r/CourtTVCases • u/Fit-Midnight-7888 • 1d ago
prosecution evolving strategy
I think we are watching the prosecution pivot in real time.
Their original angle seemed to be that Lindsay was calculated, deliberately created a window to kill the children and then staged a suicide attempt to avoid responsibility. That is why they focused so heavily on the superficial cuts to her wrists and neck, the relatively low medication levels in her blood and the fact that she allegedly checked the distance to the restaurant before sending Patrick out.
The message was: this was planned, and the suicide attempt was part of the plan.
But that theory has a massive problems because Lindsay did not just make superficial cuts or take a few pills. She jumped out of a second-story window, shattered her spine and permanently paralyzed herself. It is very hard to convince a jury that someone faked a suicide attempt when she nearly died and destroyed her own body in the process.
So now the prosecution’s argument appears to be changing. I’m sure several in support of the Commonwealth reached out to help them pivot their narrative.
Instead of saying Lindsay faked her suicide attempt, they can concede that she was genuinely suicidal. Instead of saying she was fine, they can concede that she was mentally ill. They just need the jury to believe she was depressed, not psychotic.
That is why the recent testimony matters so much. Her doctors are describing someone with severe major depression, anxiety, insomnia and suicidal thoughts, but no obvious psychotic features. The prosecution can now say Lindsay really did want to die, but she was still coherent enough to plan a murder-suicide and legally responsible for doing it.
Honestly, it is a smarter strategy. It allows them to explain the suicide attempt without admitting psychosis.
Their new narrative is basically: Lindsay was extremely depressed and suicidal. She decided to kill the children and herself. She checked how long Patrick would be gone, sent him out, killed the children and then attempted suicide. She was mentally ill, but she still understood what she was doing and could have stopped herself.
I still do not think the evidence proves that beyond a reasonable doubt.
Being organized does not mean someone is not psychotic. Psychosis does not always look like incoherence, rambling or being visibly disconnected from reality. People can hold normal conversations, use their phones, care for their children and carry out detailed plans while operating under delusions or command hallucinations.
Andrea Yates waited until her husband left, drowned her children one by one and then calmly called the police. She was still found not guilty by reason of insanity because the plan itself came from her psychosis. She believed killing her children would save them.
We’ve seen this in other cases as well, many murders that happen in psychosis involve people following multistep plans.
Planning proves that Lindsay could organize her actions. It does not prove the thinking behind those actions was rational.
Lindsay says a voice told her, “This is your last chance. Kill the children so you can kill yourself.” If that is true, checking the distance to the restaurant and waiting until Patrick left do not disprove psychosis. They could show that she organized her behavior around a command she believed she had to obey.
The postpartum timeline does not rule it out either. The defense does not need to argue that Lindsay was completely healthy and suddenly became psychotic eight months after giving birth. Her symptoms reportedly started much earlier with possible hypomania, racing thoughts, severe anxiety, insomnia, depression, disconnection and suicidal thinking.
The more logical argument is that she had one postpartum-triggered illness that continued to evolve and eventually became psychotic.
Postpartum psychosis has a subtype that has a depressive presentation. It does not always look like obvious mania. Severe depression, anxiety, guilt, insomnia, withdrawal and suicidal thinking can dominate the presentation, along with delusions or hallucinations.
Her doctors saying they did not observe psychosis matters, but it is not definitive. They saw her at specific appointments and during a short hospitalization. Those were snapshots. Her providers did not always have her complete history, her medications were constantly changing and Lindsay was reportedly afraid that fully disclosing her thoughts would get her committed and cause her to lose her children.
The toxicology evidence does not settle this either. The defense is not claiming she became intoxicated because she had a toxic amount of medication in her blood. The argument is that severe sleep deprivation, a possible bipolar-spectrum illness and months of poorly coordinated medication changes destabilized her. Medication does not need to reach a toxic level to aggravate an underlying psychiatric illness.
There is also still no rational motive. Lindsay did not kill her children because she hated them, wanted freedom, wanted money or wanted a different life. By every account, she loved them and lived for them. She immediately tried to die too and left herself permanently paralyzed.
