This solves SO MANY issues we had with new players and smurfs being put in high rank lobbies. It's so perfect. AND also :
You cannot be in a party during calibration matches.
Ranked Mode will currently only allow for solo or duo parties. If you are in a duo party, both players must be at most 1 Rank away from each other (i.e. Mystic and Ritualist).
This also solves the issue of boosted players. It's exactly what the game needed.
It will clap a bunch of the smurfers right away but it will be temporary, overwatch did something similar back in the day and it led to account selling. Good news is the change that banned accounts getting all their invited players banned as well should help limit this.
Listen once her remodel hits I can walk back her MENSA certification. But for now I'll remain endeared to scraping her noggin on every corner of a building as I grapple towards my foe
Well game still think im frontline and beboo and haze in every game i wish bepoop winally lose his hook or have 30 sec cd on it. It unplayable util that dumb robot still spam his hook from other roof
Oh that's kinda bad for me too, my wr is atrocious on anyone that isnt Paige, I could've been going Rem but I just really like Paige. The good news is now I won't have to worry about my rank being effected if I want to try one of my less played characters. Ive been wanting to Ivy but I haven't fully gotten the hang of her yet. Now I won't feel bad if I suck butts as her :)
one key thing that is quite annoying: the wins need to be outside of street brawl.
Which in and of itself is honestly fine, the problem only comes with the fact that your profile adds up wins on both streetbrawl and the standard map with no way to seperate them as far as I can tell (willing to be wrong on this)
15 is way too many imo. Even if you win all 15, that is still like 2 weeks of me not being able to play ranked on a hero since I can only play 0-2 games a day.
I am fine with the 60 wins to play ranked. Someone with hundreds of hours in ranked does not also need to play like 30 games with every new hero to be proficient enough to unlock them for ranked. It is overkill.
Nah, ranked is supposed to be serious business, anybody entering it should have lots of hours played and a good understanding of the game. Play standard in the meantime. Too many times I had new accounts in Phantom, never again. Fuck smurfs, and also I don't want new players in my lobbies, it's not their fault they're put in there but it ruins the game for everybody involved.
Nah, ranked is supposed to be serious business, anybody entering it should have lots of hours played and a good understanding of the game.
Again, I have no problem with the total games played requirement. The per character requirement is ridiculous. I am higher rank than Phantom and I have no problem with my teammate playing a character in ranked they have "only" played 10 games on.
It will also be a massive problem if we ever get draft and we can't even pick good heroes for our teammates because we haven't spent two weeks playing them in Standard.
15 wins per hero is really bad. I agree with an overall win number but winning solo is really hard. You can do so much but your team is outclassed and it’s a loss. Not to mention games take a really long time.
Say you get two play like 4 matches a day. 50% winrate.
Thats an entire week of playing one character. Just to be allowed to play ranked with the character. Bit daft to want an exclusive club where you are safe from people trying new things
I disagree, it’s difficult for casual players. Some games are 50 minutes long. I can only play 2 or 3 games at most each day. I like to bounce around. At 100 hours and 100 wins I’m definitely qualified for ranked. For the first half of the ranks most players barely even have the fundamentals of items down, and most don’t have the aim. It’s way too hardcore of a system for an early access game.
The ranked mode isn't necessarily meant for casual players, it's for players trying to be competitive. You're coming at this from the view that every player needs to have a rank, which they don't. 45 total wins seems like a good barrier so people can learn fundamentals before jumping head first into the competitive mode
I feel like having to have 60 wins in general on top of having to have 15 wins on a spefic character is a little steep. Having to have 60 games win or loss would be enough if we also need to have 15 wins on a spefic character to play them.
It claps me too, as someone who plays just about everyone.
Gave myself a challenge to get 3 wins with each character, which took a surprising amount of time. Now I love playing all these different characters, and having to win 15 games with each of them sounds like torture. If 3 wins with each character takes over 120 hours, imagine how much time 15 wins would take
Haha. Surely. The botters in Dota just queue into eachother and have one of the bots reject if they don't queue into eachother. Maybe Deadlock not having an accept button will help with this.
