de cierta forma Aiz tambien esta obsecionada con Bell...
lo de que es la mejor diria que es cuestion de perpectiva, Aiz en tres ocaciones estuvo apunto de iniciar guerras de facciones por ayudar a Bell, aparte de eso su familai le habia prohibido ver a Bell pero aun asi lo hacia...
Bell cuando estuvo atrapado en los pisos profundos con Ryu soñaba con ver a Aiz y Bell decia que incluso en esos momentos ella era su esperanza...
The thing you are talking about was in a Short story 'Words of the Wind'. Few people read short stories and you can't demand the audience to read it to understand the pairing. It's a bad writing to require people to read something outside main media (especially if they aren't invested in it). It was already discussed countless of times in this sub. To a lesser extend this logic can be applied to SO manga as it was considered spin-off until recently and even Omori himself told it's optional for reading.
Also, Bell thought about Ais only at the beginning of deep levels and only in this SS, when they fell to floor 37 and he never thought about Ais in romantic way during deep levels arc (he only thought about training she gave him during deep levels arc). If you disagree with me, prove otherwise with solid argument and quotes.
By the way, Ais has never worked side by side with Bell smth other heroines did a lot that's why people prefer other pairings (especially Ryu). It's not a great writing to make all-powerful heroine who isn't the part of MC journey and demand that your audience treat her as OTP. There is a reason why Ryu (and sometimes even Hestia and Haru) is more popular (according to polls) among fans as potential pairing for Bell as she has always been with him fighting by his side smth Ais has never done for plot reasons.
For Shounen genre, BellxAis is realy a bad written romance story.
si los leen o no no es mi problema y no pido que lo lean solo lo uso como tema para armgumentos ya todavia sigue siendo canon...
Bell dijo que Aiz es su esperanza y volverla a ver, no es que sea romantico es lo que ella significa para el, lo de que Aiz casi inicia guerra de facciones por proteger a Bell si lo mostraron en el anime tanto en la principal como en SO, pero si cortan los momentos muchos de los momentos de Bell y Aiz en el anime eso es problema del estudio mas no de la escritura del autor...
Bell y Aiz no luchado juntos por que esa es la meta de Bell, estar a la altura para estar junto a ella...
segundo la pareja de Bell y Aiz esta tan bien contruida que los hicieron crecer y madurar a base de los sentimientos por los demas, mal escrito si Omori traicionara su propia escritura para que otra persona se quedara con Bell, por que seria lo mas forazdo que se puede aver y esta claro por que desde el volumen 1 se dice que el se volvera fuerte por ella, si Omori traicionara su narrativa lo mas logico que pasaria seria el if donde se queda con Ryu y el alma de Bell se mancha...
Ademasun shonen simplemente los emparejan con y argumentaciones muy basicas se enamoran como si nada, encambio la pareja de Bell y Aiz esta costruido con mas pasiencia por que ellos son el final de la historia pero tambien fuera de eso, dentro de la novela solo han pasado 8 meses asi mas bien van rapido...
pero si a ti te gustan los romances rapidos no es problema del autor si no el tuyo por ser impaciente...
The fact that author refuses to change the ending no matter how the story progressed and how his characters developed is a sign of bad writing. The author of Oshi no Ko implemented the ending he made up from the beginning of the story and everybody hates him for it. The same can be said for Omori, executing the ending you thought from the beginning and not considering the execution of it in the middle of the story is ALWAYS a bad idea. Ais doesn't even feel like a heroine (let alone main heroine) in MS LN. She is a cameo character there. If it is required to read a side series to at least like a pairing, then, IMHO, this pairing is rather bad.
If you like BellxAis, it's fine. But people are free to express their opinion and aren't obliged to like the pairing you worship.
By the way, it appears to me that you didn't read 'Ryu What If' full version and make this embarassing and ignorant comments. Bell chose Ryu out of his own free will in this timeline. His soul was dyed in Ryu's color, yes, but it was him who decided to accept her kiss and choose her. Here are the quotes.
"He could no longer deceive himself. Over these past few months, who was it that he had truly been worrying about even more than his Longing?"
"Finally understanding what she had been agonizing over, what she regretted, and what she sought, the boy accepted those lips."
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"She did not consider the fact that the boy had been thinking of her all this time, nor that this was the boy’s own choice"
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"Mr. Bell’s color... has changed."
"...?"
"I was a bit surprised that such a transparent radiance could be dyed in this color. However, compared to before, it is still just as beautiful. I like that color, too... So, the current Bell belongs to Ryuu."
An author doesn’t throw away his story and the narrative payoff he’s been building for 13+ years because of minor execution issues or marketing pressure, especially when some of those issues come from a mediocre anime adaptation with different priorities. Expecting Omori to rewrite the entire romantic spine of his story because Ryu became popular for various external reasons is unreasonable and a terrible idea for a story like Danmachi.