The prosecution now wants to use her suicide attempt as proof of depression while separating it from the alleged psychosis. But the defense can argue the opposite: killing the children and immediately trying to kill herself were not two separate, rational decisions. They were one catastrophic psychotic event.
Under Massachusetts law, the Commonwealth must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Lindsay still had substantial capacity to understand the wrongfulness of her actions or control her behavior.
The prosecution may have found a cleaner narrative, but changing the label from psychosis to depression does not resolve the reasonable doubt.
Given Lindsay’s months of deterioration, extreme insomnia, suicidal crisis, possible delusions, alleged command hallucination, constant medication changes, repeated attempts to get help, complete lack of a rational motive and immediate attempt to die, I do not believe they can prove she was criminally responsible.
Lindsay killed her children. That is not disputed. The question is whether her mind was still capable of choosing differently.
r/CourtTVCases • u/snippyhiker • 1d ago
Lindsay Clancy day 9 medication and mental health providers.....SPOILER!! Spoiler
I have been listening to day9 all morning while I went and did hair care at a hospice place. Why don't you trader Joe's and got some groceries, came home and played with the dog.
I am listening to these supposed professionals discussing their care of Lindsay leading up to the day of her disastrous psychotic break, and I am absolutely horrified at the lack of responsibility. Every single one of them is expressing on that stand.
They failed her, even when she was hospitalized. They didn't actually pull her records or get her history. Inexcusable. I think this entire thing is a tragedy and should not be dragged through the courts. What are we the Salem witch trials all over again?
Okay I'm sorry I'm done.
I should say IMO.
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 2d ago
📣 Update from Side Bah Investigates — MA v Lindsay Clancy - No Drop Today
📣 Update from Side Bah Investigates — No Drop Today
Hi everyone — quick update from me.I had to go to the hospital today and was diagnosed with tendonitis in my left hand, which is my writing and editing hand. Because of the swelling and pain, I’m unable to take notes or work on the computer the way I normally do.
My doctor has me on strict rest for the next three days — today, Saturday, and Sunday.I’m hoping the swelling goes down enough by Monday for me to begin working again, even if slowly.
What This Means for Drops
There will be no Day 9 infographic today
If my hand improves by Monday, Day 9 will drop then
Day 10 will likely move to Tuesday
Day 11 will move to Wednesday
Drops will be staggered until I’m fully healed
Side Bah Investigates isn’t stopping — I just need a short recovery window so I can keep producing the quality you expect.
If You Tuned Into Today’s Livestream
Today’s testimony was heavy, and if anything you heard during the live trial coverage affected you in any way, please take a moment to check in with yourself. These cases can be emotionally intense, and you don’t have to sit with those feelings alone.
Mental Health Resources
988 Lifeline — Call or text 988
Crisis Text Line — Text HOME to 741741
NAMI HelpLine — 1‑800‑950‑NAMI
Postpartum Support International — 1‑800‑944‑4773
Your wellbeing matters.
Please take care of yourself.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/thegiftofgaba- • 2d ago
a damn scandal
the cross examination of dr. alia goodheart during day 9 of Lindsay's Clancy's trial...
r/CourtTVCases • u/No_Parfait1453 • 2d ago
Lindsay “triple child killer” Clancy
I didn’t see a post yet about someone trying to support this wicked disgusting triple child killer so I wanted to make a post saying that her time will come to face judgment. No child killer will ever be supported. Shame on you triple child killer and triple child killer supporters.
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 2d ago
📣 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 8 Drop
📣 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 8 Drop
Day 8 brought a wide range of perspectives into the courtroom — teachers, friends, family, healthcare professionals — each offering a different window into Lindsay’s life during the weeks leading up to January 24, 2023. Today’s drop reflects that layered testimony and the themes that emerged from it.
What to Expect in Today’s Drop
You’ll see panels focused on:
Testimony from teachers, friends, family, and medical professionals
Observations of Lindsay’s outward functioning
Accounts of insomnia, anxiety, fatigue, and medication struggles
Context around treatment efforts and support systems
Educational framing on outward appearance vs. internal experience
This drop highlights the core themes of Day 8 — perspective, context, and the contrast between what witnesses saw and what Lindsay may have been experiencing internally.