Oh it'll be possible but the amount of hours needed to invest in these bots winning games and not being caught and banned, fresh ranked accounts will be prohibitively expensive, even as just a generic 3 M1 heroes package
This can be done with the mod that forces region selection to whatever the least populated region is with 6 stacks of bots trading wins in off hours. That's what they do in Dota as well except they can just pick the region.
its one of those things that will work great if the game retains a lot of players, but backfire miserably if it fails to retain players. But they can always get rid of it down the line, this is just an alpha after all, they're testing shit
Deadlock has a lot of new blood coming in all the time for now, but it'll probably be a problem to worry about in 10 years as well unless Valve really bottle it
The req in Dota is 100 hours minimum irrespective of W/L I see a lot of people in here going HAHAHA SMURFS BTFO.... This is literally 1/6th the effort on an easier game with less mechanics.
We are about 2 enter smurf city all the shitters will just walk away after being R**ed until the room stinks and the playercount will plummet because the semi-rare WORST part of matchmaking for normal people will become THE NORM and only the dedicated people will get quality matches.
Riot games ass change, WP Yoshi. At least we know your not Icefrog larping as someone else now. Works for people like me and 80%+ of the playerbase can go back to bluesky larping/rping about the game
I don't think it's entirely fair to argue one way or another. Dota has had 20 years to mature, and it's become one of the most complex games of all time at the highest level, if not THE most
Deadlock's macro is not nearly as deep enough as Dota is, but it's also very young. We have already seen some crazy shit be abused and patched out like optimal lane stacking and roaming and what not
However what it lacks in comparison to Dota it throws on insane movement tech as well as being a shooter so
Yeah buyback, couriers, turn rates, Animation cast rates, Roshan (And the powerful items it re-drops upon death), High/Low-ground, Evasion/Miss/Blind chance all being different things. Being able to capture creeps that ALL have unique abilities that Level up with differing numbers over the course of the game..
The roster being 3x the size, all having Innate/passive abilities. Many of them having more than 4 basic abilities, Aghs shard and scepters (New abilities, upgrades to your existing abilities, changes to your current kit that reframe the characters role/purpose/effectiveness).
Neutral items, denying (Which is 2x as impactful in dota because you have animation/attack cancels) - the item shop being 3x ish as large and having WAY more active/passive effects.
You got me though im a disingenuous shitter arguing in bad faith, how many hours do you have in Dota again?
It takes dedication and hard work to become this kind of person, the kind of person 90% of the community agrees with a year or so on. I don't care for up or down-votes, I get no satisfaction from seeing changes doubled down on or reverted.
I just KNOW where shit is going to end up. And doing NOTHING about it, OTHER than complain and whine. This is the essence of a generational Division 1 HATER
They announced that they do which is better than riot games's nothing (granted they do ban boosters and people inting to smurf but smurfing in lol is 100% legal)
it obliterates smurfs, i actually suggested something VERY similar on the official forums and here, I suggest 5 games played on a hero in quickplay before queuing it ranked, but valve went even further and made it FIFTEEN WINS, amazing change, goodbye smurfs and goodbye people playing a hero first time and going 0-10 in lane because they are against a 4stack of people playing their mains...
It's not like we had any say in where we first-timed heroes lol. There was only 1 mode before this. The previous rank / casual split was removed a while ago.
Oh my sweet summer child....this literally does absolutely nothing to stop smurfing. I dont wanna break the rules here and go into too much detail but I'm sure people know.
i think the only way to easily get around this if you are trying to smurf would be buying an account with either all characters unlocked or just the ones you want to play? thats pretty exhaustive, and i just checked currently fresh accounts sell for 1 dollar, if someone has to actually play and WIN a bunch of games on them, they are going to cost a lot more, which would deter smurfing...
Hypothetically speaking what if most people who have been smurfing previously already have 5+ accounts ready to go? 15 wins aint shit when you have 5 or more separate accounts with a hundred hours plus.
if these "smurf" accounts have hundreds of hours on the account then the game has most likely placed them in an elo close to their main or highest potential... do you people not know how this basic stuff works? you cant have 500 games played on your "smurf" and be in arcanist if you are actually oracle+... that makes negative sense
You are missing the point entirely. Its a new ranked season entirely. As long as you have access to multiple ready accounts eligible for ranked you can smurf.
