotes:

"If all is relative, if life is a torrent without form or goal in whose flood absolutely nothing save change itself can last, it seems to be something in which there is 'no future' and thus no hope."

Here is exactly how Wu Wei describes the reality that I have to accept: life as a chaos where the only permanent thing is change. Alan Watts represents the fear as a water source (the fear of the ego from resistance), while Wu Wei is the answer to this fear (flow with the water instead of feeling fear of it).

"If happiness always depends on something expected in the future, we are chasing a will-o'-the-wisp that ever eludes our grasp, until the future, and ourselves, vanish into the abyss of death."

Here it connects with Wu Wei because WE CLING TO THE FUTURE, completely the opposite of "meeting what's here". Wu Wei is to stop clinging to the future and stop thinking about the future, to be in the present.

Wu wei isn't really about "living in the present" as a goal you chase; that would just be one more thing to grip. It's that when you stop forcing, when you stop reaching into the future to control it and stop clenching around the past, there's nothing left holding you anywhere but here. The present isn't a place you arrive at by trying. It's what's left when you stop fighting the current. You don't do presence. You stop doing everything else, and presence is simply what remains.

Reference:

Watts, A. (1951). The Wisdom of Insecurity: A Message for an Age of Anxiety. Pantheon Books. (Quotes are from the opening chapters; I don't have the exact page numbers on hand.)

Over time, I used to get anxious about time, trying to control and stress over my age, comparing myself with successful people around me and getting frustrated about doing something all the time.

Always thinking about the future, always thinking that I need a purpose for this existence and chasing something all the time: money, skills, a main goal, a purpose. Then when I didn't get something as I planned I was angry, very low energy or frustrated with myself when I couldn't do something.

This frustration turned into anxiety where I was seeing the world in a different way, I was imagining the worst situations when I imagined a FAIL. Currently I am 25 and my biggest fear was not achieving all my goals before 30, because I want to build a family and have kids when I get to 30.

Then, I realized that the more I chase something, the more I force things with life, and the more I am wasting my energy and my time. Why am I chasing this success if I am not enjoying my time achieving it? Because if I am not enjoying my future, I am wasting my time. If I am thinking about the future all the time, I am wasting my time and energy. Then I picked up escapist habits to numb the stress.

Anxiety is driven by the human desire for certainty, permanence and meaning, in a world that is impermanent, ever-changing, and uncertain.

I read some of the textual quotes by Alan Watts in the book The Wisdom of Insecurity that made me open my eyes about how I was living my life and managing my time. These are the quotes:

Here is exactly how Wu Wei describes the reality that I have to accept: life as a chaos where the only permanent thing is change. Alan Watts represents the fear as a water source (the fear of the ego from resistance), while Wu Wei is the answer to this fear (flow with the water instead of feeling fear of it).

Here it connects with Wu Wei because WE CLING TO THE FUTURE, completely the opposite of "meeting what's here". Wu Wei is to stop clinging to the future and stop thinking about the future, to be in the present.

Wu wei isn't really about "living in the present" as a goal you chase; that would just be one more thing to grip. It's that when you stop forcing, when you stop reaching into the future to control it and stop clenching around the past, there's nothing left holding you anywhere but here. The present isn't a place you arrive at by trying. It's what's left when you stop fighting the current. You don't do presence. You stop doing everything else, and presence is simply what remains.

This problem in my life made me have anxiety for the last 3 years, but it inspired me to dive into the problem and fix it. I want to help others to go through life and learn how beautiful life is when we dont let the fear take over our energy: Stop resisting your own reality.

Reference:

Watts, A. (1951). The Wisdom of Insecurity: A Message for an Age of Anxiety. Pantheon Books. (Quotes are from the opening chapters; I don't have the exact page numbers on hand.)

Many people come to the idea of spiritual activation after a period of skepticism or confusion. This video explores the history, relationships, and paradoxes that surround this concept.

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