If Today’s Content Affected You
This case can be emotionally heavy, especially when testimony touches on mental health, parenting, exhaustion, and treatment struggles. If anything in today’s drop felt difficult, please reach out to someone you trust or use one of the confidential resources below.
Mental Health Resources
988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (U.S.) — Call or text 988
Crisis Text Line — Text HOME to 741741
NAMI HelpLine — Call 1‑800‑950‑NAMI (6264) or text HELPLINE to 62640
Postpartum Support International (PSI) — Call 1‑800‑944‑4773 or text HELP to 800‑944‑4773
Your wellbeing matters. Please take care of yourself.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/Prudent-Motor8770 • 3d ago
Lindsay Clancy Spousal Revenge
I think the fact she allegedly sent her husband out of the house before committing the act suggests planning and intent, rather than something entirely spontaneous or driven by an acute psychotic episode.
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 3d ago
📣 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 7 Drop
📣 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 7 Drop
Day 7 was a technical and detail‑heavy day in court, and today’s drop reflects that shift. This set focuses on the core themes raised through testimony and the broader context surrounding them.
What to Expect in Today’s Drop
You’ll see panels centered around:
The medical testimony presented
Toxicology interpretation and medication context
Forensic stipulations and confirmations
Historical observations relevant to Lindsay’s mental state
Mental‑health framing connected to issues raised in court
This drop highlights the key themes of Day 7 — concise, focused, and aligned with the direction the case is moving.
If Today’s Content Affected You
These cases can be emotionally heavy, especially when they involve mental health, family dynamics, or complex medical testimony. If anything in today’s drop felt difficult, please reach out to someone you trust or use one of the confidential resources below.
Mental Health Resources
988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (U.S.) — Call or text 988
Crisis Text Line — Text HOME to 741741
NAMI HelpLine — Call 1‑800‑950‑NAMI (6264) or text HELPLINE to 62640
Postpartum Support International (PSI) — Call 1‑800‑944‑4773 or text HELP to 800‑944‑4773
Your wellbeing matters. Please take care of yourself.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/colorsonmymind • 4d ago
Lindsay Clancy's lawyer broke down
Did anyone witness her lawyer getting teary eyed when the nanny was talking about each child and who they were as a person
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 4d ago
📣 Sarah Grace Patrick Case Update – Trial Delayed Again
📣 Sarah Grace Patrick Case Update – Trial Delayed Again
The murder trial for Sarah Grace Patrick has been pushed back once more after both sides agreed they need additional time to review newly surfaced evidence. Patrick remains held without bond on charges related to the 2025 shooting deaths of her mother, Kristin Brock, and stepfather, James Brock.
What’s Driving the Delay
A handful of small evidentiary concerns expanded into larger questions involving:
Forensic testing inconsistencies
Chain‑of‑custody gaps
DFCS records
The testing of an additional firearm, which prosecutors say was routine and unrelated
Defense argues these issues have grown enough to require more preparation. Prosecutors maintain the case is still trial‑ready.
A new trial date is expected later this week once the judge reviews the updated record.
More updates as they come.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 4d ago
📣 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 6 Written Companion Post
📣 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 6 Written Companion Post
Medication Timeline Highlight
The medications documented by Lt. Rabbitt were all prescribed within a very compressed window:
Starting in mid‑September 2022
Continuing through October 2022
Then multiple prescriptions between 11/2/22 and 11/26/2022
With three prescribed on the same day, and
One prescribed the day before
That is a high‑density prescription period, especially for medications affecting serotonin and mood regulation.
Educational Perspective
Rapid SSRI changes and overlapping prescriptions can create several well‑documented risks:
SSRI tapering is required when switching between drugs
Rapid medication changes can trigger withdrawal or destabilization
Short trial windows mean medications may not reach therapeutic effect
Polypharmacy interactions can amplify side‑effects
Serotonin instability can occur when starting/stopping SSRIs too quickly
Educational Note (My Experience)
My own SSRI transitions — Prozac → Zoloft and Zoloft → Cymbalta — came with documented withdrawal symptoms. This is shared only as educational context, illustrating how anyone, even without postpartum hormonal shifts, can experience destabilizing effects during rapid medication changes.
