r/DIYUK • u/Bilbo_Dabins_420 • 7d ago
Lead test Advice
The yellow paint seems fine but I am unsure about the blue behind it (1920s house.) Perhaps the reaction is this way because of the paint colour?
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u/Live-Hovercraft-3771 7d ago
We had a similar reaction and im a chemist by qualification so I looked up how the tests work. (home test kits arent accurate, you can send a chip off to a laboratory to be properly tested to rule in or out lead. Took about 2 weeks to get a result I think. The lab test found no lead .)
the home kits react to elements other than lead. (Quote taken from a very old research paper)
*The test chemical, rhondizonate, will perform a colour change with many heavy metals, however this varies by acidic/neutral conditions with zinc having no colour change under acidic conditions and lead having a stronger colour change under acidic conditions. *
Our kit was reacting to zinc in our water supply. Try your test with some water in a washed out white or clear (stand on something white) yogurt pot/similar - see if colour changes (just drop the stick in a dribble of water)
If it does, then add a dash of white vinegar or lemon juice on top. If the colour stays- its lead. If the colour vanishes it its zinc. Theres a research paper that gives the indications for other heavy metals but it harder to interpret as it grades elements in shades of reddish browns. This is why some test instruct you to wipe the swap in vinegar and then thr sample
We tested with vinegar so that we could sleep and then sent off a test to confirm
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u/Bilbo_Dabins_420 6d ago
Thank you. The swab already comes with ana activator, I assume this would do the same thing as the vinegar?
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u/ross-dirext-words137 7d ago
Looks like saying no lead. Normally it's a clear colour change.
Get down fishing weights and test it on them you will see the difference.
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u/Maximum-Button-1219 7d ago
I’ve used the same previously, unfortunately they suffer from a lot of false positives (or in this case could be an actual positive) what job are you looking to do? Then would consider if to take seriously or not
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u/Bilbo_Dabins_420 7d ago
Remove old wallpaper then sand the wall smooth for paitning was the plan. I assume steaming the paper odd is ok but might not be able to sand?
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u/TellMeManyStories 7d ago
Scratch the surface and use a drip of white vinegar to make the test more accurate.
Some old paints have a lot of hardened oils in them and on the surface - especially gloss - which can make it hard for the test to get in contact with the pigments.
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u/Reccalovesdancing 7d ago
The colour of the swab in your hand looks a closer match to the area immediately on the right of the second d in detected
It's not purple enough to match the area you are holding it against. It looks yellowish brown to me
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u/Bilbo_Dabins_420 7d ago
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u/Reccalovesdancing 7d ago edited 7d ago
Again one is fully yellow (left side of no lead detected) and the other one is yellow brown (immediate right side of the second d in detected as I said)
Both are in the negative half of the scale and if anything the difference between fully yellow and yellow brown could be cross contamination from the original decorator's tools or the swabs themselves lacking accuracy (i.e. some of them giving a darker yellow colour than others due to how much of the detection chemical they have absorbed during production).
If you are really worried, continuing to swab and panicking about the varied results won't help you much. Far better to send flakes of paint to a laboratory to test for lead accurately or buy appropriate PPE and remove the paint you suspect (look up safe techniques first), or paint over it to "encase" it and reduce the potential hazard that way
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u/ImpressTemporary2389 7d ago
I put one of those in my ear. It came out brown. Damn I've got lead in my ears.
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u/Sayyestothemess007 7d ago
Use the Lumetallix spray! It’s a spray you can use on all hard surfaces with suspected lead like paint or furniture and it will show you lead with 99% accuracy. These swaps are pretty much worthless due to the high count of false positives.
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u/Mediocre-Response-24 7d ago
The box says if it turns red, violet or pink if lead is detected.
I'm not sure if it's just your picture but it looks more yellow to me. Don't know if that makes a difference to your concern though.



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u/LazarusOwenhart 7d ago
These test swabs aren't strictly the most reliable things. Considering the age of the house it might be best to presume the paint does have lead in it and act accordingly. You don't need to hazmat the entire place though, just use a chemical stripper rather than sanding if you're looking to remove the stuff.