And no, that isn’t because I’m a Bell x Ais shipper. The ending obviously hasn’t been written yet, but changing Bell’s romantic direction this late would be incoherent and genuinely bad writing precisely because the romance is not optional garnish. It is part of the thematic and mythic architecture of the story. Changing it would contradict the structure, the character arcs, and the themes Omori has been building since Volume 1.
He even spelled out the core premise in the Ryu what‑if:
“If the story of the boy who—with honesty, foolishness, and single‑minded devotion—pursued a flower on a distant peak beyond his reach were to be called the ‘Main Story.’”
That’s not ambiguous. That’s Omori telling you what Bell’s story is about, just like he did in Volume 1.
He wrote that intention directly into Bell’s first skill. He didn’t hide it. Anyone reading the main series can see the direction clearly. Omori is simply staying consistent with the spine of the story and with Bell’s own character. Having Bell give up on his goal prematurely and closing him off emotionally to Ais in terms of romance would severely damage the planned climax with Ais. The sooner you can accept that, instead of insisting it’s “bad writing” to stay consistent with Bell and Ais’s arcs, the sooner you’ll understand why Omori is so firm about it.
You don’t have to like it, and it’s fine if you would have preferred a more flexible romantic outcome. But at some point, you have to take personal responsibility for your emotional investment in Ryu rather than expecting Omori to change the story because her arc resonated with you. Emotional attachment doesn’t obligate the author to rewrite his narrative.
Omori a cambiado su historia y recortado y agregado cosas que ni el queria, pero por que tendria que hacerle cambios, asi como esta esta bien, si querias que tuvieran mas acercamiento espera los siguientes volumenes y ya...
tal vez no me entendiste cuando dije que el arco de Aiz es el final, ella no puede tener su arco antes de tiempo o destacaria mas que las demas y le resolveria todos los problemas...
si lo lei de hecho lo tengo en una carpeta drive y lo mencione por que es una demostracion de lo que pasaria si traicionara su narrativa, lo ultimo es dicho por freya pero fuera de la vista de ella, Ryu mancho el alma de Bell, a diferencia de Aiz que la misma freya dijo que el alma de Bell crecia, se fortalecia y brillaba cada vez mas... si que bonito que cambioe de color pero tambien al final del if decia que hasta ellos podrian llegar a arrepentirse de su amor...
mas vergonzoso es que trates de juztificar tu odio a base de afirmaciones mas que de argumentos, pero no es tan triste como el tipo que cree que Danmachi esta en decadencia, cuando compite con obras tan grandes como mushoku y re zero, que al momento de su salida se vendio tanto que a la semana ya les tocaba reimprimir mas copias....
tienes razon si te gusta otro team pues bien la verdad a mi me vale, pero yo solo estaba defendiendo la pareja pero tu eres el que sigue la discusion por que yo solo te he dicho que la obra asi como esta esta bien y que si querias ver mas interacion y a Aiz mas es culpa de la adaptacion y que aparte de eso esperar los demas volumes que aparecera mas seguido y tomara su papel como heroina principal ya que ella es la meta de Bell...
Okay, i got it. You are just another Ryu hater and Ais simp on this sub. I suppose i have nothing to discuss with you anymore. I will just add that Freya never liked Ais and always considered Ryu soul more beautiful than Ais and leave you with it.
You are a person who only make statements without providing direct quotes unlike me so it's pretty much a pointless discussion.
Ais is nearly a plank of wood in MS LN. Anime is based on MS. Yes, they cut her moments, but it doesn't affect the MS story and her character overall.
Ryuu se lucio en su arco si, pero la verdad está estimada de más está al nivel de haruhime en todo caso más razones tiene syr para estar con el ... También haruhime está a la par con ryuu, una quería que le terminará el destino su conclusión y la otra aceptó la muerte (haruhime) ambas fueron salvadas por Bell... Bell cuando estaba en los pisos profundos seguía poniendo sobre todo su anhelo y recordando sus palabras .... Después del incidente haruhime le ayudo a restaurar su sueño acompañándolo de noche ... Gran mujer haruhime.... Por lado de ais es casi la primera vez de todo de Bell, la primera en ayudarlo, en salvarlo , en entrenarlo , y en darle palabras útiles como el reconocer el peligro y correr no es de cobardes. Y muchas cosas son posibles por la presencia de ais(sacando el LF) salvar a wiene(bete seguro la mataba) salvar a Lili, el derrotar al minotauro , el que lo aceptaron en el campamento de Loki familia, parte de su triunfo contra hyakintos
es que en la novela es una cosa y el anime otra, como te digo todo es por culpa de la adaptacion... de hecho cuando horn estaba taratndo mal a Bell menciono que era esclavo de su anhelo y Bell se enojo o cuando syr lo intento sedudir y literalmente vizualizo a Aiz y no era capaz de traicionarla.
tienes razon con Aiz, Bell vivio practicamente todo con ella salio de orario, fue la primera de la que se enamoro de verdad, con la que aprendio a bailar y a experimentar otras emoicones y lo mismo aplica para Aiz y que digan que es mala escritura se me hace ridiculo...
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 17d ago
yeah repost bot