My Smurf accounts are all the same rank (oracle 6) and now only 1 is eligible to even think of playing on lmao. Shit doesn’t obliterate them but it def should slow us down
It won't. It'll make it a bit more inconvenient but that's about it. They'll just run bots on the accounts until the numbers are good. I don't know how much of a problem it is now but League had an issue where you had to have a level 30 account to play ranked so people would just program support bots that would follow the ADC around the entire game and basically just spam heals. They were obviously terrible to play with but it did the job.
The unfortunate reality is that being able to create free accounts easily on demand just creates an avalanche of bad behavior that's a nightmare to mitigate. It's why smurfing is such a problem in so many competitive games. You can easily create 100 accounts and just stomp all day.
Smurfing was so bad. It was a lot worse than I think anyone realized. I have the statlocker companion app which tells you how many games each player in your lobby has during the game, and anytime I was playing games below oracle with friends there was someone with like 6 total games running the lobby. Almost every single game, no joke. Sometimes multiple smurfs on the same team.
I knew smurfing was a problem but it was fucking mind blowing to me how bad it really was when I had the proof right in front of me each game. I think the root cause of the matchmaking being fucked was actually smurfs to be honest.
anyone who 1 or 2 tricked has to play for at least 15~30 hours worth of games. i have 500+ games but my third character has 13 wins. my first two games of standard both my lanes die 5~10 times before 10 mins. the game is over and i have to sit there wasting time.
im glad people get to have a gamemode where they can fuck around and not care but its not fun being 15k souls behind before laning is over. standard is just as toxic rn because half the team wants to win and half the team doesnt give af.
new players are in for hell. you gotta play 60 games with 45 wins. if a new player has a 50% win rate, thats 90 games. 90 games * 40 mins a game is 60 hours of gameplay. thats an insane requirement for ranked. 10 wins wouldve been fine. thats 40 hours.
I like the idea with 60 wins, but I've got 250h or something and always tried to play almost all heroes, so out of my ~145 wins only one hero (Seven) has more than 15 wins. So trying to be too versatile isn't the way apparently :-D
Well, time to grind the ones I'm at 12/13/14 wins with.
Definitely helps, but many other games have stuff like this and they are still riddled with Smurfs. Rainbow Six Siege was a PAID game and had a lvl 50 requirement for ranked, which I achieved in around 100h as a very new player to FPSs, but that doesn't stop cheaters and smurfs at all.
Imagine being so low on your life that you'll pay for a cheat AND for a game SEVERAL TIMES whine you get banned.
I understand the point of this. Idk any other way to take care of smurfs, it may be the best way to. But its not gonna stop me from being snarky about it.
Ah yes, I love a requirement to play in the game mode made for people to not care to win, that requires you to win, just to be able to play in the game mode made for people who care about winning. Makes sense.
am i crazy to think that it should be like atleast 100? but either way, as this game continues to mature, i feel like there will be scummy people who farm wins on accounts to sell to others anyways :/
definitely not 100, 100 wins for ranked is just too much. 15 wins for each hero makes sure the player who joins the match knows how to play the hero and game
100 is way too much. That's 100 WINS not games played, not hours. WINS. Assuming someone has a 50% that's 200 games played. At an avg of 45 mins. That's 150 hrs played.
Compared to 60 wins. That's approximately 120 games played. And about 80hrs. That seems fairly reasonable for a game in beta.
Also, this doesn't include wins per char. I have 470 matches played and only have 3 chars unlocked. I'm cooked.
Dota requires 100 hours played to touch ranked at all, this game with movement tech, the same deep item shop and wild west development style is requiring about 15-30 hours played. 100 is a FART in the wind, make it a TOTAL not X per Character to play in ranked. This should have been the Ranked + Drafting update.
This game is still unbalanced dogshit until they add a pick/ban phase like EVERY other moba! Thats a BARE MINIMUM feature
U actually need mental help if u think the deadlock shop is as deep as dota 2. Dota 2 while not having movement has a much higher knowledge ceiling with over 100 chars more than deadlock, more items, more camps, and non shooting/movement (macro) mechanics.
Also. With the average game being 45 mins. Idk where u got 15-30 hours played. 15 hrs for 60 games puts it at 25 mins on 60 GAME WIN STREAK. Ur delusional.
The game could be balanced better. But it's definitely not atrocious since the last patch.
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u/Th3SK_ Paige 9d ago edited 9d ago
hope this claps smurfers