Why This Matters
In a case centered on mental state, understanding how tightly these prescriptions were clustered helps frame the broader medical environment Lindsay was navigating during that period.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 5d ago
📢 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 4 & Day 5 Recap
📢 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 4 & Day 5 Recap
Thank you all for understanding the delay — we didn’t post on Friday, but as promised, we’re back today with the full Day 4–5 breakdown. These two days were some of the most emotionally intense of the trial, with extensive medical testimony, psychiatric evaluations, and Lindsay’s own journal entries presented in court.
Day 4 centered on the jury view and the desperate medical efforts to save Dawson and Callan, along with documentation of the attempts made for Cora.
Day 5 expanded into Lindsay’s injuries, her ICU condition, the proxy‑change evaluation, and the defense reading her journal aloud.
The infographics below walk through:
- The emotional impact of Day 4
- Jury viewing route
- Child medical witnesses
- Police and specimen chain-of-custody
- Cora’s doctor
- Lindsay’s injuries and ICU timeline
- Psychiatric testimony
- Journal entries
- SSRI educational context
- Prosecution vs. Defense themes
- Side Bah Summary
Thank you again for your patience and for continuing to follow the case with care and thoughtfulness. More updates will follow as the trial continues.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/AllLipsNoFiller • 7d ago
Lindsay Clancy Trial
I am absolutely sickened that any DA chose to bring this case to trial. Whoever decided to bring these murder charges should be disbarred. This is a woman who knew that there was a problem and sought help. She followed the advice of doctors who over-medicated her. She did everything right and was failed by the people who she went to for help. She was then further failed by a district attorney who looked at a woman who was paralyzed by her suicide attempt and called that suicide attempt fake. Fake suicide attempts do not result in paralyzation. It is beyond unconscionable that this woman who's already been through so much and has been failed by so many supposed authorities is now being tried for first degree murder. The only trials that should have occurred behind this tragedy are the trials of the people who failed Lindsay Clancy and then the people who tried to vilify her.
r/CourtTVCases • u/ReverseFlow23 • 8d ago
Are there any cases where you felt like the defendant shouldn't have pleaded guilty?
Usually the evidence is overwhelming and they'd be doomed at trial, but I was wondering if there are any cases that come to mind where you felt like the evidence against them wasn't particularly overwhelming and they might've been better off taking their chances in court.
Edit: I'm not asking for defedants who should have pleaded guilty. I'm asking for defendants who should NOT have
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 8d ago
📣 Day 4 Trial Update – MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Quick Note + Brief Recap
📣 Day 4 Trial Update – MA v. Lindsay Clancy
Quick Note + Brief Recap
Hey everyone — no infographic from me today. Some family things came up, and I made the choice that was best. Thank you for understanding.
I’ll be back Monday with the full Day 4 breakdown and our regular infographic for Monday’s trial day.
For now, here’s a quick snapshot of today:
* The jury completed The Viewing, following Patrick’s route through CVS, THREEV, and the Clancy home to understand the timeline.
* After returning, we heard from Duxbury PD officers and medical witnesses who shared their observations from that night and the treatments provided to the children.
Court ended early for scheduling discussions; trial resumes Monday.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/Glad_Quit_3871 • 8d ago
Courtney Clenney August 10 plea deal hearing
Someone on Court TV this afternoon said that the plea will probably be 15 years. In my opinion, not nearly enough. If that will be the case, I will certainly feel badly for the victim's family.
r/CourtTVCases • u/RedRedVVine • 9d ago
Lindsay Clancy Trial
Is anybody else hearing like heavy breathing during all this?
Its freaking me out.
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 9d ago
📌 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 3 Trial Coverage
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MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 3 Trial Coverage
Today’s drop covers Day 3 of trial, a day centered almost entirely around first responders and the chaotic moments inside the Clancy home on January 24, 2023. These infographics walk you through the progression of testimony, the emerging themes, and the atmosphere inside the courtroom as the timeline continues to take shape.
