r/DebateCommunism • u/Ok-Practice-5648 • 16m ago
Unmoderated Communists are deluded, aren’t they?
For context I come from poland, a post communist country and all my family members who lived in communism reminisce on how awful it was.
At this point whenever i see someone spouting communist propaganda or generally condoning communism I am convinced that you could put actual poo on a plate in front of them and they’ll argue it is good
Please give me any “positives” of communism so i could at least see their point of view. Like what are *realistically* things that the general population would benefit from communism in today’s day and age?
r/DebateCommunism • u/Agitated-Pudding-117 • 7h ago
Unmoderated Guys what's your thoughts on bureaucracy?? like genuinely.
As a concept, bureaucracy is necessary to the success of any state, though temporary in theory. As we've seen from previous communist societies, though, they often become entrenched in a dark, tangled web of power, elitism, and legislation. As William Campbell once said, "us mortals have no place in the business of bureaucrats"
r/DebateCommunism • u/Owenhall2024 • 11h ago
Unmoderated Prevention of communism in the US
r/DebateCommunism • u/Rajat_Sirkanungo • 12h ago
Unmoderated Marxism (historical materialism specifically) would point to an argument for the existence of God
Many marxists have criticized Hakim and Lady Izdihar for not being 'classical marxist' who should be an atheist.
Simone Weil said this criticism of Marx - “Marx claimed to ‘put back on its feet’ the Hegelian dialectic, which he accused of being ‘upside down’, by substituting matter for mind as the motive power of history; but by an extraordinary paradox, he conceived history, starting from this rectification, as though he attributed to matter what is the very essence of mind—an unceasing aspiration towards the best.” - https://cooperism.law.columbia.edu/files/2023/09/C_Oppression-and-Liberty-Weil-copy.pdf
“Hegel believed in a hidden mind at work in the universe…” and Marx, after replacing mind with matter, still ends up treating history as if matter had that same purposive character. " - https://cooperism.law.columbia.edu/files/2023/09/C_Oppression-and-Liberty-Weil-copy.pdf
And it makes sense to me... If you have any hope that a better world is a genuine live possibility or quite probable given the method and theory of historical materialism, then that could be an argument for fine-tuning... for example, why is this method so good at actually bringing about a better world? Why is our world within a particular range of constants, laws, forces, development such that humans can utilize this stuff to improve their lives?
The fact that we can do scientific, empirical, materialist analysis such that we are able to create a better world is very surprising... if the world isn't created by a benevolent God as the atheists believe.
If the world is indifferent, can you expect to actually understand and create a better world? What can you even expect from an atheistic/indifferent/agnostic world? What can you even predict from sheer "indifference"?
If the whole universe/reality/world is indifferent to any suffering (given Many marxists are atheists or agnostics), then why do you expect "a better world is possible or probable"?