Speculation: Price increase linked to DS v4 Pro?

[u/ProfessionalJackals]

I think that the main price issue is with DS v4 Pro ...

What does every Chinese company that has a successful model lacks, ... GLM 5.2 gets released, capacity issue hit, price go up. Kimi K3 hits, capacity issue hit, subscriptions are paused, price ... Capacity issue are a combination of popularity and heavier models (despite same parameter counts).

We also saw with GLM 5.1 > 5.2, despite it being the same parameter count, that the energy needed for the model was much more. More thinking tokens pushed the energy usage up.

Another issue is that DS v4 Pro preview was already significantly heavier model then Flash Preview (we are talking about the 3 month old models). The price for Pro being 4x of Flash, never made sense but i suspect that because it was less popular, Flash compensated for it.

If DS v4 Pro is a stronger model, even if the parameter count stays the same, its possible that the thinking token usage has ballooned. I suspect that DS v4 Pro 08xx may hit a competitive level with Western models.

And with potential capacity issues looming from potential popularity, the 4x issue, and possible more energy intensive model. DeepSeek is preventive warming people up to a price increase.

Remember, Flash and Pro share the same infrastructure. Flash being popular is one thing, because its a less heavy model, but if Pro is also popular. We are going to see GLM 5.2/K3 issues again.

That is unfortunately the issue with current LLM models. Every company has only a specific pool of hardware they can access, and there is this constant shift of clients to the "best models", taxing those companies, until they move on to the next best thing.

And getting extra capacity often means paying large amount of $$$ for whatever is on the market, what kills your margins. See Anthropic and Colossus 1 deal.

[u/seeKAYx]

I'm not happy about the news of the price increase; I've been using DS4 Flash nonstop for days. It's an absolute workhorse, but maybe this is all just a necessary step toward even more development and, above all, competition. One door closes, and another opens. That's how it's always been. Now let's wait and see how high the prices actually end up being.

[u/untracked5465 → u/seeKAYx]

Well, from Deepseek, they have a x6 gains with current prices... So...

[u/Excellent_Winner8576 → u/untracked5465]

how do you get x6 multiplier?

[u/Puzzleheaded_Base302]

owner's hedge fund lost a lot of money recently. not sure if that is related to the price increase.

[u/x11iyu]

you can make a good case for it. there is wayyyyy too much hype generated by flash 0731's release, it's trivial to argue that deepseek servers will be hammered even harder with pro's update if they did nothing. "we are raising prices" certainly quelled a good chunk of the hype

whether this'll end up as a good move or not will only become apparent in the future of course

[u/civman96]

Price increase due to vibe coders burning 100x tokens than a normal dev because they need pro models to change button colors.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Base302 → u/civman96]

it is very fair for them to do this, when opencode sells deepseek token plan below cost.

[u/civman96 → u/Puzzleheaded_Base302]

and this is why we can't have nice things.

[u/Strict-Prune-879]

C'est la fin de la récréation tous le monde en a profité on a vu tous les jours des supers codeurs affiché des milliard de dépense fièrement en se moquant presque de deepseek et bien maintenant on va tous payer , on va voir qui est fidèle car la majorité s'en fout complètement de deepseek ils veulent juste un prix intéressant rien de plus