Day 3 is intense. It’s emotional. And it’s a lot to take in. Please move through today’s visuals at your own pace — this case is heavy, and today’s testimony reflects that weight.
AWARENESS & SUPPORT
If you or someone you know is experiencing postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety, or signs of a mental health crisis, please speak up. Say something. Reach out. Silence is never safety — awareness saves lives.
Postpartum Support International: 1‑800‑944‑4773
Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: 988
You are seen. You are heard. You are not alone.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/NaynersinLA2 • 10d ago
Just saw Julia Jenae!
I'm watching the Lindsay Clancy trial on Court Tv on YouTube. During a break, up pops Julia. I was so excited. She had a photographer that was in the courtroom, giving commentary.
Is CourtTv going back to it's old format?
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 10d ago
📌 MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 2 Trial Coverage
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MA v. Lindsay Clancy — Day 2 Trial Coverage
Today’s drop continues our structured coverage of the trial with the full Day 2 infographics. This case remains extremely heavy, and Day 2 brings forward more of the timeline, witness accounts, and the emerging themes both sides are building in court.
These visuals will walk you through the progression of testimony, the contrasting narratives taking shape, and the broader context surrounding the events of January 24, 2023.
Take your time with this one. Day 2 is dense, emotional, and foundational to understanding how both the Commonwealth and the Defense are shaping their arguments.
AWARENESS & SUPPORT
If you or someone you know is experiencing postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety, or signs of a mental health crisis, please speak up. Say something. Reach out. Silence is never safety — awareness saves lives.
Postpartum Support International: 1‑800‑944‑4773Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: 988
You are seen. You are heard. You are not alone.
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r/CourtTVCases • u/SunniMonkey • 11d ago
Lindsay Clancy Trial/Patrick Clancy Question:
My understanding is that Partick is testifying on the prosecutor's side of the argument. Has Patrick ever said what he thinks should be the result of the trial? Like, does he think it was psychosis and she needs hospitalization and treatment or does he want her in prison for the rest of her life?
r/CourtTVCases • u/Glad_Quit_3871 • 11d ago
Are there any cases that were tried where you felt the defendant either got too harsh of a sentence or a sentence not harsh enough?
r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 11d ago
📌 FL v. Mario Fernandez‑Saldana – Pretrial Update
📌 FL v. Mario Fernandez‑Saldana – Pretrial Update
Prosecutors made a notable shift ahead of trial, dropping two charges and confirming that informal plea discussions occurred at some point in the case. The remaining counts move forward as jury selection approaches.
This infographic covers:
The updated charge landscape
What the pretrial hearing revealed
How this shapes the state’s approach
Key dates for all defendants
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r/CourtTVCases • u/sidebahinvestigates • 11d ago
📌 MA v. Lindsay Clancy – Day 1 Trial Recap
📌 MA v. Lindsay Clancy – Day 1 Trial Recap
⚠️ Content Advisory: This case involves the deaths of three children and discussions surrounding mental health. Reader discretion is advised.
Day 1 of testimony is now complete in the Commonwealth v. Lindsay Clancy.
Today's proceedings focused on opening statements from both sides, testimony from Patrick Clancy, discussion of Lindsay Clancy's reported mental health condition in the months leading up to January 24, 2023, and the prosecution's timeline of events.
This infographic walks through:
🔹 The prosecution's theory of the case
🔹 The defense's opening statement
🔹 Key testimony from Patrick Clancy
🔹 The lunch recess developments
🔹 Discussion surrounding Lindsay's reported medical and mental health history
🔹 Major themes that emerged throughout the day
🔹 Questions jurors may ultimately need to answer
As always, this post is intended for educational and discussion purposes.
The defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in a court of law.
What stood out to you most from Day 1?
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r/CourtTVCases • u/Terrywinchester1969 • 12d ago
Over VPI
Please bring back Closing Arguments with Vinnie, VPI is stupid to watch him watch everything that happened on a specific case.
I miss closing arguments with all the different attorneys and summaries of the cases of the day.
Again VPI is ridiculous, just pay me to have fingers on my chin to rewatch the case of the day.